MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[SpiritoftheRadio]

You're a weird guy will, and thats coming from a pot that is also black

[Bonatogether]

@Sweet and @Bona, you're the people I'm most likely to vote for who are here. Give me your top 3 scum reads and why, please. I think I understand you both tunneling in on HB, give me more.

no thanks señor

Canadian using spainish to dodge an important question. That's cultural appropriation, you're cancelled pal ##VOTE Bontatogether

i'm american

[Bonatogether]

##VOTE Bonatogether

One of my best friends has a small dog named Bonta, and that is all I think about when I read that name. I actually like the dog tho

i hate small dogs

[Bonatogether]

I mean, he deflected a really tiny ask, and already has been starting wagons on loose pretenses. He is still on HB and it was just in response to a shitpost about me not shitposting enough, and Bona has been shitposting more than anyone, it just strikes me as odd. I like shitposts as much as the next guy, and have done my fair share, but I have also been trying to help solve the game as well, I asked him to play the game for a second, he said no. I'm not committing to him ride or die, but I'd be happy losing him and he is as scummy as anyone imo

i always contribute but you ignored it

[ND]

Anyone else notice that Spirit has been noticeably absent since "Edit-gate?" Why is that? Did it attract too much attention and need to lay low?

HAHA I literally slept. People reading this as scummy immediately afterward is also hilarious. This would be the highlight of the 200 posts I just read if ND hadnt both chastised me and acknowledged that I made him laugh.

Here are some fast-ish reads:

slight town - I dont think HB or Will are scum, they seem like townies gaffing about town. Townies do stupid shit, thats what makes them townies. It is a way to compensate for not having any roles/items that simulate their monkey brains towards self preservation.

slight scum - Macca is a bit more interesting since their posts are just kind of blanket nice... while I feel bad about reading that as scummy, it does ping something in my bones that says "seems sus, sally"

Slight town - Bozo has been both correct and helpful in his brief posts, I like that. Although in rereading my previous games (which I did very quickly), he always got early sus due to something dumb so this is a change, but one that probably makes sense because he has had a lot of time to grow.

Null - Brain, I remember from before that I can never read him, and until something concrete comes out, its probably going to stay null. I am also easily entertained by shit posts and conspiracies, and daddy brain provides.

Null - I also dont want to kill rdr or worcej since them not being here makes these kills lack honor and chest hair

slight scum - Bona and Sweet, they both jumped on HB which is funny but mostly not my cup of tea since HB's comment wasnt the type of thing that could ever start a wagon on me, and even he knew that and didnt vote for me. like that they're both talking and doing some light hunting but I could see one or both as try hard scum jumping on a loose pretense to make a wagon happen.

Slight town - Ghug, "oh gee guys ghug is ghug"

Slight town - ND, step on me pls OwO (also for actually calling people on inconsistencies, having some decent takes, and doesn't seem to be wagon building to me)

Slight scum - Vecna, his brief posts struck me as a little too nice kind of like Macca, but with the extra added thing that I remember playing with him before and know he lurks and at this point probably knows how to under the radar by just checking in and shooting the shit. It may just be his meta, but it also gives me bad feels.

Slight town/null - Dar gave some basic reads, I didnt hate them.

Slight scum - Damo, just not a fan of the behavior of barely posting anything but voting around, especially on people who havent posted as tho that will actually get them to post. Idk, I get the sense it is a meta since no one is calling it out, but it is one of those things that isnt helpful to town imo and still gives the illusion of hunting and being a part of the convo. Just strikes me as scummy.

Null - Kak hasnt posted since the opening BS and DemonRHK hasnt at all, I want them to post more pls.

I'd be pretty happy voting any of my scum reads, and I probably will later on today.

What's the difference between a, "slight town" and a "Slight town" the same for the inverse, "slight scum" and "Slight scum" because you don't uniformly capitalize your terms.

As for the content, it's a mixed bag but there are a few things I think are fair. I have a few follow-up's for you.

-What exactly has Will and HB done that you would classify as, "stupid shit?" I have yet to hear any kind of explanation for Will's litany of contradictory statements. And I still haven't received a satisfactory answer to his statement about Macca from Page 11. This is a guy, who claims that he 'reads' people for being town because they post and who claims he reads people as 'scum' because they don't post. So, why single out Macca and scum read her? That's something that should be answered and I wouldn't sweep it under the rug by saying that it is "townies gaffing about town."

-Why do you feel bad for someone (Macca) as scum for making a post and if I understand you correctly because you interpreted it as nice? Quote, "while I feel bad for reading that as scummy."

-Concerning Bozo, like the post Bozo made where he popped in and stated that someone who hasn't posted is town? You find that, "correct and helpful" then?

-Brain can be hard to get a read on.

-So you think there is merit to some of HB's suspicions from Page 20?

-Oh god

-Which one of my takes have you found decent? What does wagon building mean?

-I have noted a connection with Vecna, Macca, and Will from Page 11-12.

