MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[ghug]

And ghug, tell me who you scum read not just who you town read, if you dont mind

Brian is a legit scumread but that's pretty much it right now.

How in shit am I a scumread? I die, you're going to be astonished at how wrong you are. Unless you're mafia going for the lazy easy play.

You're realer when you're real.

[ghug]

What's the difference between a, "slight town" and a "Slight town" the same for the inverse, "slight scum" and "Slight scum" because you don't uniformly capitalize your terms.

As for the content, it's a mixed bag but there are a few things I think are fair. I have a few follow-up's for you.

-What exactly has Will and HB done that you would classify as, "stupid shit?" I have yet to hear any kind of explanation for Will's litany of contradictory statements. And I still haven't received a satisfactory answer to his statement about Macca from Page 11. This is a guy, who claims that he 'reads' people for being town because they post and who claims he reads people as 'scum' because they don't post. So, why single out Macca and scum read her? That's something that should be answered and I wouldn't sweep it under the rug by saying that it is "townies gaffing about town."

-Why do you feel bad for someone (Macca) as scum for making a post and if I understand you correctly because you interpreted it as nice? Quote, "while I feel bad for reading that as scummy."

-Concerning Bozo, like the post Bozo made where he popped in and stated that someone who hasn't posted is town? You find that, "correct and helpful" then?

-Brain can be hard to get a read on.

-So you think there is merit to some of HB's suspicions from Page 20?

-Oh god

-Which one of my takes have you found decent? What does wagon building mean?

-I have noted a connection with Vecna, Macca, and Will from Page 11-12.

-Darg hasn't done anything to get any kind of read and he misspelled cemetary as cenetary.

-Probably a fair take on Damo. Concerning the rest, lack of information makes a read impossible.

This is dumb. I have said multiple times that I dont believe Demon to be scum. BUT THEY ARENT PARTICIPATING. That is detrimental to the town. You always scruntinize my posts but don’t actually read them.

Go further and draw a conclusion about ND's alignment.

[ghug]

On PAGE 11 you stated, "I could see macca being the mafia. Idk i've never played with them before."

WHY did you say macca was mafia? Out of all the players in the game, why macca? That's what I want to know. Right now. Tell me.

Reading your response to this Q, JustA... I am less convinced that you're making solid plays. There were several players that had not done anything AT THAT POINT, but I'll overlook the hyperfocus on Macca.

I get it's what you were feeling at the time. But why only that one player?

Someone brought up Macca as a potential vote. In response, I said “I could see Macca being the mafia”. Thats why. I am going back to check who it was.

Why didn't you draw this connection earlier?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What's the difference between a, "slight town" and a "Slight town" the same for the inverse, "slight scum" and "Slight scum" because you don't uniformly capitalize your terms.

As for the content, it's a mixed bag but there are a few things I think are fair. I have a few follow-up's for you.

-What exactly has Will and HB done that you would classify as, "stupid shit?" I have yet to hear any kind of explanation for Will's litany of contradictory statements. And I still haven't received a satisfactory answer to his statement about Macca from Page 11. This is a guy, who claims that he 'reads' people for being town because they post and who claims he reads people as 'scum' because they don't post. So, why single out Macca and scum read her? That's something that should be answered and I wouldn't sweep it under the rug by saying that it is "townies gaffing about town."

-Why do you feel bad for someone (Macca) as scum for making a post and if I understand you correctly because you interpreted it as nice? Quote, "while I feel bad for reading that as scummy."

-Concerning Bozo, like the post Bozo made where he popped in and stated that someone who hasn't posted is town? You find that, "correct and helpful" then?

-Brain can be hard to get a read on.

-So you think there is merit to some of HB's suspicions from Page 20?

-Oh god

-Which one of my takes have you found decent? What does wagon building mean?

-I have noted a connection with Vecna, Macca, and Will from Page 11-12.

-Darg hasn't done anything to get any kind of read and he misspelled cemetary as cenetary.

-Probably a fair take on Damo. Concerning the rest, lack of information makes a read impossible.

This is dumb. I have said multiple times that I dont believe Demon to be scum. BUT THEY ARENT PARTICIPATING. That is detrimental to the town. You always scruntinize my posts but don’t actually read them.

