MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Reposting for convenience

FOR REFERENCE

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Vecna has been voted for byGhug.
Ghug has been voted for by Sweetandcool
Brain has been voted for by Macca

None of these have much merit, most likely as jokes

Bona votes kak as a joke. No weight to his decision. Disregard.

Page 4: Ghost Rider HELL YEAH

Brainbomb notes that sweet already has reads.
ND is noted to be less standoffish than usual (according to brain)

Ghug votes sweetandcool as a joke.

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Ghug notes brainboms post that ND is more observant and less assholish. Ghug states that ND may be scum because of this.

Sweetandcool unvotes

Brainbomb accuses macca of being mafia because of macca’s joke vote

ND notes his observant and nonasshole nature

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ND starts a “train” on himself. Votes himself.

Dargoyel votes Vecna

Dargoyel proposes a mass claim of items.

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Bona protects Macca from brainbomb’s claim that Macca is mafia because of a joke vote.

Bona is opposed to massclaim

Darg states that a massclaim may be a viable option

Sweetandcool notes that brainbomb is acting weird

Page 8: Nothing of note

Page 9: Spirit expresses his dislike of the massclaim idea

Brainbomb notes ghug is towny

Brainbomb is called the “meta guy”. Lol

Filler

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Brainbomb is criticized for being “too reliant on meta” by sweetandcool

EDITGATE (dramatic music)

Brainbomb: “darg is one of those players who will try to be personable as town and as scum will be more likely to just latch onto someone to vote for. already hes been more personable than hungry.”

brainbomb notes that Hamilton is coming off a mafia loss. Brain expects hamilton to show signs of being relieved or at ease this game if he were town. Brain declares he has not seen such behavior.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Pages 11-20

FOR REFERENCE

Page 11:
Brainbomb: “also last game when ND was scum he kept referring to sweet as new to make sweet seem inexperienced. he hasnt knocked sweet in the same way but they have sparred so thats a possible pairing to watch. could be maf/maf trying to test the limits and put some new meta down to throw people off”

Will comments on his lack of talking. Will scumreads those who have not talked yet and comments on how he thinks this is not useful to the town.

Will expresses his distaste for a mass claim

Damo votes worcej

Ghug states that he believes that ND will change his meta from the last game.

Ghug point out that Will has not played with anyone before, and that his post on Macca makes no sense

Vecna: “The whole thing surrounding Macca seemed quite interesting. I really dont think Macca brings up a previous scum role PM unless it was actually rerolled. Thatd be pretty ballsy.”

Vecna states the ND has “not observed anything”

Vecna comments on the fact that Sweet already has reads

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Vecna states his appreciation for Spirit, and townreads him

Vecna: “I highly doubt anyone has ever been -that- obviously scummy that they were not called town by a single person.”

Macca apologizes to brainbomb for voting them

Macca expresses interest in a discussion on massclaim

Macca calls Ghug scum

Macca responds to brain and Will’s claims of Macca being mafia :”No”

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Damo comments that 4 players have yet to post at that time

HB: “I like my item”

Macca says she is suspicious of Brainbomb and possibly ghug

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ND says a massclaim isn’t always dumb

ND complements ghug for his take on a massclaim being not smart

ND comments on Spirit’s meta reads on Bona, brain, sweet, and ND, and commends his meta play

ND agrees with Spirit that a massclaim may not work because of lying

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ND states that Will was being hypocritical with his comments about nonposters and that he himself was a limited poster. He notes that Will scumreads nonposters.

ND votes JustAGuyNamedWill

ND notes that Will has not played with anyone, and that brain’s and Will’s meta play may be dumb

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ND comments that he scumreads Macca and Will

ND defends brainbomb from Macca’s potential accusations

ND makes a list of statements:

1. Will is sus followed by macca
2. Massclaim is dumb
3. Meta is non useful for a full daykill

ND says he will punish nonposters

Hamilton Brian defends Will contradictory statements as Will is new. HB says that Will could still be mafia regardless.