-Darg hasn't done anything to get any kind of read and he misspelled cemetary as cenetary.

-Probably a fair take on Damo. Concerning the rest, lack of information makes a read impossible.

[ND]

A couple of things before I move on from Page 17/18.

Ghug, if it makes you feel good or important to remind us about your values, tournament play (which Brain brought up first) or whatever then by all means remind us. If you want to be Captain Carebear then be Captain Carebear. Now, if you think for a minute that I’m not going to comment on something like that then you are very mistaken. I’ll comment on whatever I want to comment on.

Next and more importantly, we will examine the reaction to Will. The reactions from Ghug to Sweet are interesting in different ways. Ghug, after going on one of his holier than thou crusades against me comments directly on something Will said. In his comment he is like, paraphrasing, ‘oh don’t get down.’ This is followed by a line of questioning in which he asks for Will’s broader thoughts. This is good. The more Will talks the better imo. Contrast this reaction with Sweet.

Minutes later, Sweet makes a similar post. Paraphrasing, ‘oh gee don’t beat yourself up.’ What is interesting in this statement is that, a) Sweet doesn’t really follow up on Will’s desire to project an image. Will directly says he doesn’t want to be “caught” as a nonposter. This reflects the desire of a player to project an image or to stand out in some way. Why or where did he get this idea that he had to make a lot of posts? Plenty of people don’t post much D1 or maybe offer a few but substantially quality posts/observations. I find the exchange problematic. B) He then chastises Will and tells him, paraphrasing, ‘not to be worried yet.’ Unlike Ghug he really doesn’t follow up at all or even make a token effort to question Will. This is something worth noting.

I've been criticized for that in previous games. Sometimes I follow up, sometimes I mentally shrug and/or think about the reply given, rather than hounding for more info.

Will has consistently been pretty nonsensical, as evidenced by their replies to your questioning. So I haven't felt compelled to push them hard for a response.

Please note they've completely ignored some of my questions, and I haven't pushed them to answer, so you can add that to your evidence against me.

Ok.

[ND]

Focussing is for people who can... I forgot where this sentence was going...

brainbomb strikes me as very slightly sus. Which is a lot, cause normally I'd back him all the way.

also ghug. but thats... ghug.

What about Brainbomb is sus? Why mention Ghug? What relevance does this post actually have? Other than the appearance of a post? Zero content followed by your other scum oozed statements and light hearted fishing attempts against the alleged body builder (which I doubt) btw.

'Macca, do reads! Macca, These reads are shit!'

What do you want from me? That's what I've got, and warned you about?

Is that still all you have after an additional 10+ pages? Reads usually evolve over time as people make posts, make inquiries, etc.

[Hamilton Brian]

Oh I see so when you literally freaking said, "I could see macca being mafia" you meant to say that (paraphrase), 'they are on my radar.'

Really??? Total BS post.

That’s what it literally means. If someone is on my radar, it means I could see them as mafia. Doesn’t mean they are my #1. Demon is bc he has not been posting.

On PAGE 11 you stated, "I could see macca being the mafia. Idk i've never played with them before."

WHY did you say macca was mafia? Out of all the players in the game, why macca? That's what I want to know. Right now. Tell me.

Reading your response to this Q, JustA... I am less convinced that you're making solid plays. There were several players that had not done anything AT THAT POINT, but I'll overlook the hyperfocus on Macca.

I get it's what you were feeling at the time. But why only that one player?

[Hamilton Brian]

Also I think Will is now my strongest town read

Why?

[Hamilton Brian]

also the "strongest" read on day 1 doesnt mean much, but the ND x Will argument reeks of town infighting to me. I am less sure of HB

Town always does this; it was grossly apparent last game. So here we have ND vs Will, and Sweet vs HB.

I know that I have to stop getting into explaining myself to Sweet because it then becomes the noise that lets mafia coast under and wait it all out.

[Hamilton Brian]

But regardless he didn't react and that's suspicious.

Spill more?

[Hamilton Brian]

I was feeling the same way, though I don't get what you don't get. Oh well.

I'm always wary about people eagerly hopping on a wagon, but maybe they've seen how consistently correct I am about you in regards to the type of posts you like to make as scum.

Please don't let this prideful moment be the accelerant for your own hubris; you remember what it caused Oedipus to do.

Wait so you are implying Sweetie is Oedipus which would mean you are his father? This is getting gross.

I'll be back shortly to dive into this massive, bulging, wall of text that I see before me.

Not really. It's just that Oedipus poked out his eyes, which really screwed up his game.

[Hamilton Brian]

And ghug, tell me who you scum read not just who you town read, if you dont mind

Brian is a legit scumread but that's pretty much it right now.

How in shit am I a scumread? I die, you're going to be astonished at how wrong you are. Unless you're mafia going for the lazy easy play.

[Hamilton Brian]

@Sweet and @Bona, you're the people I'm most likely to vote for who are here. Give me your top 3 scum reads and why, please. I think I understand you both tunneling in on HB, give me more.

