M1026: ghughog Day [Game Thread]

[worcej]

##Vote ND

His rudeness seems a forced attempt to resurrect his old meta.

this is actually a very solid reason to vote ND. and this is also true. ND was trying to resurrect his old angry grouchface meta. the thing I question is not if Jamie is good enough to get this answer right, this fast, this easy. Jamie is totally able to acknowledge something like this and catch it for exactly what it is.

my question is, does scum Jamie see ND playing this badly and flailing this hard, and looking this fake and say to himself: "well I have to bus because ND is playing like a maniac"

IMHO, I do not think Jamie is scum here. Jamie is calculating and will bus for benefit, but the initial vote and attention was far to early and he never moved off.

[worcej]

the thing is though worcej was being nice to ND. and was saying how happy he was to see him back. and was claiming ND is a straight shooter who tells it like it is. much of this maybe comes from a mutual dislike of durga. but if that was the rallying cry for everyone being friends sure myself and you jamie wouldve been added to the love circle.

I just like ND as a person/player lol...

[brainbomb]

maybe it actually is s&c

gonna reread some things

[worcej]

I do not think that by itself makes you the most likely to be the remaining mafia, but Jamie, HB, and brainbomb voted for ND, ND looked to be setting sweetandcool up for a mis-kill, and damo's EOD votes helped get ND DKed, despite damo never voting for ND.

So you think it's more likely that I buddied ND and, if I am scum, was doing my best to protect my partner?

You think that's more probable than a scum bus here?

Yes, I think it more probable than the remaining scum bussing, but I would not rule out bussing.

Finally - a commitment of an opinion!

So I can conclude you think scum would be less risk taking due to game size?

[worcej]

Don't think there's anything else to say at this point. Shall we hammer the night?

PS @worcej as the inevitable D2 kill do you want to concede and make this the shortest game ever?

Woah, why is worcej the kill D2??? Why are you so certain?

We don't have to be certain for worcej to be the obvious D2 DK.

You're missing the point that establishing me as a "certain" kill by damo is not on-par with the general consensus of the game. Only you have been preparing the noose for my neck before the sun has risen.

[worcej]

The WIFOM being: was he being pleasant because they were his pal, or because he wants us to think they were his pal.

Also, since worcej was being nice despite ND's abrasiveness, maybe ND didn't feel like they could organically pull off being mean to him too.

I just don't know if any of this is meaningful.

This what I think also, they could have purposely been doing something mafia would not typically do.

With zero coordination ability, I think it's weird to assume this.

What is your opinion of my scum play?

[bozotheclown]

Wassup players, it's my birthday today so I claim immunity to death. :D

As usual, I'll be your solid town core that manages to aggravate a few of you into believing I'm team Mafia.

Because I'm on vacation you will notice a marked difference in how I play for the first week of the game.

I suggest ya'll choose to believe my previous statement that I'm town. Then fellow townies will have narrowed their suspect pool to 6, giving 50% of catching Mafia D1.

That's all for a while, auf wiedersehen!

Also, I just realized, are there only two Mafia? I thought there were two goons and a factional roleblocker, but I'm starting to believe that is not the case.

If this was a fake town slip, sweetandcool was setting it up since his first post. I am not sure if this makes it more or less likely that it is fake.

[worcej]

Woah, why is worcej the kill D2??? Why are you so certain?

Only presented reasoning was Bozo's - damo's presumption that I am the guaranteed kill is unknown.

damo made it clear that he did not think bussing was particularly likely.

That isn't enough of a reasoning to put me as the certain kill on D2

[bozotheclown]

So you think it's more likely that I buddied ND and, if I am scum, was doing my best to protect my partner?

You think that's more probable than a scum bus here?

Yes, I think it more probable than the remaining scum bussing, but I would not rule out bussing.

Finally - a commitment of an opinion!

So I can conclude you think scum would be less risk taking due to game size?

I am not sure what you consider a risk, but with only 2 mafia I think the goal for mafia would likely be to get a D1 mis-kill.

[damo666]

Also, I just realized, are there only two Mafia? I thought there were two goons and a factional roleblocker, but I'm starting to believe that is not the case.

Fayk

[bozotheclown]

The WIFOM being: was he being pleasant because they were his pal, or because he wants us to think they were his pal.

Also, since worcej was being nice despite ND's abrasiveness, maybe ND didn't feel like they could organically pull off being mean to him too.