Go further and draw a conclusion about ND's alignment.

ND is def town. This is some dumb pointless in-town fighting. Dunno why the hell he is so dead set on me. Hope this stops before more stupid stuff happens.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Reading your response to this Q, JustA... I am less convinced that you're making solid plays. There were several players that had not done anything AT THAT POINT, but I'll overlook the hyperfocus on Macca.

I get it's what you were feeling at the time. But why only that one player?

Someone brought up Macca as a potential vote. In response, I said “I could see Macca being the mafia”. Thats why. I am going back to check who it was.

Why didn't you draw this connection earlier?

I thought ND already had known that. I assume if he looked at my posts that he would have also already have checked who originally said Macca was suspicious.

[ghug]

Yeah, so there is a lot to unpack here on 23. I’ll just make a general comment instead of replying to someone in specific.

A) If you believe Will is town then you are willing to accept that he is just a ‘new town player’ who is in way over his head. He doesn’t understand the game. He contradicts himself. Doesn’t know what a vote is or who is voting for him. He thinks people who post a lot are town and those who don’t are mafia. He is essentially clueless. You have to be willing to make those assumptions. These assumptions overlook one large red flag from Page 11-12 though.

B) When Will began to post today, earlier, on 11-12 he singled Macca out and said they were scum? Why? Who knows, but he contradicts himself on it and he walks it back. Macca becomes someone on the 'radar.' Never giving any kind of clear answer in the moment. This reeks as someone trying to hide or obfuscate the situation. It's something that is unexplainable. I think he accidently called out a team mate and is trying to bury that fact and walk it back. If he is new town, then why not just say, "hey I made a mistake. I'm new. What's a scum. What do I need to do to help the town win? Please can someone explain the rules to me?" He only starts to do this later when he gets pressure.

I’ll remind you all that this is not a guessing game. This is a reading comprehension game. And to answer Will, “why not kill the person who would contribute the LEAST to a town victory” how do you know this? Voting for someone who hasn’t posted is pretty anti-town behavior. If Demon is town and they are killed then there are literally no connections to draw upon or to do further inquiries upon. We can’t see who talked to them, who may have slipped in a conversation, etc. It’s essentially null and meaningless. If they are scum then we are one step closer to victory, but have gained no further information from them. Concerning Sweet & Ghug, “he could just as easily be floundering town.” Explain the red flag that I have identified from Page 11-12 to me.

This is the same thing you've been saying the whole time?

I think he was just voicing a thought. I think it's a bit odd. I don't see how his being scum would make it any less odd, so I conclude that it's NAI.

[ghug]

I'm happy to keep the is sweetandcool town or Mafia tradition alive.

But what's pinging you?

The paranoia you're trying to display feels fake and I don't think you'd take what ND is saying about Will seriously if you were town.

Yes, that's a valid concern. I think, however, that you are overestimating just how seriously I am taking ND.

I've made a comment or two indicating that I essentially felt how (I think) you feel.

Psychologically speaking, Will is probably Town. But they have been so staggeringly incomprehensible to me that I think there is a small chance ND could actually be right.

I'm not talking about drawing conclusions about Will. Suspicions there are fine. It's thinking ND could be onto something that I don't buy.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This is dumb. I have said multiple times that I dont believe Demon to be scum. BUT THEY ARENT PARTICIPATING. That is detrimental to the town. You always scruntinize my posts but don’t actually read them.

Go further and draw a conclusion about ND's alignment.

ND is def town. This is some dumb pointless in-town fighting. Dunno why the hell he is so dead set on me. Hope this stops before more stupid stuff happens.

I believe that he is town because a mafia would not make themselves out to be such a target so early on. But i dont know if this is the “meta” or not.

[ghug]

See above, if you are truly new town and have no freaking clue about the game you could have said any number of things. I outlined many potential responses in my post on this page. Instead, you walked it back, said contradictory things, and tried to bury the connection you made with Macca. That reeks to me and nothing you have said convinces me that it was anything other than a slip.

Alright, thanks.

This is so infuriating because there really is no way to prove that I am in fact a stupid townie, and not some mafia.