VOTE COUNT

brainbomb (1) - Macca573
Kakarroto (1) - Bonatogether
sweetandcool (1) - ghug
Vecna (1) - dargorygel
worcej (1) - damo666
Justaguynamedwill (1) - ND

Sweetandcool defends Will and says that Will probably meant that he was going to vote for a nonposter and EOD.

Brainbomb votes Bona

Sweet agrees with ND’s points about a massclaim and meta, but disagrees with ND’s scumreads of Macca and Will

bozo says he thinks that there are 4 mafia and that we may only have 2 miskills available

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Damo says we should assume there are 4 mafia for safety reasons

ND states Will’s hypocrisy about nonposters and Will’s statement about Macca. He says Will is the best candidate for a D1 vote

Ghug states that he disagrees with some posts of ND’s, but doesn’t specify which other than the “Bona comments”

Sweet expresses that he is impressed with ND’s play. He states that ND shouldn’t read into a new player’s oddities too much

Ghug defends Will’s hypocrisy as very towny

Will states that Macca was not his #1 pick for a day kill, but was instead just on his radar.

Will states that he didn’t mean much by his lack of posting comment, just that he was sorry that he didn’t post

Ghug asks Will who he reads

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Sweet defends will and says that he cant blame ND for suspecting him.

Darg makes some statements:

1. He says a massclaim is unlikely
2. He expects half of us to use our items D1
3. Vecna is town
4. ND is town
5. Ghug is annoying and therefore town

Darg votes sweet

Will likes that ND and Brain are posting a lot.

Will states that his previous comments about meta were insubstantial, as he realized that meta is at play a lot

HB notes that Spirit has been quiet since EDITGATE (dramatic music) this is known as cringegate

Sweet votes Hamilton because of above comment

Hamilton questions dargs comments about ND and Venca

Bona votes hamilton brian

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Rdr makes his first appearance

Hamilton defends cringegate

Ghug votes hamilton brian

Will expresses concern with a day 1 vote

Will confuses “HB” with “ND”

Hamilton responds to will by correcting his mistake and also telling the benefits of a day 1 vote

Hamilton Brian tells Will to look out for those who are too nice or helpful to him

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Bona denies any merit to cringegate

Sweet reprimands Will for his comments on not voting day 1 and that it can help.

HB calls out sweet for “gaslighting”

Ham scolds sweet for his wagon

[bozotheclown]

I haven't read anything since my analysis. I'll try to catch up some if I don't get night killed. Anyway, I did think about end of day some more. It's highly improbable to me that Bozo and Damo are both town. Given their actions its likely that one (if not both) are scum. Assuming the end of day vote was mafia influenced then we need to examine both damo and Bozo hard as they are the principal influencers for eod as noted in analysis.

They along with other suspicious characters like Will need to be pressured more all day if I don't make it through the night.

damo and I were trying to DK someone who was not claiming a town only item. I preferred worcej over Bonatogether, but I did think there was a chance Bonatogether was mafia. While damo could have done that as mafia, I think are better suspects.

[bozotheclown]

thanks damo, thats the right answer i was looking for

This looks like pocketing to me.

[brainbomb]

thanks damo, thats the right answer i was looking for

This looks like pocketing to me.

100%

[ND]

I'll resume maximum pressure questioning after the end of night if I'm around. We will see what happens tonight.

[Vecna]

thanks damo, thats the right answer i was looking for

This looks like pocketing to me.

How do you know damo is town?

This is your 2nd really bad take.

[Vecna]

Like, why not try to read into why I asked the question, or why I mightve been happy with the reply?

[bozotheclown]

thanks damo, thats the right answer i was looking for

This looks like pocketing to me.

How do you know damo is town?

This is your 2nd really bad take.

What was my first one?

I don't know if damo is town, but you seemed to be setting up the opportunity to town read him for providing an acceptable answer to your question.

[bozotheclown]

Like, why not try to read into why I asked the question, or why I mightve been happy with the reply?