1. Ham, that post was scummy and my best lead.
2/3/4. I'm feeling uneasy about brainbomb, I'm worried ND has found a convenient tunnel, I'm worried Will actually is Mafia and ND actually is right.

I think ND picked someone at random and is just gunning for me with all his might

You've kind of made yourself an easy target. Don't sweat it. It happens. I'm case in point. If you really are town, just ride it out. Look for discrepancies in players' words, who are they voting for, etc.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What's the difference between a, "slight town" and a "Slight town" the same for the inverse, "slight scum" and "Slight scum" because you don't uniformly capitalize your terms.

As for the content, it's a mixed bag but there are a few things I think are fair. I have a few follow-up's for you.

-What exactly has Will and HB done that you would classify as, "stupid shit?" I have yet to hear any kind of explanation for Will's litany of contradictory statements. And I still haven't received a satisfactory answer to his statement about Macca from Page 11. This is a guy, who claims that he 'reads' people for being town because they post and who claims he reads people as 'scum' because they don't post. So, why single out Macca and scum read her? That's something that should be answered and I wouldn't sweep it under the rug by saying that it is "townies gaffing about town."

-Why do you feel bad for someone (Macca) as scum for making a post and if I understand you correctly because you interpreted it as nice? Quote, "while I feel bad for reading that as scummy."

-Concerning Bozo, like the post Bozo made where he popped in and stated that someone who hasn't posted is town? You find that, "correct and helpful" then?

-Brain can be hard to get a read on.

-So you think there is merit to some of HB's suspicions from Page 20?

-Oh god

-Which one of my takes have you found decent? What does wagon building mean?

-I have noted a connection with Vecna, Macca, and Will from Page 11-12.

-Darg hasn't done anything to get any kind of read and he misspelled cemetary as cenetary.

-Probably a fair take on Damo. Concerning the rest, lack of information makes a read impossible.

This is dumb. I have said multiple times that I dont believe Demon to be scum. BUT THEY ARENT PARTICIPATING. That is detrimental to the town. You always scruntinize my posts but don’t actually read them.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

That’s what it literally means. If someone is on my radar, it means I could see them as mafia. Doesn’t mean they are my #1. Demon is bc he has not been posting.

On PAGE 11 you stated, "I could see macca being the mafia. Idk i've never played with them before."

WHY did you say macca was mafia? Out of all the players in the game, why macca? That's what I want to know. Right now. Tell me.

Reading your response to this Q, JustA... I am less convinced that you're making solid plays. There were several players that had not done anything AT THAT POINT, but I'll overlook the hyperfocus on Macca.

I get it's what you were feeling at the time. But why only that one player?

Someone brought up Macca as a potential vote. In response, I said “I could see Macca being the mafia”. Thats why. I am going back to check who it was.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

1. Ham, that post was scummy and my best lead.
2/3/4. I'm feeling uneasy about brainbomb, I'm worried ND has found a convenient tunnel, I'm worried Will actually is Mafia and ND actually is right.

I think ND picked someone at random and is just gunning for me with all his might

You've kind of made yourself an easy target. Don't sweat it. It happens. I'm case in point. If you really are town, just ride it out. Look for discrepancies in players' words, who are they voting for, etc.

Unfortunately I don’t think ND is going to be voting anyone else lol.

I am a nervous wreck. Idk what the hell I did wrong enough to be a target besides agreeing with someone on a POTENTIAL (not certain) mafia.

[Hamilton Brian]

Should I die tomorrow, I have crafted my version of "Stuck inside of Mobile With the Memphis Blues Again" to reflect this game. It;s a Bob Dylan favourite but greatly impreoved by Grateful Dead. I'll post it with 1:00 to go if I am the lead wagon.

And if town falls for Sweet's bullshit case, then y'all can get stuffed!

[Hamilton Brian]

I think ND picked someone at random and is just gunning for me with all his might

You've kind of made yourself an easy target. Don't sweat it. It happens. I'm case in point. If you really are town, just ride it out. Look for discrepancies in players' words, who are they voting for, etc.

Unfortunately I don’t think ND is going to be voting anyone else lol.

I am a nervous wreck. Idk what the hell I did wrong enough to be a target besides agreeing with someone on a POTENTIAL (not certain) mafia.

Don't sweat it. You've come in a little hot. Just cool it, observe, say only what needs to be said. We all develop perceptions and create biases as the game progresses;

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I don't see why not.

I got scum the first time round, and now I'm sad about it.

1000iq scum play??? Lol

This was mainly a joke. But I thought about it a little bit:

so macca is probably mafia because they voted me.

I could see macca being the mafia. Idk i’ve never played with them before.

Brainbomb has pitched the idea of Macca. I was open to the idea because I had no read on them AT THE TIME. At no point did I vote them or campaign to. I am sad that I agreed with Brainbomb. Why aren’t we scrutinizing Brainbomb? idk this is dumb.