MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[TheMadMonarch]

If someone else has the cop scan, we should know on D2.

bozo, you're smarter than me. How does this work?

The first part of this comes across as a pocketing attempt, but what I was saying was that if someone else has the cop scan, they would likely use it N1 and report the scan D2.

It could be, but if you remember from our previous games together (a long time ago I know), I always say that about you.

[TheMadMonarch]

I like this idea, but HB claimed the shot 12 minutes before the ghug shot was announced, I think HB would have waited to make sure ghug did not counter-claim him.

I thought about this too, but ghug hadn't posted for 6 minutes beforehand (I thought it was longer than that but oh well)

Does anyone remember if ghug is a name shower or a anonymous guest type person?

That could give HB enough time.


Also consider HB gave the order, than had to post before the second shot to remove suspicion, and the 12 minutes is just Jamie.




Maybe I'm going crazy

It is possible HB claimed the shot on sweetandcool after ordering a shot on ghug, taking the chance ghug was not around, but it does not seem very likely.
I think that would be more impressive than HB shooting sweetandcool himself as mafia.

Why?

[TheMadMonarch]

Jamie, you seem to be the only one online. Do you want to talk to me? Who do you scumread right now?

[damo666]

Notes to self but made public for critique:

Bozo: possibly shot ghug to frame me?; voted Bona; overall town feel; NULL for now
brain: uncc'd pr item claim; assume TOWN
darg: voted scumsweet; promoted item massclaim which seems more likely to be a trap for scum than an outright scum attempt; lean TOWN
DemonRHK: insufficient data; NULL
Ham: uncc'd sweet kill claim; assume TOWN
Will: votes all over the shop (incl sweet and Bona); noob; subject of ND tunnel; lean TOWN
Kak: bit quiet; stuck on darg all day; NULL
Macca: wierdly stuck on brain after his claim; full of mad tinfoilness; could be acting naively as scum?; NULL
ND: tunnelled on Will; putting in too much effort (albeit misguided) to be scum?; lean TOWN
rdr: insufficient data; NULL
Spi: new to me, seems to know what they're doing; on Bona all day; nothing standout; NULL
Vecna: insufficient data; NULL
worcej: voted sweet - astute or bus?; weirdly voted brain; quiet; NULL at best

Conclusion: (rather large) scumpool: Bozo, Demon, Kak, Macca, rdr, Spi, Vec, wor

Observation: considering size of scumpool I suspect 3 remaining scum

[Vecna]

I yet have quite a lot to read, but I do feel that the people that are actually still harping on about Will potentially being scum could do with some scrutiny.

[Vecna]

also the "strongest" read on day 1 doesnt mean much, but the ND x Will argument reeks of town infighting to me. I am less sure of HB

Town always does this; it was grossly apparent last game. So here we have ND vs Will, and Sweet vs HB.

I know that I have to stop getting into explaining myself to Sweet because it then becomes the noise that lets mafia coast under and wait it all out.

This post is actually very important I feel.

The second sentence.

HB says that him explaining himself to sweet is becoming the noise that lets the mafia coast - aka he really feels that he's being a distraction by talking to sweet.

I dont think HB ever says this as scum.

"oh yeah, me talking to my scum teammate is causing a distraction that lets the scum fly under the radar".

You just cannot make that shit up as scum.

Strong townlean on HB just for that stuff.

[Vecna]

@ kak
Your vote seems random and maybe even spurious.
Admittedly, you are not pushing the wagon, but 'darg didn't do any amazing things the first few hours' is ridiculous. Who did in the first few hours?

This is a plop vote, buddy.

Find a better place.

I am staying on sweet. It has to do with that business about brain's meta analysis. Part of it is that sweet jumped on brain about it, but also wrote, in effect, that he didn't mind it so much. I think he was trying to pull votes (now or later) onto brain, setting up a misskill.

It IS a tinfoil hat. But tinfoil hat is my costume this Hallowe'en.

This is also some pretty substantial reasoning on why sweet was no bueno.