I presume the town reason for the question was that you were concerned that damo was trying to pocket you. However, I do not necessarily buy that you were posting about HB without knowing that he had claimed to shoot sweetandcool. Do you really just go back and start reading where you left off without trying to determine any context about the current game state?

[Vecna]

The first one was questioning the GM about his decision to not modkill (Which is a terrible terrible intervention in any mafia game, that should only be reserved for dire circumstances) - and insinuating he would let that decision be influenced by my allignment. It just reeks of a reason to try and base a scumread on, not something that you realistically think would actually be influenced by allignment. The normal punishment is replacement, not to destabalize the game.

Also, were talking about Jamiet here. Everyone here knows his relationship to THE LAW and insinuating bias feels shady. Or just a scum thats grumpy they didnt get their easier victory by needing to survive a day less or w/e.

[ND]

Lol Vecna actually read? lolol

[Vecna]

Like, why not try to read into why I asked the question, or why I mightve been happy with the reply?

I presume the town reason for the question was that you were concerned that damo was trying to pocket you. However, I do not necessarily buy that you were posting about HB without knowing that he had claimed to shoot sweetandcool. Do you really just go back and start reading where you left off without trying to determine any context about the current game state?

Uh yeah, thats the natural cynicism I would expect. My read of HB wasnt a great post whatsoever unless you really do believe that I didnt know he was the shooter.

Hence the need to attack Damo over the read, which I felt was pretty bad without knowing the actual reason.

His reply however was really quick, without a second thought, and showed a better thought proces behind which was a lot better reason to base that statement on he made. So I let him know I liked the reasoning, but also to signal to the thread that I no longer felt his reasoning was bad.

[Vecna]

Lol Vecna actually read? lolol

Its monday, the paycheck is still coming in, and work demos are the most boring thing in the world.

Laugh all you want, but you were producing your silly walls all throughout the weekend.

I prefer my time allotment (well, the missing to vote part was a bit shit, but alas).

[bozotheclown]

The first one was questioning the GM about his decision to not modkill (Which is a terrible terrible intervention in any mafia game, that should only be reserved for dire circumstances) - and insinuating he would let that decision be influenced by my allignment. It just reeks of a reason to try and base a scumread on, not something that you realistically think would actually be influenced by allignment. The normal punishment is replacement, not to destabalize the game.

Also, were talking about Jamiet here. Everyone here knows his relationship to THE LAW and insinuating bias feels shady. Or just a scum thats grumpy they didnt get their easier victory by needing to survive a day less or w/e.

I did not question the GM decision, but a decision had to be made, and I do not think I can be realistically expected to ignore it.

[brainbomb]

yes JamieT who always applies a fair an balanced letter of the law in all mafia games. where a player calling another an incel was totally fine and everyone needs to just calm down, but brainbomb using a +1 on a few posts as a joke (when it used to be illegal) resulted in my modkill.

rohan doesnt forget.

sorry what was the point again?

clearly vecna should never be modkilled and assuming he was spared to help mafia is a piss poor way to scumread him. his total lack of interest in the game is a much better line of accusation

[bozotheclown]

Like, why not try to read into why I asked the question, or why I mightve been happy with the reply?

I presume the town reason for the question was that you were concerned that damo was trying to pocket you. However, I do not necessarily buy that you were posting about HB without knowing that he had claimed to shoot sweetandcool. Do you really just go back and start reading where you left off without trying to determine any context about the current game state?

Uh yeah, thats the natural cynicism I would expect. My read of HB wasnt a great post whatsoever unless you really do believe that I didnt know he was the shooter.

Hence the need to attack Damo over the read, which I felt was pretty bad without knowing the actual reason.

His reply however was really quick, without a second thought, and showed a better thought proces behind which was a lot better reason to base that statement on he made. So I let him know I liked the reasoning, but also to signal to the thread that I no longer felt his reasoning was bad.

Sure, there is a town explanation, but it still could be you trying to pocket damo.

