M1026: ghughog Day [Game Thread]

[bozotheclown]

So, brain and Bozo are clear. HamB is unlikely imo due to his and NDs D1 voting.

This leaves me, worcej, sweet and Jamie.

I am town, Bozo has explained why my EOD D1 votes are more towny than scummy.

So, unsurprisingly we are left with sweet, worcej and Jamie.

Interestingly 2 of those 3 are voting me. Maybe Jamie can't believe his luck.

Now if w or s are scum I can understand them voting me but whichever is town of the pair plus H and b go think again.

As has been said a million times before either w or s should be the kill today.

Considering worcej's spirited defence (could be an act though) I'll ##vote sweet.

Very willing to go back to w if necessary.

Will vote anyone other than brain or Bozo to save my skin.

It really should be worcej today, I think sweetandcool and Hamilton Brian are just not very engaged with the game, and I can't see sweetandcool forcing all of those town slips as mafia.

[bozotheclown]

Just waking up.

Looking at the fact that I am voting with my pool makes me question everything. I don't like it. Let me retract and move over to ##vote sweet for now.

Why not worcej?

[damo666]

I receive a message that I was saved by the doctor. I did not get a message that I was role blocked, which seems odd if no one else was role blocked.

I did not try to NK myself, although I agree I am not cleared, assuming mafia are allowed to order a NK on themselves.

I did not claim immediately because I was trying to see if sweetandcool would change his position, since he seemed to be scum reading me N1, but he has not seemed to be paying much attention to the game yet D2.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the lack of a roleblock claim. Doesn't mean much since scum could hold and claim to gain towncred.

That is true, but they could still have done that if they had RBed me and I had been NKed. In any case, I don't think it changes anything.

Suppose worcej is town and was RBd he may be reluctant to claim because someone like me would say "you are scum who held the RB to make a fake claim." This may explain the lack of a claim. I think we should just forget RBs.

Although if we don't kill scum today he will certainly use it tonight!

[damo666]

So, brain and Bozo are clear. HamB is unlikely imo due to his and NDs D1 voting.

This leaves me, worcej, sweet and Jamie.

I am town, Bozo has explained why my EOD D1 votes are more towny than scummy.

So, unsurprisingly we are left with sweet, worcej and Jamie.

Interestingly 2 of those 3 are voting me. Maybe Jamie can't believe his luck.

Now if w or s are scum I can understand them voting me but whichever is town of the pair plus H and b go think again.

As has been said a million times before either w or s should be the kill today.

Considering worcej's spirited defence (could be an act though) I'll ##vote sweet.

Very willing to go back to w if necessary.

Will vote anyone other than brain or Bozo to save my skin.

It really should be worcej today, I think sweetandcool and Hamilton Brian are just not very engaged with the game, and I can't see sweetandcool forcing all of those town slips as mafia.

I'll move back to worcej if Ham does.

[bozotheclown]

Wassup players, it's my birthday today so I claim immunity to death. :D

As usual, I'll be your solid town core that manages to aggravate a few of you into believing I'm team Mafia.

Because I'm on vacation you will notice a marked difference in how I play for the first week of the game.

I suggest ya'll choose to believe my previous statement that I'm town. Then fellow townies will have narrowed their suspect pool to 6, giving 50% of catching Mafia D1.

That's all for a while, auf wiedersehen!

For sweetandcool to make this post as his first post of the game as mafia, he would have had to be planning to later claim he thought there were 3 mafia, and setting it up with the 50% number that came across as more as an incorrect calculation than a town slip.

[Hamilton Brian]

It's a weird situation. I am stuck thinking the remaining mafia is in this pool of damo worcej sweet.

Right now gut is saying ##vote damo

Is that the order of your top 3 scum suspects?

It's my three suspects. I need to go back to understand why it's asserted damo is more likely town.

[bozotheclown]

having more time to think about it, I like Jamie more after tonight. I still think bozo is pretty undeniably town. Then my scumleans get real fuzzy

I think sweet is scummier in play so far than hamilton.
and then worcej is doing alot of self defense rather than actual investigating so im probably okay with a worcej death

It isn't self defense - it's about trying to figure out where people stand on the gamestate and how they are arriving at the conclusions. My D2 flip will do nothing to provide more information to the town unless I force people to connect to me more.