Pretty hard committal to being suspicious, not the typical maybe-bus behaviour.

[Vecna]

I am still some pages behind but decided to drop some thoughts now that I have some time.

I have townleans on Kak and Spirit. Kak is a tone thing and Spirit look legit hunting, I like his posts. I think I can add Macca here too. They look town

I don't like the Sweet wagon, can't see any real reason to vote him and Darg is on my suspect list (sorry Darg, but I can't follow your logic).

HB could be scum here, his posts just look too fluffy at some points.

The others I just don't have any impressions worth of mentioning.

It would be pretty uncharacteristic for Rdr to hard-protect his teammate at this early stage as well.

[Vecna]

sweet is pretty clearly not mafia. he always looks scummy because of his weirdness and gaffes.

it however is quite characteristic for brainbomb to protect teammates.

I also notice that just before this post, sweet gives a very vague lackluster read on brainbomb.

Potential connection here.

[dargorygel]

Early morning concerns about jumping to conclusion about ghug's murder.

The result of ghug being town does NOT mean the murderer was scum.

Some are assuming scumkill, because ghug was town.

But why would scum use an ax that close to EoD… perhaps they feared losing their ax, but the most likely way that would happen was being axed themselves. Which the timing says otherwise. Other things happen at night, end of night… I think smart scum would wait until night. Nothing gained by an early un-discussed death of ghug.

So… maybe simply over-eager scum, yes. Ghug is often fear-killed, and someone might have just gotten antsy. Maybe something ghuggles uttered. I assume scum is not stupid enough to simply say, “ghug is suspecting me, I need to kill him NOW” and leave that obvious train of evidence. And ghug did not seem to say anything that provocative...?

Could be inexperienced scum…

Or the ghug-axer could be a townie, enthused by the success of the first axing, saying, “I will hit my likely scum candidate, too!”

And that axe-wielding townie hasn’t admitted it.

Who likes to be mocked, derided, criticized, maligned, and thought-less-of?

I could see myself tempted to do this… but I wouldn’t.

Whether town or independent scum, only from a read of conversations with or about ghug, I could see ND, brain, or perhaps macca pulling the trigger on the ax. (Yay mixed metaphor)

[TheMadMonarch]

Early morning concerns about jumping to conclusion about ghug's murder.

The result of ghug being town does NOT mean the murderer was scum.

Some are assuming scumkill, because ghug was town.

But why would scum use an ax that close to EoD… perhaps they feared losing their ax, but the most likely way that would happen was being axed themselves. Which the timing says otherwise. Other things happen at night, end of night… I think smart scum would wait until night. Nothing gained by an early un-discussed death of ghug.

So… maybe simply over-eager scum, yes. Ghug is often fear-killed, and someone might have just gotten antsy. Maybe something ghuggles uttered. I assume scum is not stupid enough to simply say, “ghug is suspecting me, I need to kill him NOW” and leave that obvious train of evidence. And ghug did not seem to say anything that provocative...?

Could be inexperienced scum…

Or the ghug-axer could be a townie, enthused by the success of the first axing, saying, “I will hit my likely scum candidate, too!”

And that axe-wielding townie hasn’t admitted it.

Who likes to be mocked, derided, criticized, maligned, and thought-less-of?

I could see myself tempted to do this… but I wouldn’t.

Whether town or independent scum, only from a read of conversations with or about ghug, I could see ND, brain, or perhaps macca pulling the trigger on the ax. (Yay mixed metaphor)

I appreciate that you think I'm capable of this, but I'm not that much of a changed woman. I'd always seek guidance, even if I try to be subtle about it.

[dargorygel]

Early morning concerns about jumping to conclusion about ghug's murder.

The result of ghug being town does NOT mean the murderer was scum.

Some are assuming scumkill, because ghug was town.

But why would scum use an ax that close to EoD… perhaps they feared losing their ax, but the most likely way that would happen was being axed themselves. Which the timing says otherwise. Other things happen at night, end of night… I think smart scum would wait until night. Nothing gained by an early un-discussed death of ghug.

