M1026: ghughog Day [Game Thread]

[bozotheclown]

okay bozo
##vote worcej

you made solid arguments there and I agree on most of those points

The tenacity of the argument and being town-clear makes it a clear jump.

##vote worcej

Thank you, fortunately we still have 2 more chances if worcej turn out to be town, but I think he is most likely to be mafia. Also, if I am wrong and he is town, I think eliminating him from the scum pool would still be helpful.

[bozotheclown]

I'll look at it; I kind of need to write it out.

Damo voted at 14, 4, and 1 minute to go...moving between Jamie and myself.

The assertion is that...?

damo and I were online at EOD and discussing the vote and how to make sure it did not end in a tie. damo said he was not willing to vote for ND, but he did seem willing to let ND get DKed to avoid a tie, and damo put ND in the lead at 4 minutes, and possibly intended to at 1 minute, unless he actually did see
brainbomb's ND vote before he voted for Jamie.

[bozotheclown]

Also, I don't see why damo would think his best option N1 would be to NK me, but that could be WIFOM.

[sweetandcool]

I receive a message that I was saved by the doctor. I did not get a message that I was role blocked, which seems odd if no one else was role blocked.

I did not try to NK myself, although I agree I am not cleared, assuming mafia are allowed to order a NK on themselves.

I did not claim immediately because I was trying to see if sweetandcool would change his position, since he seemed to be scum reading me N1, but he has not seemed to be paying much attention to the game yet D2.

I was actually scum reading you out of frustration because you and damo seemed to be pushing the same agenda, which seemed Mafia led. But I had already decided before the doctor claim that you were okay, I just didn't manage to post that thread in game.

My top suspect is damo. After that, I don't have one, but everybody looks pretty good except worcej and Jamiet who are both in my null pool.

So if I really had to:

1. damo
2. Jamiet/worcej

[worcej]

I have asked myself if he has the guts to put in a kill on himself or to think he was widely townread enough to do something like that and I struggle imagining him having the balls to do it

Kill on himself would be incredibly outside of his normal behavior.

I think it's much more likely he's town and just was withholding the information or singularly focused on me dying.

[worcej]

Attention damo voters

Look at my D1 voting and engage brain

Your D1 voting isn't special to me.

[worcej]

Totally don't like damo for D1. But right now it's only sweet putting a vote on them. Why?

Well, I am not going to kill my doctor claim. Onto #2 - ##vote damo

Can you please provide your top 3 scum suspects?

As of this post, it's Damo, S&C, Jamie in that order.

HB is the least likely scum.
BB and you are effectively cleared.

[worcej]

I don't get what you mean there worcej. get the sentiment but not the claim issue.

I am town, I will not be voting for an un-CC’es doctor claim.

I kinda thought there was the potential BB was the doctor when he made a inb4 about my doctor appointment but thought that was too obvious…

So you thought he was either mafia or the doctor?

Just to ensure you don't get confused and scum me for something else.

When BB made this post:

So who was here EoD? Clearly Brainbomb and damo, anyone else?

I was not due to a doctor's appointment

inb4 this becomes an alleged crumb tomorrow

I thought BB was signaling he was the potential doctor, or making an anchor for it later.

Then I scummed him, did my VCA analysis, then he claimed.

[worcej]

Thanks for confirming, Bozo.

Brainbomb is towncleared.

Given the lack of a RB, Sweetandcool remains my top suspect. But I am reasonably happy with a Damo wagon also. However, I am keeping my vote.

I encourage Worcej voters to change.

Can we please not DK damo today? I think he should be down the list as far as scum suspects.

Is this only because you scum me more?

[sweetandcool]

I want to see how worcej answers.

And no, it won't go that way because the chances of both worcej and sweet being town are minimal.

Damo is scum is this is some beautiful performance. Very convincing way to kill two town.

##VOTE damo

Did you know you were already voting for damo at this time?

Can you please explain why you think damo is more likely to be mafia than anyone else?

I was aware.

I haven't found a reason to scumread anyone. I'll try to get to that before the deadline but for now I've yelled about damo being scum plenty.

What I was saying in the quoted post is that he seems hellbent on leading town to two MKs (at least, I know I'm town and targeting worcej seems unjustified). This just seems like the scum play.

[worcej]

It's a weird situation. I am stuck thinking the remaining mafia is in this pool of damo worcej sweet.

Right now gut is saying ##vote damo

Can you please explain what you think damo was doing D1 EOD if he was mafia?

Mine comes down to one word: Distancing.

[worcej]

worcej now voting for damo make me more confident he is the remaining mafia.

How?