One thing to note: bozo seems to have abandoned his original rational for wanting me on D2 and instead has shifted into the VCA/non-bus methodology.

I think this is the second most mafia indicative post of the game. It is an unfounded attempt to undermine my reasons for suspecting worcej, just before the mafia would expect I would be removed from the game.

[bozotheclown]

It's a weird situation. I am stuck thinking the remaining mafia is in this pool of damo worcej sweet.

Right now gut is saying ##vote damo

Is that the order of your top 3 scum suspects?

It's my three suspects. I need to go back to understand why it's asserted damo is more likely town.

Please look at D1 EOD and see if you think damo would have voted the way he did as mafia,

[bozotheclown]

Even with the possibility of a busser, I would consider DKing worcej next based on this:

##vote sweetandcool

I think the Hamilton situation is too obviously lackluster, even for him, for me to think it's scum motivated.

I don't particularly think ND is scum here based off his level of activity.

Sweet seems like a good place to start. Would be willing to entertain a damo vote too fwiw

Do you think ND is typically less active as mafia than as town?

I honestly don't recall - he's been gone for awhile and I think posting volume/activity is NAI because of it.

Why do you think ND is not mafia based on his level of activity if his activity is NAI?

The content of his posts and style.

When I pointed out the contradiction, worcej said it was the content of ND's posts that made him think ND was town, but in the first post worcej clearly said it was the level of his activity, not the content.

Here is my "original" reason for suspecting worcej, which I would like to point out I did not "abandon".

worcej clearly contradicted himself on his reason for town reading ND, and I do not buy that "level of activity" was a reference to the content of his posts instead of the level of his participation.

[bozotheclown]

The second reason I suspect worcej is that I think it would be a very poor mafia strategy to bus D1 when mafia only needs 2 mis-kills to win, which narrows the most likely scum pool to worcej and sweetandcool. I rule out damo because he helped ensure the ND DK, so if he were mafia he would have DKed his teammate apparently without getting any bus credit for it.

Looking at the D1 interaction between ND and sweetandcool, I think it is more likely ND was setting up sweetandcool as a possible mis-kill than distancing from him. Also, I don't think sweetandcool would think making a number of obvious town slips would be his best option as mafia.

[bozotheclown]

The third reason I suspect worcej is because N2 he did not show any interest in trying to identify the remaining mafia.

[bozotheclown]

The third reason I suspect worcej is because N2 he did not show any interest in trying to identify the remaining mafia.

That should say N1.

[bozotheclown]

The fourth reason I suspect worcej is because D2 he has only suspected players who suspected him, except for myself, who the mafia would know was not a likely DK.

[bozotheclown]

All of these reasons exist simultaneously, and I do not abandon any of them unless I say otherwise.

[bozotheclown]

##Vote sweetandcool

I have not liked their progressions on people or the duck in and duck out style if play. Lots of flitting votes around and its hard to tell if any were serious at all

Are you for real? :O

I wonder why I'm ducking in and out, hmmmmm.

Oh wait, you already mentioned why, so you must be aware.

##VOTE brainbomb

For real this time.

As damo pointed out, this vote by sweetandcool seems an unlikely choice for sweetandcool to make as mafia. It seems much more likely sweetandcool did not know or care about the current voting at the time.

[bozotheclown]

okay, so basically most of why I scumread s&c is the continued faled attempts at slipping themself town or posturing as oblivious.

yea maybe scum wouldnt take that angle here

##vote damo

I don't think sweetandcool would try that as mafia either, so can we DK worcej today? We just need damo and HB to join us.

[brainbomb]

okay bozo
##vote worcej

you made solid arguments there and I agree on most of those points

[Hamilton Brian]

The tenacity of the argument and being town-clear makes it a clear jump.

##vote worcej

[bozotheclown]

It's a weird situation. I am stuck thinking the remaining mafia is in this pool of damo worcej sweet.

Right now gut is saying ##vote damo

Is that the order of your top 3 scum suspects?

It's my three suspects. I need to go back to understand why it's asserted damo is more likely town.

You also have to look at the timing of the last 2 D1 votes. Assuming damo had not seen brainbomb's vote for ND, damo moving his vote from you to Jamie would have broken the tie and put ND in the lead.

[Hamilton Brian]

I'll look at it; I kind of need to write it out.

Damo voted at 14, 4, and 1 minute to go...moving between Jamie and myself.

The assertion is that...?