M1026: ghughog Day [Game Thread]

[damo666]

Right now I would suggest DKing worcej D2, then if he is town, no-kill D3 to make it 2-1, if there are no doctor saves.

Happy with that.

[brainbomb]

From the Maf Chat

ND: you people are just a bunch of sniveling hilary apologists. LOCK HER UP

worcej: I… Okay first off youre supposed to be dead. and like… bro I voted for Jill Stein

ND: Rigged election, just like todays voting. rigged voting machines

worcej: man I missed you. please never leave.

(ND has been removed from maf chat by mods)

worcej: well fuck

[Jamiet99uk]

Let's just put some things down, for the record:

1. ND's strongest "townread" was Damo.

2. ND's main "suspects" were Sweetandcool, and Bozo.

3. ND pushed a wagon on Hamilton Brian pretty hard.

4. Bozo and Hamilton, with me, voted ND for a good time before EoD.

5. With 12 minutes to go, Brainbomb declared that he town-read ND. However, with 1 minute to go, he voted ND.

6. Worcej very slightly defended ND's "posting style" and had ND as a townread.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think, based on your first 3 points, that ND was going to make sure they pulled half the town with them if they did get killed.

[worcej]

Even with the possibility of a busser, I would consider DKing worcej next based on this:

##vote sweetandcool

I think the Hamilton situation is too obviously lackluster, even for him, for me to think it's scum motivated.

I don't particularly think ND is scum here based off his level of activity.

Sweet seems like a good place to start. Would be willing to entertain a damo vote too fwiw

Do you think ND is typically less active as mafia than as town?

I honestly don't recall - he's been gone for awhile and I think posting volume/activity is NAI because of it.

Why do you think ND is not mafia based on his level of activity if his activity is NAI?

The content of his posts and style.

When I pointed out the contradiction, worcej said it was the content of ND's posts that made him think ND was town, but in the first post worcej clearly said it was the level of his activity, not the content.

I think this is fair for you to nit pick, but I will admit I felt it doesn’t matter what my opinion on ND was, you were going to find a way to not like my reasoning.

[worcej]

@bozo - do you think I am more likely to townread my scum teammates or scum them?

[worcej]

Well this ain't gonna last long. The other one must be worcej or sweet surely.

How do we know it is not you?

Well someone other than me knows it's not me and as far as I know it could be you.

I think both my late votes Ham to Jam and vice versa are pretty own indicative. If we assume no bussers due to game size that only leaves sweet and worcej.

Do you feel scum would not bus here?

[bozotheclown]

@bozo - do you think I am more likely to townread my scum teammates or scum them?

I do think mafia players typically don't go out of their way to town read their teammates, but I don't think that is conclusive. It was not you town reading ND that I found suspicious, it was your reason.

[worcej]

Even with the possibility of a busser, I would consider DKing worcej next based on this:

##vote sweetandcool

I think the Hamilton situation is too obviously lackluster, even for him, for me to think it's scum motivated.

I don't particularly think ND is scum here based off his level of activity.

Sweet seems like a good place to start. Would be willing to entertain a damo vote too fwiw

Do you think ND is typically less active as mafia than as town?

I honestly don't recall - he's been gone for awhile and I think posting volume/activity is NAI because of it.

Why do you think ND is not mafia based on his level of activity if his activity is NAI?

The content of his posts and style.

When I pointed out the contradiction, worcej said it was the content of ND's posts that made him think ND was town, but in the first post worcej clearly said it was the level of his activity, not the content.

Circling back to this analysis by bozo - nothing I said was a contradiction or lie. His activity does not exclusively mean post count, style is a part of that.

[worcej]

@bozo - do you think I am more likely to townread my scum teammates or scum them?

I do think mafia players typically don't go out of their way to town read their teammates, but I don't think that is conclusive. It was not you town reading ND that I found suspicious, it was your reason.

Cross posted - okay, so which do you think more likely than: I am scum who attempted to buddy my own teammate in an effort to draw votes away from him or a townie that was explaining he enjoys ND style and activity, which you’re concluding as a contradiction.

[worcej]

You may not like my reasoning, but explain how that reasoning makes me most likely his partner?

[brainbomb]

Let's just put some things down, for the record:

1. ND's strongest "townread" was Damo.

2. ND's main "suspects" were Sweetandcool, and Bozo.

3. ND pushed a wagon on Hamilton Brian pretty hard.

4. Bozo and Hamilton, with me, voted ND for a good time before EoD.

5. With 12 minutes to go, Brainbomb declared that he town-read ND. However, with 1 minute to go, he voted ND.

6. Worcej very slightly defended ND's "posting style" and had ND as a townread.

okay can you sum up your conclusions and plans on who to vote for based on this then?