I wish I had my greeting card from last round.

I'm glad you don't because you're overacting to one loud voice suspecting you.

Focus on solving, not on ND's case.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Alright, thanks.

This is so infuriating because there really is no way to prove that I am in fact a stupid townie, and not some mafia.

I wish I had my greeting card from last round.

I'm glad you don't because you're overacting to one loud voice suspecting you.

Focus on solving, not on ND's case.

Can’t solve if ND gets me voted out.

But yes, you are probably right. If I get voted off day 1 on my first ever mafia game I’m going to flip my shit.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I am going to be reviewing the press and making some decisions.

G.I. Will out.

[ghug]

Will, ND, and Spirit come off as town to me.

Hot take with limited backing - sweet may be scum. His post he linked for HB was shit.

##vote sweet

Hard disagree with the reasoning but not the conclusion. ##VOTE worcej

[ghug]

Someone brought up Macca as a potential vote. In response, I said “I could see Macca being the mafia”. Thats why. I am going back to check who it was.

Why didn't you draw this connection earlier?

I thought ND already had known that. I assume if he looked at my posts that he would have also already have checked who originally said Macca was suspicious.

Don't assume due diligence from ND

[sweetandcool]

Anyone else notice that Spirit has been noticeably absent since "Edit-gate?" Why is that? Did it attract too much attention and need to lay low?

##VOTE Ham

This is exactly the type of post he likes to make as scum.

Are you basing this on just the last game, or other games as well?

I'm basing this on my gut, you could say. Ham specifically has a tendency to make posts that shade others in a way that I have correctly scumread in the past.

So not just last game.

[ghug]

This is so infuriating because there really is no way to prove that I am in fact a stupid townie, and not some mafia.

I wish I had my greeting card from last round.

I'm glad you don't because you're overacting to one loud voice suspecting you.

Focus on solving, not on ND's case.

Can’t solve if ND gets me voted out.

But yes, you are probably right. If I get voted off day 1 on my first ever mafia game I’m going to flip my shit.

I don't think anyone else is really pushing to kill you.

It's easy to get upset when the pressure is coming down, but I'm trying to tell you that:
a) you don't seem like you're in trouble
b) you'll convince people you're town by showing that you're trying to win the game for town

[ghug]

Will, ND, and Spirit come off as town to me.

Hot take with limited backing - sweet may be scum. His post he linked for HB was shit.

##vote sweet

Hard disagree with the reasoning but not the conclusion. ##VOTE worcej

I meant sweet but I'll leave my vote here to see who notices.

[ghug]

Why didn't you draw this connection earlier?

I thought ND already had known that. I assume if he looked at my posts that he would have also already have checked who originally said Macca was suspicious.

Don't assume due diligence from ND

Wait yeah, straight up, I think I agree with you that he's town, but you have firsthand experience of ND pushing you. Do you really find that push fair and rational?

[sweetandcool]

The paranoia you're trying to display feels fake and I don't think you'd take what ND is saying about Will seriously if you were town.

Yes, that's a valid concern. I think, however, that you are overestimating just how seriously I am taking ND.

I've made a comment or two indicating that I essentially felt how (I think) you feel.

Psychologically speaking, Will is probably Town. But they have been so staggeringly incomprehensible to me that I think there is a small chance ND could actually be right.

I'm not talking about drawing conclusions about Will. Suspicions there are fine. It's thinking ND could be onto something that I don't buy.

Huh, I'm confused about this.

Oh well, suffice to say I've been liking ND's hunting, though it is unfortunate that he is currently tunneled. Actually, I think ND is likely town here. I don't think Mafia decides going hard on the newbie is worth calling attention to themself.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I thought ND already had known that. I assume if he looked at my posts that he would have also already have checked who originally said Macca was suspicious.

Don't assume due diligence from ND

Wait yeah, straight up, I think I agree with you that he's town, but you have firsthand experience of ND pushing you. Do you really find that push fair and rational?

I honestly did at the time he originally made the accusations. But I have explained multiple times and I don’t think any progress is going to be made. So it was originially, but now, not so much.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@DemonRHK

Are you actually here or did you forgot we had a mafia thing going on?