So… maybe simply over-eager scum, yes. Ghug is often fear-killed, and someone might have just gotten antsy. Maybe something ghuggles uttered. I assume scum is not stupid enough to simply say, “ghug is suspecting me, I need to kill him NOW” and leave that obvious train of evidence. And ghug did not seem to say anything that provocative...?

Could be inexperienced scum…

Or the ghug-axer could be a townie, enthused by the success of the first axing, saying, “I will hit my likely scum candidate, too!”

And that axe-wielding townie hasn’t admitted it.

Who likes to be mocked, derided, criticized, maligned, and thought-less-of?

I could see myself tempted to do this… but I wouldn’t.

Whether town or independent scum, only from a read of conversations with or about ghug, I could see ND, brain, or perhaps macca pulling the trigger on the ax. (Yay mixed metaphor)

I appreciate that you think I'm capable of this, but I'm not that much of a changed woman. I'd always seek guidance, even if I try to be subtle about it.

Well, your name is listed as 'even macca.' I only listed the three names because you three had interaction with ghug that MIGHT lead to a kill.

I am not sure I even believe my own tinfoil hat here... It only concerns me that we jumped to the 'scum' conclusion without discussion.

[brainbomb]

Sorting the unsortables via post count comparisons:

Demon RHK: 8 posts day 1

I need to go to my neighbors’ sister-in-laws’ nieces’ Quinceanera so leave me alone

Unnecessarily rude

Well no crap, it’s me.

But seriously, kak wanting the open box of dog poo over the mystery back then immediately hedging is so lazy. Like he couldn’t be bothered to hunt for three reads

DemonRHK M40 (when he was a mafia goon)
13 posts day 1

I read Yavu as scum on a tonal scumslip. The inclusive we, coupled with he’s now omgus’d me twice is suspicious as shit. But everyone wants to give him a pass on it. The guy that just pulled this same shit AS SCUM in M39. He has also made zero cases. He’s voted Jamie for the meta bullshit with the GMs and me for voting him.

Then I read thd as scum for saying “Ya rly like I’ve never been scum, but if I was, this is totally how’d they play in my opinion but I’m 100% town not scum never nub-uh”

Szpot still on no lynch? Really?

##Unvote for a short bit so I can get as cohearant a post a possible on mobile.

Conclusions: while RHK volume is a match for his D1 scum game, the content of his posts is more straightforward here. So I think RHK maybe just posts low amounts as both alignments.

[brainbomb]

Sorting the unsortables II

Vecna
8 posts in current game.
Spotlight on:

@Brain I dont know what s&c, and if that makes me a failure in your eyes, I understand. I do want to give myself a pat on the back for reading your dad energy correctly despite not knowing you were going to be one soon in the slightest, congrats tho!!

@ND Fruit cups are delicious dude

@Bonta I'm a guy who played this game here years ago and have foggy memories of the people here which mostly amount to BB is a bit out there and ND is entertainingly mean. Also ghug is here, as he is and has been before! Besides that I am just some guy, sometimes I play good, most times I fuck something up pretty badly.

@sweet I also kind of want ND to step on me, but maybe things have changed and we have to pay for that kind of thing now. We will see what happens I suppose, but I feel ya

In other news, I had a nap and while quoting on a level that was necessary to respond to you all is currently beyond my power level, I promise to figure it out later on <3

I like this guy, and this is probably town

Compare to M40
63 posts day 1 (as town)

Doesn't seem like Jamie to quit like that over something so small, he's always the one that wants to get the next game going

I like this post. Feels very much like a town post. There appears to be no scum motivation whatsoever in wondering if there was some ulterior motive here.

Conclusion:
Vecna volume has changed to apathy since his gold era. but the posting style remains the same. THis could be a mafia here based on the massive volume shifts from his town meta.

[dargorygel]

Sorting the unsortables II

Vecna
8 posts in current game.
Spotlight on:

@Brain I dont know what s&c, and if that makes me a failure in your eyes, I understand. I do want to give myself a pat on the back for reading your dad energy correctly despite not knowing you were going to be one soon in the slightest, congrats tho!!