[worcej]

having more time to think about it, I like Jamie more after tonight. I still think bozo is pretty undeniably town. Then my scumleans get real fuzzy

I think sweet is scummier in play so far than hamilton.
and then worcej is doing alot of self defense rather than actual investigating so im probably okay with a worcej death

It isn't self defense - it's about trying to figure out where people stand on the gamestate and how they are arriving at the conclusions. My D2 flip will do nothing to provide more information to the town unless I force people to connect to me more.

One thing to note: bozo seems to have abandoned his original rational for wanting me on D2 and instead has shifted into the VCA/non-bus methodology.

I think this is the second most mafia indicative post of the game. It is an unfounded attempt to undermine my reasons for suspecting worcej, just before the mafia would expect I would be removed from the game.

It's an attempt to snap you out of your always tunneling mode.

You say you're entertaining other possible scum, but it doesn't come off that way when 99% of your energy is aimed at killing just me.

[sweetandcool]

It's a weird situation. I am stuck thinking the remaining mafia is in this pool of damo worcej sweet.

Right now gut is saying ##vote damo

Can you please explain what you think damo was doing D1 EOD if he was mafia?

Trying desperately to get someone voted other than his teammate. He even went Ham to Jam rather than Ham to ND at the last moment, presumably hoping that Brainbomb, in an attempt to break the tie, simultaneously vote for Jam too, thereby causing a tie. In that scenario damo could reasonably say "whoops!" without being unduly suspected.

[worcej]

Is that the order of your top 3 scum suspects?

It's my three suspects. I need to go back to understand why it's asserted damo is more likely town.

Please look at D1 EOD and see if you think damo would have voted the way he did as mafia,

I don't see anything special in his vote movements. What do you see that towns him?

[brainbomb]

##vote Jamie

[worcej]

Even with the possibility of a busser, I would consider DKing worcej next based on this:

##vote sweetandcool

I think the Hamilton situation is too obviously lackluster, even for him, for me to think it's scum motivated.

I don't particularly think ND is scum here based off his level of activity.

Sweet seems like a good place to start. Would be willing to entertain a damo vote too fwiw

I honestly don't recall - he's been gone for awhile and I think posting volume/activity is NAI because of it.

The content of his posts and style.

When I pointed out the contradiction, worcej said it was the content of ND's posts that made him think ND was town, but in the first post worcej clearly said it was the level of his activity, not the content.

Here is my "original" reason for suspecting worcej, which I would like to point out I did not "abandon".

worcej clearly contradicted himself on his reason for town reading ND, and I do not buy that "level of activity" was a reference to the content of his posts instead of the level of his participation.

I don't contradict myself at all - you REFUSE to accept my definition and meaning of the words I USED.

This isn't like a normal slip where someone is fucking up facts or names - you just don't like I included "level of activity" and meant more than just post volumes.

[bozotheclown]

bozo:
1. worcej
2. Hamilton Brian
3. sweetandcool

brainbomb:
1. sweetandcool
2. worcej
3. Hamilton Brian

damo:
1. worcej
2. Jamie
3. sweetandcool

Hamilton Brian:
1. worcej
2(T). damo
2(T). sweetandcool

Jamie:
1. sweetandcool
2. damo
3. Hamilton Brian

sweetandcool:
1. damo
2(T). worcej
2(T). Jamie

worcej:
1. damo
2. sweetandcool
3. Jamie

Using a 3-2-1 weighting, which is equivalent to 50%-33%-17%, the weighted results are:

worcej 12.5
sweetandcool 11.5
damo 9.5
Jamie 4.5
Hamilton Brian 4

[worcej]

The second reason I suspect worcej is that I think it would be a very poor mafia strategy to bus D1 when mafia only needs 2 mis-kills to win, which narrows the most likely scum pool to worcej and sweetandcool. I rule out damo because he helped ensure the ND DK, so if he were mafia he would have DKed his teammate apparently without getting any bus credit for it.

Looking at the D1 interaction between ND and sweetandcool, I think it is more likely ND was setting up sweetandcool as a possible mis-kill than distancing from him. Also, I don't think sweetandcool would think making a number of obvious town slips would be his best option as mafia.

I guess we found your damo reason, but I disagree here - Damo didn't do anything to "ensure" he died that would town him, he just didn't vote for him or another wagon to force a tie.

My take is Damo, as scum, was being cautious and causing chaos enough to possibly spur some last second vote movements. I find this much more likely and real than "ensuring the ND DK"

[bozotheclown]

Thanks for confirming, Bozo.

Brainbomb is towncleared.

Given the lack of a RB, Sweetandcool remains my top suspect. But I am reasonably happy with a Damo wagon also. However, I am keeping my vote.

I encourage Worcej voters to change.

Can we please not DK damo today? I think he should be down the list as far as scum suspects.

Is this only because you scum me more?

no