M1026: ghughog Day [Game Thread]

[Jamiet99uk]

Note that even though Town has started well, we don't have the luxury of more than 1-2 mis-kills, due to the very small game size.

The remaining Mafioso could win this. Let's be careful.

Good luck tonight, Doc.

[bozotheclown]

well in that situation it felt like the only other person there was damo and we were not going to get the votes needed to kill anyone other than ND. I also had been townreading bozo strongly and was willing to just follow him instead if your wagon wasnt gonna happen there

Your vote on Hamilton caused a 3-3 tie with the ND wagon. Hamilton was a viable wagon and Bozo had just said that he would be willing to join the Hamilton wagon. You left your vote on Hamilton for around 45 seconds which didn't give Bozo very much time to join you.

Why do you scumread me?

I never said I would be willing to vote for HB. I agree that the HB vote does look like a possible attempt to save ND, but I think it is also consistent with town not knowing who is mafia.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bozo - your top scumreads appear to be Brainbomb and Damo, is that right?

No, I think damo's EOD voting looks town indicative. I think it could just be worcej.

Why did you address the Damo part of the question only, and not the Brainbomb part?

Earlier tonight you said this:

Brainbomb's vote for HB at EOD could have been an attempt to save ND, so he could have gone for bussing credit in the last minute when the only other choice was to have caused a tie.

Now you have changed your mind, is that so?

[bozotheclown]

Don't think there's anything else to say at this point. Shall we hammer the night?

PS @worcej as the inevitable D2 kill do you want to concede and make this the shortest game ever?

Woah, why is worcej the kill D2??? Why are you so certain?

We don't have to be certain for worcej to be the obvious D2 DK.

[Jamiet99uk]

well in that situation it felt like the only other person there was damo and we were not going to get the votes needed to kill anyone other than ND. I also had been townreading bozo strongly and was willing to just follow him instead if your wagon wasnt gonna happen there

Your vote on Hamilton caused a 3-3 tie with the ND wagon. Hamilton was a viable wagon and Bozo had just said that he would be willing to join the Hamilton wagon. You left your vote on Hamilton for around 45 seconds which didn't give Bozo very much time to join you.

Why do you scumread me?

I never said I would be willing to vote for HB.

Then what did this post mean exactly?

Let's find out. ##vote Ham.

That works also.

I assumed that saying a Hamilton wagon "works" implied you supported that wagon.

No?

[bozotheclown]

Also, I just realized, are there only two Mafia? I thought there were two goons and a factional roleblocker, but I'm starting to believe that is not the case.

I like this town slip.

[bozotheclown]

VCA makes Ham look better.

damo's switch to HB at 4 minutes helped get ND DKed, though.

[bozotheclown]

The WIFOM being: was he being pleasant because they were his pal, or because he wants us to think they were his pal.

Also, since worcej was being nice despite ND's abrasiveness, maybe ND didn't feel like they could organically pull off being mean to him too.

I just don't know if any of this is meaningful.

This what I think also, they could have purposely been doing something mafia would not typically do.

[bozotheclown]

This is a great question. I am not sure what I think the answer is, but I'll tell you what I did notice. There was one specific person that ND was noticeably cordial and pleasant with. Do you know who I mean?

worgech

That's right, it was Worcej. There was a whole section on page 7 where ND was polite and nice to Worcej.

But why would he treat his team mate totally differently than everyone else? ND is not entirely stupid. Surely he would realise this would stand out?

Perhaps he was trying to pocket Worcej, or falsely condemn him if he (ND) was the first Mafia to die.

Or, maybe that is what they wanted you to think, a type of reverse distancing. That is why it is WIFOM.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, I just realized, are there only two Mafia? I thought there were two goons and a factional roleblocker, but I'm starting to believe that is not the case.

I like this town slip.

Town slips can be faked.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo - your top scumreads appear to be Brainbomb and Damo, is that right?

No, I think damo's EOD voting looks town indicative. I think it could just be worcej.