I just don't know if any of this is meaningful.

This what I think also, they could have purposely been doing something mafia would not typically do.

With zero coordination ability, I think it's weird to assume this.

What is your opinion of my scum play?

I think you are generally capable of looking like town as mafia. I also think you are capable of anticipating that looking like you are trying to pocket your mafia teammate could provide better distancing than scum reading them.

[worcej]

Yes, I think it more probable than the remaining scum bussing, but I would not rule out bussing.

Finally - a commitment of an opinion!

So I can conclude you think scum would be less risk taking due to game size?

I am not sure what you consider a risk, but with only 2 mafia I think the goal for mafia would likely be to get a D1 mis-kill.

Okay, how about this way: Do you believe that scum would buddy versus bus in this game?

[worcej]

This what I think also, they could have purposely been doing something mafia would not typically do.

With zero coordination ability, I think it's weird to assume this.

What is your opinion of my scum play?

I think you are generally capable of looking like town as mafia. I also think you are capable of anticipating that looking like you are trying to pocket your mafia teammate could provide better distancing than scum reading them.

So you're scum read of me is on the basis that you think I would "reverse-Uno" the game - effectively I'd do the opposite of anticipated plays?

[bozotheclown]

Finally - a commitment of an opinion!

So I can conclude you think scum would be less risk taking due to game size?

I am not sure what you consider a risk, but with only 2 mafia I think the goal for mafia would likely be to get a D1 mis-kill.

Okay, how about this way: Do you believe that scum would buddy versus bus in this game?

I would think not doing either would be most likely, but that apparently is not the case in this game.

[worcej]

I am not sure what you consider a risk, but with only 2 mafia I think the goal for mafia would likely be to get a D1 mis-kill.

Okay, how about this way: Do you believe that scum would buddy versus bus in this game?

I would think not doing either would be most likely, but that apparently is not the case in this game.

Is the only reason "hat apparently is not the case in this game" is because you scum read me?

[damo666]

Woah, why is worcej the kill D2??? Why are you so certain?

We don't have to be certain for worcej to be the obvious D2 DK.

You're missing the point that establishing me as a "certain" kill by damo is not on-par with the general consensus of the game. Only you have been preparing the noose for my neck before the sun has risen.

Not certain but most likely and I used inevitable to push it.

Worcej and sweet were the only people to not contribute to ND's demise. I think worcej more likely to be voted than sweet so there you are.

[bozotheclown]

With zero coordination ability, I think it's weird to assume this.

What is your opinion of my scum play?

I think you are generally capable of looking like town as mafia. I also think you are capable of anticipating that looking like you are trying to pocket your mafia teammate could provide better distancing than scum reading them.

So you're scum read of me is on the basis that you think I would "reverse-Uno" the game - effectively I'd do the opposite of anticipated plays?

Again, that is not why I think you are a good scum candidate, that is why I think your interaction with ND is NAI. The reason I think you are a good scum candidate is POE, although I do think your N1 activity is more in line with deciding who to NK than trying to identify the remaining mafia.

[bozotheclown]

Okay, how about this way: Do you believe that scum would buddy versus bus in this game?

I would think not doing either would be most likely, but that apparently is not the case in this game.

Is the only reason "hat apparently is not the case in this game" is because you scum read me?

No, it is because everyone either voted for ND, was scum read by him, or "pocketed" by him.

[sweetandcool]

Also, I just realized, are there only two Mafia? I thought there were two goons and a factional roleblocker, but I'm starting to believe that is not the case.

I like this town slip.

I'm an expert townslipper. It helps that I'm always town

[worcej]

I think you are generally capable of looking like town as mafia. I also think you are capable of anticipating that looking like you are trying to pocket your mafia teammate could provide better distancing than scum reading them.

So you're scum read of me is on the basis that you think I would "reverse-Uno" the game - effectively I'd do the opposite of anticipated plays?

Again, that is not why I think you are a good scum candidate, that is why I think your interaction with ND is NAI. The reason I think you are a good scum candidate is POE, although I do think your N1 activity is more in line with deciding who to NK than trying to identify the remaining mafia.

Time to unpack some stuff.

Is the POE only sweet, damo, and myself - all of whom didn't end up on ND?

You think my activity is figuring out who to NK? You seem to imply I am a competent scum player, yet think I would do stupid stuff at the same time.