@ND Fruit cups are delicious dude

@Bonta I'm a guy who played this game here years ago and have foggy memories of the people here which mostly amount to BB is a bit out there and ND is entertainingly mean. Also ghug is here, as he is and has been before! Besides that I am just some guy, sometimes I play good, most times I fuck something up pretty badly.

@sweet I also kind of want ND to step on me, but maybe things have changed and we have to pay for that kind of thing now. We will see what happens I suppose, but I feel ya

In other news, I had a nap and while quoting on a level that was necessary to respond to you all is currently beyond my power level, I promise to figure it out later on <3

I like this guy, and this is probably town

Compare to M40
63 posts day 1 (as town)

Doesn't seem like Jamie to quit like that over something so small, he's always the one that wants to get the next game going

I like this post. Feels very much like a town post. There appears to be no scum motivation whatsoever in wondering if there was some ulterior motive here.

Conclusion:
Vecna volume has changed to apathy since his gold era. but the posting style remains the same. THis could be a mafia here based on the massive volume shifts from his town meta.

Heyo braino, when you do these analysis-digs di you consider non mechanical things? Vecna made an attempt to explain (without over-explaining) his low posts. Did you consider that when slightly scum reading him?

[brainbomb]

Will, ND, and Spirit come off as town to me.

Hot take with limited backing - sweet may be scum. His post he linked for HB was shit.

##vote sweet

Compare to: M75 worcej had 129 posts

My question wasn’t worthless and continuing to think it is shows your inability and unwillingness to engage with being questioned directly. You want people to infer instead of directly asking, which is elusiveness.

*shrugs* it's not.

Maybe you're being genuine I have zero idea about who you are as a player. I don't care your intent though because the question never helps its bad and provides nothing to town it is meaningless. My experience level means nothing in regard to who I am as a player it never has and it never will.

You Ostensibly claim to want to know to create a profile of me as a player... ask a question that actually matters because my experience means nothing in regards to my profile. Your idea of a new or vet player actually may be fundamentally different from how I play as a new or vet player.

You want questions, so here:
Would you consider yourself to be someone who buddies players regularly?

What is the most common way you have been caught as scum?

What is your opinion of Sabi’s playstyle?

What is your optimum D1 kill, assuming that no actual slip occurs and you have to just randomly pick someone?

What is the first thing you look for when you are hunting scum?

Why did you decide to try playing here?

How do you feel about our site ‘style’ so far?

I think the volume isnt a match but the style is. worcej has had alot go in out of game that has made him more laid back in these endeavors. The sheer fact he voted for sweet is a good look in and of itself when there would be no reason to be bussing there.

[brainbomb]

Heyo braino, when you do these analysis-digs di you consider non mechanical things? Vecna made an attempt to explain (without over-explaining) his low posts. Did you consider that when slightly scum reading him?

well since the title of the study was volume comparison this was looking in a succinct way at stark differences, and isolating a post that seems the same from both instances. In vecnas case the volume doesnt match but the post style does. and the style is much easier to fake because he is a wily veteran.

[brainbomb]

If you think I should stop doing these on the grounds that they lack alot of content I would agree that its definetely not a full picture. to do a full compare would be pages upon pages of data that nobody would even read.

[brainbomb]

most of my assumptions about who the remaining scum are come from the idea that sweet was the highest volume scum poster. HB is a virtual clear, will was top poster day 1 and I dont see a new scum doing that ever, ND is hawkish and has his old school massive wall cases like he used too, and bona flipped town. So for however many scum are left the place to start looking is the bottom of the volume pool, not the top.

[dargorygel]

If you think I should stop doing these on the grounds that they lack alot of content I would agree that its definetely not a full picture. to do a full compare would be pages upon pages of data that nobody would even read.

I do not think you should stop collating data. I was wondering about your 'conclusion.' How strong it was. You've answered that, thanks.