M1026: ghughog Day [Game Thread]

[worcej]

If anyone is insulted and feels like I am implying any of you are bad at mafia, or playing terrible I really do apologize.
I am glad to be here playing with all of you and hope your lives are going well.

this is fun. I do hope there are some slivers of entertainment for the mafia member as well.

No one is being insulting here.

I am just stating that, from my perspective, the logical conclusions being made to scum me are based on a perception of me playing poorly/badly as scum and I think I am better than that

[worcej]

Can’t wait for bozo to write a paragraph that my frustration is fake and I still must be scum

frustration isnt hard to fake when dying means losing. and your frustration at dying can mean fear of losing the game regardless of your alignment.

the fact you have no faith in town even after killing a mafia, even after an obvious doc save tells me that you are faking the fear of this game slipping away from town as the primary concern.

however, if you truly are afraid the game could slip away from town, you could tell us your reads, and explain reasons why I am scum other than (bb is most likely the busser were looking for).

I have zero faith because town typically ignores the dead. Town also typically loses outside of PR intervention.

My reads have already been said during this rant: You're the most likely scum, followed by damo. VCA points at you two over anyone else from D1.

[brainbomb]

worcej, you do realize that if I really am the last mafia, you are not gonna make me feel stupid for miskilling you right? you are posturing that I am scum and its obvious, but then while interacting with me you are challenging my ego as if I am obviously town, and im gonna feel dumb for killing you.

this would seem to be a perceptual miscue. I cant have egg on my face if im the bad guy and I get you killed. you would just be grist for the mill in that scenario

If you're scum, I don't want you to get away with this scot-free.

If you're town, you should feel dumb for scumming me for how I am posting and acting when there is an easy tool that shows you this is my meta when I am town being wrongly scummread.

whats interesting is both of these stances take the most negative view of towns performance thus far. to imply that I can overpower an entire town, get you miskilled, shove people around and have my way with the game and no one would do anything about it is so totally preposterous I cant even begin to address that notion.

most people know my scumgame and it really just isnt this.

as for some tool I can refer to that proves you are just playing your town game I think I will go ahead and continue researching because I enjoy doing that. But you should present the evidence of who you think is scum, and focus on that, and why, rather than having people go look up meaningless data about tone youve used in the past. tone can be faked selectively anyway.

[brainbomb]

now, if you want to accuse someone of tunneling, I am tunneling you. but to accuse me of tunneling youd have to be admitting im town which messes with your path to a win. conceding I am town just tunneling would present a dilemma for you, a dilemma that doesnt exist with bozo... hmm I wonder why

[worcej]

worcej, you do realize that if I really am the last mafia, you are not gonna make me feel stupid for miskilling you right? you are posturing that I am scum and its obvious, but then while interacting with me you are challenging my ego as if I am obviously town, and im gonna feel dumb for killing you.

this would seem to be a perceptual miscue. I cant have egg on my face if im the bad guy and I get you killed. you would just be grist for the mill in that scenario

If you're scum, I don't want you to get away with this scot-free.

If you're town, you should feel dumb for scumming me for how I am posting and acting when there is an easy tool that shows you this is my meta when I am town being wrongly scummread.

whats interesting is both of these stances take the most negative view of towns performance thus far. to imply that I can overpower an entire town, get you miskilled, shove people around and have my way with the game and no one would do anything about it is so totally preposterous I cant even begin to address that notion.

most people know my scumgame and it really just isnt this.

as for some tool I can refer to that proves you are just playing your town game I think I will go ahead and continue researching because I enjoy doing that. But you should present the evidence of who you think is scum, and focus on that, and why, rather than having people go look up meaningless data about tone youve used in the past. tone can be faked selectively anyway.

History shows town bungles advantages.

[Jamiet99uk]

anyone using normal mode on this forum should be thrown into mount doom

I don't like dark / black / reversed negative colour-schemes, they hurt my eyes.

I find black text on white background easier to read.

do you wear glasses or contacts?
thats interesting. I am the opposite

No, my vision is good, but my eyes have a tendency to be sensitive.

For me it's the high contrast between the text and the black background that I don't like.

[Jamiet99uk]

now, if you want to accuse someone of tunneling, I am tunneling you. but to accuse me of tunneling youd have to be admitting im town

Can Mafia not tunnel?

[brainbomb]

now, if you want to accuse someone of tunneling, I am tunneling you. but to accuse me of tunneling youd have to be admitting im town

Can Mafia not tunnel?

they can but its more wrought with issues usually. and it tends to lead to deathbound situations

[brainbomb]

I think of tunneling like a townie who looks at every single post by a player and can only see the scum motive for why that post exists

[worcej]

Reason why BB is probably the second scum - VCA details:

my main reason for townreading ND is that he is just this way. and he dies all the time because he uses mostly ad hominem attacks to conduct his play

This post was made at 00:12 left and the vote being 3 Jam, 3 ND, 1 swe, 1 Ham. This post comes off as trying to get a swing voter to shift to Jamie because BB's vote is stuck on Jamie, keeping the current tie, and he is unable to impact the game other than kill off ND.

Brain then posts this with 00:11 remaining:

people think games are more chill and more easy to tolerate with him dead but worcej throws a crazy curveball saying hes town and I wanna hear more about what that would seem like

Which I believe was an attempt to leverage myself as someone who towns ND more than just him, trying to get some doubt into the voters to not have the deathstack run up ND.

