M1026: ghughog Day [Game Thread]

[bozotheclown]

I think it is interesting that sweetandcool and worcej are not considering each other as potential mafia more than they seems to be, but at least one of them must be town.

[Jamiet99uk]

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I said you are missing the point to focus on minutae

Alrighty. I thought you were doing a Maniac thing of focusing on grammar and I was worried it was a pointless rabbit-hole.

Anyway.

What do you think of the work of Detective B.T. Clown on this past page or so?

I think Bozo has found two examples of Sweetandcool displaying evidence of awareness of particular setup details, which Sweetandcool later claimed to be un-aware of. (Exhibit 1 being knowledge of the Doc notifications, Exhibit 2 being knowledge of the number of scum in play).

[bozotheclown]

Assume I'm town, and if you are town then randomly voting for someone else gives 50%, which is a lot more exciting that 25%.

If the reason for saying 50% here was that you thought there were 3 mafia out of 8 players, so that assuming you were town would give me a 3 in 6 chance of randomly voting for mafia, why didn't you question my 25% chance of a 1 in 8 random event selecting a mafia, if you thought that would be 3/8 instead of 2/8?

You've got 'em here, Bozo.

Solid work.

I don't know how likely it is that sweetandcool would try to put in that many fake town slips as mafia, but I would like his explanation for the discrepancies.

[brainbomb]

yes, I echo bozo in the "quite certain that the last mafia is one of the two of them" (sweet or worcey sauce). I dont find damo scummy at all, and you are (Jamie) not very scummy; and Ham seems a bit too hammy to be scummy.

Im not even sure what that means but he doesnt seem like a backed against a wall mafiosa

[brainbomb]

I also think worcej laid down a doc crumb in case he was to flip today which real doc wouldnt do because crumbs are stupid.

[bozotheclown]

I think one possible explanation for ND placing a fourth vote for HB when he did is that HB was his teammate and he did not want HB to get DKed without being on his wagon after listing him in his scum reads earlier. Also, HB returning the vote for ND to break a four way tie could have been him bussing at the optimal time for town credit.

[bozotheclown]

I also think worcej laid down a doc crumb in case he was to flip today which real doc wouldnt do because crumbs are stupid.

I think that is a good point, and I also agree about worcej seeming more concerned about defending himself that trying to identify the remaining mafia N2.

[brainbomb]

I think one possible explanation for ND placing a fourth vote for HB when he did is that HB was his teammate and he did not want HB to get DKed without being on his wagon after listing him in his scum reads earlier. Also, HB returning the vote for ND to break a four way tie could have been him bussing at the optimal time for town credit.

wow, I did not remember this happening this way. Ham was first to react to seeing nobody die. his response did strike me as more cautious than excited

[brainbomb]

bozo do you like music?

[brainbomb]

Mafia would probably not want to react to their kill failing right away which makes Hamilton maybe a little better

[brainbomb]

so three possibilities?

1) Mafia no-kill...so based on the game setup, there'd be no notification
2) Mafia attempt the kill; doc save. Both will be notified.
3) Doc self-save? Notification?

I'm leaving that behind for smarter heads to grapple with.

this seems like town hamilton spewing out actual theories he has. this is like a kakarrotto post

[bozotheclown]

Going to push a little here.

There's no basis to any of these votes. No gut, nothing.

So, let it rip.

##Vote ND to get out of tie-ville.

So damo, if I'm not getting flashed...which of jamie or ND is more mafia-esque? I can't really tell?

damo had already clearly expressed a preference for Jamie over ND, so this final D1 post by HB comes across as HB giving damo a chance to tell him to vote for Jamie instead of ND.

[bozotheclown]

so three possibilities?

1) Mafia no-kill...so based on the game setup, there'd be no notification
2) Mafia attempt the kill; doc save. Both will be notified.
3) Doc self-save? Notification?

I'm leaving that behind for smarter heads to grapple with.

this seems like town hamilton spewing out actual theories he has. this is like a kakarrotto post

Maybe, at least 2 out of Hamilton Brian, sweetandcool, and worcej are town, but I am not sure which ones. If all 3 are town, I have been fooled.

[brainbomb]

So who was here EoD? Clearly Brainbomb and damo, anyone else?

Reading backwards, what's the relevance of this to you?

Well, Brainbomb and damo seemed eager for Jam or Ham to go, but since there was nobody else there they could only either tie or vote ND.

Since tieing would be a major red flag, if either one of them is Mafia they practically had to vote ND in the end.

Between the two of them, damo feels like a better scum candidate.

I dont feel like this is forced analysis, or faked. This seems like a sincere consideration of the situation that occurred

[sweetandcool]

sweet, you were here and you said nothing.

everything ok?

Daughter woke up, just as I saw the result.

I was intending to ask, would it be appropriate for doctor and person they saved to claim? Limiting the poe? Or better to wait?

Saved one reveal yourself. Scum already know. There is no point not claiming.

Would they even get a message? I thought only doc and Mafia would know the identity of the saved.

In the first post, you asked if the person the doctor saved should claim, but in the second post, you indicated you did not think the person saved would be notified. Can you explain what you meant by the first post?

Bad grammar. I meant, the doctor claim, and reveal the person they saved.

[brainbomb]

hamilton always lives in this very awkward threadspace with his posts where he gives off vibes of ethereal thinking. Maybe playing mafia for him is like a crude form of therapy in which he just can think, and think freely.

when hes mafia I think he forces more answers than he does questions. does anyone else have this experience with him?

like his mafia reads lists a few games ago was a perfect example of having more answers than questions

[sweetandcool]

Do you think you can do better than 25% in identify mafia and getting them DKed D1?

Assume I'm town, and if you are town then randomly voting for someone else gives 50%, which is a lot more exciting that 25%.

If the reason for saying 50% here was that you thought there were 3 mafia out of 8 players, so that assuming you were town would give me a 3 in 6 chance of randomly voting for mafia, why didn't you question my 25% chance of a 1 in 8 random event selecting a mafia, if you thought that would be 3/8 instead of 2/8?

I was baffled, but in past games you've pulled out numbers that didn't make sense to me. Didn't have time to figure it out, didn't really care either because all it meant in the end is you probably weren't into my idea.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE worcej

I think since we now have a second mis-kill available, we should go with the simplest explanation today. If worcej turns out to be town, Hamilton Brian and sweetandcool seem like possibilities, as ND was scum reading both of them early and could have been going with the more conventional approach of distancing from him teammate.

[sweetandcool]

I think it is interesting that sweetandcool and worcej are not considering each other as potential mafia more than they seems to be, but at least one of them must be town.

Mainly, I just don't see the argument against worcej. Damo seems much more suspicious.

[worcej]

I think we've crossed the line from "possible townslip" to "performative dim-ness" and I think I might just like to ##Vote Sweetandcool.

So your theory is that for my first game as Mafia I've decided to act like a dunce with the hope that I get townread for it?

Do you think it's more likely than me being distracted and unfocused because of my vacation?

It is indeed weird the level of assumptions that the remaining scum player is making mistakes or being blatantly open with connections, while also assuming scum would be less risky in their gameplay…