Why did you address the Damo part of the question only, and not the Brainbomb part?

Earlier tonight you said this:

Brainbomb's vote for HB at EOD could have been an attempt to save ND, so he could have gone for bussing credit in the last minute when the only other choice was to have caused a tie.

Now you have changed your mind, is that so?

I still think that is possible, but I never said I thought that was more likely than worcej being the remaining mafia.

[bozotheclown]

Your vote on Hamilton caused a 3-3 tie with the ND wagon. Hamilton was a viable wagon and Bozo had just said that he would be willing to join the Hamilton wagon. You left your vote on Hamilton for around 45 seconds which didn't give Bozo very much time to join you.

Why do you scumread me?

I never said I would be willing to vote for HB.

Then what did this post mean exactly?

Let's find out. ##vote Ham.

That works also.

I assumed that saying a Hamilton wagon "works" implied you supported that wagon.

No?

No, I meant that damo broke the 3-3 tie between you and ND by moving his vote to HB, so even though he was not willing to vote for ND to break the tie, voting for HB "works also", in that it put ND in the lead.

[bozotheclown]

Also, I just realized, are there only two Mafia? I thought there were two goons and a factional roleblocker, but I'm starting to believe that is not the case.

I like this town slip.

Town slips can be faked.

I didn't say it was 100% believable, but I liked it if it was fake.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thank you for those Bozoclarifications. I have no further queries.

You may now commence your nightly magnetic tape backup sequences.

[worcej]

Well someone other than me knows it's not me and as far as I know it could be you.

I think both my late votes Ham to Jam and vice versa are pretty own indicative. If we assume no bussers due to game size that only leaves sweet and worcej.

Do you feel scum would not bus here?

I don't like damo's assertion because it seems ...shit, can't think of the word...absolutist? However, there is a point making me reconsider. Game size? In this small of a game is it worth the risk?

Jumping down further to jamie's point that as mafia he totally does it. I think the thing holding it up is the size vs risk.

Well, do you think the smaller game size increases the likelihood of someone being risky or is it less likely?

[worcej]

My suspect list is worcej>>>>>>Jamie>brain>>>>>>sweet

I'll be surprised if the NK is outside bozo/me/Ham

I think worcej being the D2 kill looks inevitable.

I also think there's a 66% chance of at least one doc save in the first two nights so even if worcej flips town we're still in decent shape.

Wcs worcej town, no saves, last three me, Jamie, brain.

Why am I top suspect?

[worcej]

Don't think there's anything else to say at this point. Shall we hammer the night?

PS @worcej as the inevitable D2 kill do you want to concede and make this the shortest game ever?

Again, why am I top suspect to you?

[worcej]

Don't think there's anything else to say at this point. Shall we hammer the night?

PS @worcej as the inevitable D2 kill do you want to concede and make this the shortest game ever?

No, I want to talk about why I'm your #2 suspect.

Why am I your #2 suspect?

I sussed out that ND's abrasive attitude was fake, I called this out and voted him for it, and I was right.

Your propensity for bussing but you're a long way behind worcej. No other reason. Content wise I don't particularly scumread anyone. I'm basing everything mostly on VCA.

Why am I your top scum read?

(triple post for emphasis)

[worcej]

Don't think there's anything else to say at this point. Shall we hammer the night?

PS @worcej as the inevitable D2 kill do you want to concede and make this the shortest game ever?

Woah, why is worcej the kill D2??? Why are you so certain?

Only presented reasoning was Bozo's - damo's presumption that I am the guaranteed kill is unknown.

[bozotheclown]

Don't think there's anything else to say at this point. Shall we hammer the night?

PS @worcej as the inevitable D2 kill do you want to concede and make this the shortest game ever?

Woah, why is worcej the kill D2??? Why are you so certain?

Only presented reasoning was Bozo's - damo's presumption that I am the guaranteed kill is unknown.

damo made it clear that he did not think bussing was particularly likely.