[sweetandcool]

Huh, shocked ND was voted, and a bit surprised they were Mafia.

Makes me look bad because for once I didn't catch scum that was pushing me.

Obviously I need to do analysis of votes and what happened, but to explain with clarity where I was when I made my final vote:

I townread ND for aggressively being poopy.
I thought Ham seemed a bit suspicious.
I felt like Jamiet has been incredibly jokey with no substance and that seemed wrong to me.
To a lesser extent I felt that way about worcej.
I thought Brainbomb was being a bit weird with their opinion of me.

Everyone else was null essentially.

[bozotheclown]

Even with the possibility of a busser, I would consider DKing worcej next based on this:

##vote sweetandcool

I think the Hamilton situation is too obviously lackluster, even for him, for me to think it's scum motivated.

I don't particularly think ND is scum here based off his level of activity.

Sweet seems like a good place to start. Would be willing to entertain a damo vote too fwiw

I honestly don't recall - he's been gone for awhile and I think posting volume/activity is NAI because of it.

The content of his posts and style.

When I pointed out the contradiction, worcej said it was the content of ND's posts that made him think ND was town, but in the first post worcej clearly said it was the level of his activity, not the content.

Circling back to this analysis by bozo - nothing I said was a contradiction or lie. His activity does not exclusively mean post count, style is a part of that.

In the first post, you said "level of activity", which I interpreted as quantity, not as a measure of content.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo - do you think I am more likely to townread my scum teammates or scum them?

I do think mafia players typically don't go out of their way to town read their teammates, but I don't think that is conclusive. It was not you town reading ND that I found suspicious, it was your reason.

Cross posted - okay, so which do you think more likely than: I am scum who attempted to buddy my own teammate in an effort to draw votes away from him or a townie that was explaining he enjoys ND style and activity, which you’re concluding as a contradiction.

It could be either one.

[brainbomb]

its actually pretty comical that im getting scumread or shaded to this high of a degree. ND said repeatedly im not my usual self which he wouldnt shed light on if I was his scum buddy

[bozotheclown]

You may not like my reasoning, but explain how that reasoning makes me most likely his partner?

I do not think that by itself makes you the most likely to be the remaining mafia, but Jamie, HB, and brainbomb voted for ND, ND looked to be setting sweetandcool up for a mis-kill, and damo's EOD votes helped get ND DKed, despite damo never voting for ND.

[bozotheclown]

Huh, shocked ND was voted, and a bit surprised they were Mafia.

Makes me look bad because for once I didn't catch scum that was pushing me.

Obviously I need to do analysis of votes and what happened, but to explain with clarity where I was when I made my final vote:

I townread ND for aggressively being poopy.
I thought Ham seemed a bit suspicious.
I felt like Jamiet has been incredibly jokey with no substance and that seemed wrong to me.
To a lesser extent I felt that way about worcej.
I thought Brainbomb was being a bit weird with their opinion of me.

Everyone else was null essentially.

What do you think now?

[worcej]

Even with the possibility of a busser, I would consider DKing worcej next based on this:









When I pointed out the contradiction, worcej said it was the content of ND's posts that made him think ND was town, but in the first post worcej clearly said it was the level of his activity, not the content.

Circling back to this analysis by bozo - nothing I said was a contradiction or lie. His activity does not exclusively mean post count, style is a part of that.

In the first post, you said "level of activity", which I interpreted as quantity, not as a measure of content.

That's fine for you to interpret that way, but to not ask for clarity and jump at this seems opportunistic.

I do think mafia players typically don't go out of their way to town read their teammates, but I don't think that is conclusive. It was not you town reading ND that I found suspicious, it was your reason.

Cross posted - okay, so which do you think more likely than: I am scum who attempted to buddy my own teammate in an effort to draw votes away from him or a townie that was explaining he enjoys ND style and activity, which you’re concluding as a contradiction.

It could be either one.

Right, but you need to make a decision on which one is more likely, not dodge the question.

[worcej]

You may not like my reasoning, but explain how that reasoning makes me most likely his partner?

I do not think that by itself makes you the most likely to be the remaining mafia, but Jamie, HB, and brainbomb voted for ND, ND looked to be setting sweetandcool up for a mis-kill, and damo's EOD votes helped get ND DKed, despite damo never voting for ND.

So you think it's more likely that I buddied ND and, if I am scum, was doing my best to protect my partner?

You think that's more probable than a scum bus here?