With 00:04 remaining, Dam moves to Ham and the vote is now 3 ND, 2 Ham, 2 Jam.

Then with 00:02 remaining, BB moves to Ham, forcing a 3 ND and 3 Ham tie again. After his vote, he makes the following posts:

see if this happens or not

ive had about twelve cups of coffee today so lets do this

Which gives me the vibes his movement was calculating and not firing from the hip town behavior. He made the tie to try to force some action from others to get an un-tie situation.

Then finally, at 00:01, after no movement is made - BB pulls off the bus.

##Vote ND so no tie

[damo666]

More or less correct. One of these three things occurred. Your (3) was not worded exactly right, so I corrected it.

I would say there are 2 possibilities as 3 is just a special case of 2 where both happen to be the same person (I wonder if they get 2 messages, doesn't matter).

I think one is highly unlikely unless sweet was so busy enjoying his holiday he forgot. Or worcej CBA. Or brain is incompetently messing about. Or Jamie is meddling with my brain. Or I've overlooked a clever Bozo plan. Or HamB screwed up.

Bozo, HB, sweet, jamie, and yourself would never withhold a NK in this situation by my assessment.

but you and brain would?

[damo666]

Who does everyone assume the NK choice was?

I have an idea. its probably a terrible idea but lets try it

Scummy post trying to out the non docs!?

[worcej]

Reason why I suspect Damo:
Damo has shown the scum nature to force end of phase votes to accomplish ties to save himself and teammates. M81 is the most recent example - and FWIW, this is also a great example of town bungling game advantage into a loss

Damo's last second move was weird and could've forced a tie if BB had done a last second move to Jamie again, which BB had been on for awhile.

It's calculating and deceptive, both of which damo is good at, but has less factual backing and is more of a hunch than anything else I have.

[worcej]

I would say there are 2 possibilities as 3 is just a special case of 2 where both happen to be the same person (I wonder if they get 2 messages, doesn't matter).

I think one is highly unlikely unless sweet was so busy enjoying his holiday he forgot. Or worcej CBA. Or brain is incompetently messing about. Or Jamie is meddling with my brain. Or I've overlooked a clever Bozo plan. Or HamB screwed up.

Bozo, HB, sweet, jamie, and yourself would never withhold a NK in this situation by my assessment.

but you and brain would?

I pride myself in doing unexpected things when given the chance because it would usually be ignored as a possibility. This is why I am a good PR player imho.

BB is just unpredictable, so anything is possible.

[sweetandcool]

In the first post, you asked if the person the doctor saved should claim, but in the second post, you indicated you did not think the person saved would be notified. Can you explain what you meant by the first post?

Bad grammar. I meant, the doctor claim, and reveal the person they saved.

I don't buy this answer.

You said:

"would it be appropriate for doctor and person they saved to claim?"

"doctor" AND "the person they saved"

That's two people, and you knew it.

Nope, I wrote poorly. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

[Jamiet99uk]

I like the effort that Brain and Worcej are putting in today.

But I still think it's Sweetie.

[brainbomb]

ND is trying to act like he is a very grumpy town who is mad at how bad everyone is. im not sold on it being any kind of actual authentic ND town stuff as of yet

every post ND is on the verge of forcing a narrative and then he just steps out of the batters box after he aims to left field and claims hes about to hit a homerun. then he doesnt.

I think Jamie could be mafia here with ND. but no solid reasons why just a gut feeling based on how they entered the game.

@ND

why is sweet guilty of omgus but I am not?

he voted me first and I have later voted him. is it only omgus if its reactive and in the moment?

hold on. worcej my bad. I called your post long winded and I was seeing NDs post actually. yours is not long winded thats my misread.

Hmm I think the person who has never left my scumreads is Jamie.

I can see why ND, s&c could be town

damo is at a null for me

bozo is town for me
worcej is also town

##Vote Jamiet99uk

by this point in the game my early scumread on ND is gone and I was influenced by worcej. I was townreading worcej and his vouch for ND changed my mind here to where I pivoted onto my other scumread Jamie.

worcej why is ND town again

As day went on I started to wonder why worcej was so sure. SO I asked here on page 13

my main reason for townreading ND is that he is just this way. and he dies all the time because he uses mostly ad hominem attacks to conduct his play

articulating my main reason for changing my mind about ND is that he just acts like a jerk. which he does. and he did.

people think games are more chill and more easy to tolerate with him dead but worcej throws a crazy curveball saying hes town and I wanna hear more about what that would seem like

same page, more thoughts on why people tend to kill ND.

I thought ND came across as town making an effort early on although easily faked.

I'm not enamoured with either lead wagon tbh.

Anybody want to revert to Ham with me?

at this point ND has the ability to also cause a tie if he shows up, and from my perspective we need someone to die, and I wasnt preferential to ND anymore. So I chose to push Ham instead. seeing that bozo and damo were entrenched. I am the only other active present person who can force a decision here

[worcej]

OMG guys, BB is being defensive. Get'em.

[worcej]

##vote Brainbomb

[Jamiet99uk]

OMG guys, BB is being defensive. Get'em.

But... but... he didn't start any sentences with "I".