Are you saying you did know HB had claimed to shoot sweetandcool before the posts damo originally commented on?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

yes JamieT who always applies a fair an balanced letter of the law in all mafia games. where a player calling another an incel was totally fine and everyone needs to just calm down, but brainbomb using a +1 on a few posts as a joke (when it used to be illegal) resulted in my modkill.

rohan doesnt forget.

sorry what was the point again?

clearly vecna should never be modkilled and assuming he was spared to help mafia is a piss poor way to scumread him. his total lack of interest in the game is a much better line of accusation

What is a +1?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I'm still in headache land, and looking at a screen for a long time is messing me up, so here are my brief reads based on vibes and not on going back and reading past my first pass.

bozotheclown - Slight town, seems to actively be solving the game or trying. I have liked some things he has said and I think the long term skepticism of HB is warranted.

brainbomb - town until proven otherwise

damo666 - slight scum. He is playing more now, I think him saying there was no scum on Bona is sus because I just think it is unlikely and strange to say. He is my most likely scum on that wagon.

dargorygel - null. I'm not going back to read things rn, but I dont think he actually advocated a mass claim, and he was on the sweet wagon when it expired. I feel like if he was scum he would be intelligent enough to bus other scum and stay on the low down though so I don't wanna town read him yet.

DemonRHK - Null. No idea, haven't formed an opinion and dont remember any of his posts.

Hamilton Brian - Slight town. If he did shoot sweet, that is a pretty major town lean. There is a pretty logical reason to do it if sweet and him were mafia, but it is probabilistically unlikely that they were. So revisit killing him if he survives a long time, he can be town for now.

JustAGuyNamedWill - Town. This is on vibes, but he is a pure and distilled version of all the newbie townies ive seen over the years. ND can go ahead with spinning conspiracy theories and burn some rush records in effigy.

Kakarroto - slight scum. I remember reading several of his posts and feeling like the takes he had were weird at EoD. I will go back and reread to see if I still feel this later on, but I currently have a slight scum feel.

Macca573 - slight scum. Similar to kak, I just recall getting some bad vibes when I read their posts. I will go back to reread them later.

ND - slight town. I think his tunnelling on will is genuine and he is just a tunnelling townie. He is getting lost in the sauce on me and bozo but I guess I should expect this at this point.

rdrivera2005 - null. I liked his reactions to his wagon at the EoD, it was dumb. I want to do a reread and get a greater sense later on, but I am leaning town vibes, but don't really know why, so I'll sit at null for now.

SpiritoftheRadio - obvious town and pretty cool guy

Vecna - slight scum. I am still sus of him due to overly friendly posts at the beginning. I think his recent posts are better but I am unable to process due to the alien devouring my brain.

worcej - slight scum. He went on sweet and left, but would have come back at EoD to change if he needed to. I dont have a lot of data here but none of it has engendered positive feelings. I am always sus of someone who just checks in and town reads me/other people for little reason.

[Vecna]

I presume the town reason for the question was that you were concerned that damo was trying to pocket you. However, I do not necessarily buy that you were posting about HB without knowing that he had claimed to shoot sweetandcool. Do you really just go back and start reading where you left off without trying to determine any context about the current game state?

Uh yeah, thats the natural cynicism I would expect. My read of HB wasnt a great post whatsoever unless you really do believe that I didnt know he was the shooter.

Hence the need to attack Damo over the read, which I felt was pretty bad without knowing the actual reason.

His reply however was really quick, without a second thought, and showed a better thought proces behind which was a lot better reason to base that statement on he made. So I let him know I liked the reasoning, but also to signal to the thread that I no longer felt his reasoning was bad.

Sure, there is a town explanation, but it still could be you trying to pocket damo.

Are you saying you did know HB had claimed to shoot sweetandcool before the posts damo originally commented on?

no I did not, but thats besides the point. I would expect people that do not know my allignment at least to be a bit suspicious over it. (even though im pretty sure I historically do not really ever resort to such gimmicks, but that hardly ever factors into peoples responses).