M82: Magic the Gathering Mafia [Game Thread]

[Foxcastle]

I'm mostly going to wait to see what the nightkill is before doing much more work, as I have some theories that may implicate some names, and I would like to avoid giving the scum team more information.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think that makes sense. There’s 3, maybe 4, people I feel like i really need to focus on. But there’s no reason not to keep cards close to our chests.

[sweetandcool]

Also, Kak, your vote for Ham was invalid.

I'm prety sure it was

But for now I try to make the best of it. Maybe fox isn't the answer. So I think we should go ##vote brian

well looks good to me, why would it be invalid?

Any human could tell you meant Ham, but for the bot you've got to start the vote with "Ham".

But yeah, obviously an honest mistake. And given that you were around beginning of the day, and the fact that the day shorten was announced hours later, it's obvious that you didn't know about the day shorten and it's entirely reasonable that you didn't check in during the first 24 hours.

I know the modkill threat for not voting is standard, but in an exceptional and unfair situation where many players would reasonably expect to be able to check in after 24 hrs (provided they were here at beginning of day), it was in poor taste.

You have every right to be upset for getting officially warned, it's bogus.

That all being said, people so make mistakes, even the GM who probably does not feel good about this. It's just extremely unfortunate that it became a large series of mistakes.

[Bonatogether]

explain

Why must someone make a reaction post to a death? Is this some sort of expectation? What could motivate you to point such a thing out? Did you have a motive to attempting to make Bunny look bad?

Is this on the same level as Kak mom-ming you D1 for appearing online but not posting? Or is it something more? Perhaps.

no one has to have a reaction post, but presumably they have something to say, whether it be reaction post or something moving the game onwards.

not sure what your second sentence means

what could motivate me to point it out? i thought it was non-obvious why it was happening and i wanted to know why.

like i said early, it only makes sense for scum in a few very limited cases, so i can't imagine that anyone would draw the conclusion that bongo is scum from that.

i don't understand

[BunnyGo]

explain

Why must someone make a reaction post to a death? Is this some sort of expectation? What could motivate you to point such a thing out? Did you have a motive to attempting to make Bunny look bad?

Is this on the same level as Kak mom-ming you D1 for appearing online but not posting? Or is it something more? Perhaps.

no one has to have a reaction post, but presumably they have something to say, whether it be reaction post or something moving the game onwards.

not sure what your second sentence means

what could motivate me to point it out? i thought it was non-obvious why it was happening and i wanted to know why.

like i said early, it only makes sense for scum in a few very limited cases, so i can't imagine that anyone would draw the conclusion that bongo is scum from that.

i don't understand

Sweet is saying you’re scum for saying something.

Sweet is also being a *******.

I’m tempted to vote sweet no matter what tomorrow.

[sweetandcool]

Why must someone make a reaction post to a death? Is this some sort of expectation? What could motivate you to point such a thing out? Did you have a motive to attempting to make Bunny look bad?

Is this on the same level as Kak mom-ming you D1 for appearing online but not posting? Or is it something more? Perhaps.

no one has to have a reaction post, but presumably they have something to say, whether it be reaction post or something moving the game onwards.

not sure what your second sentence means

what could motivate me to point it out? i thought it was non-obvious why it was happening and i wanted to know why.

like i said early, it only makes sense for scum in a few very limited cases, so i can't imagine that anyone would draw the conclusion that bongo is scum from that.

i don't understand

Sweet is saying you’re scum for saying something.

Sweet is also being a *******.

I’m tempted to vote sweet no matter what tomorrow.

Oh dear Bunny, what nerve has been stricken?

[sweetandcool]

As a rule I'm going to essentially believe any IRL claims, so I refuse to pass judgement on rdr and I assume they were traveling. NAI

except mine...cool

This? I wasn't claiming you looked scummy for it, though in hindsight I can see how you would think so
Bunnyclear

[sweetandcool]

Why must someone make a reaction post to a death? Is this some sort of expectation? What could motivate you to point such a thing out? Did you have a motive to attempting to make Bunny look bad?

Is this on the same level as Kak mom-ming you D1 for appearing online but not posting? Or is it something more? Perhaps.

no one has to have a reaction post, but presumably they have something to say, whether it be reaction post or something moving the game onwards.

not sure what your second sentence means

what could motivate me to point it out? i thought it was non-obvious why it was happening and i wanted to know why.

like i said early, it only makes sense for scum in a few very limited cases, so i can't imagine that anyone would draw the conclusion that bongo is scum from that.

i don't understand

Sweet is saying you’re scum for saying something.

Sweet is also being a *******.

I’m tempted to vote sweet no matter what tomorrow.

Also, inaccurate. Huge difference between a scum accusation and this.

[sweetandcool]

Alright, pretty sure I've nailed at least two scum. Scumpool is out of 4 so there is a small chance I messed one up. I will post the juicy stuff near EoN, as is tradition. I assume I will die but it will be worth nailing them.

And in the event I don't die I fully expect scum to come guns blazing pointing out I didn't die, but jokes on them because I'm obvious locktown and only a fool couldn't see that.

Ive been giving you a pass, but could you explain why you are locktown this game?

You constantly did not understand last game why anyone would townread you. You were constantly questioning me, and anyone townreading you.

So why the sudden change?

im trying to distinguish between two things here. Scum are probably trying to come up with a plan since theyre almost half the game population now, so they need a plan to credibly vote any remaining town that is being voted by other town.

For town, not that much wouldve changed. Worcej flipped, so 1 slot in their reads might be wrong. Its mainly scum that need major revisionist moves here.

Even though they really do not need it since itll just be an end of day major vote move.

I'll try to address this during the day if I survive. Too busy and unimportant right now.

[sweetandcool]

Alright, managed to complete my draft which I will post EoN.

So I can rest assured that if I die we will still win.

It will be interesting to see who they NK. I think likely not me, because their best play is to try to discredit me, I think. But I'm feeling pretty confident in town.

Of course, I'm sure they are considering whether this is a ploy to get them to kill me, and consequently they won't kill me (softing a PR). But I'm clever enough to know what it looks like, so it could well be the case that I am a PR and am using reverse psychology to ensure they don't NK me.

It's a true WIFOM and I take pleasure in knowing that I'm making them squirm.

[Hamilton Brian]

That’s more than a little inyeeesting.

[Kakarroto]

Woah, Kak didn't actually fully translate that German card earlier.

Care to explain this? "(c)1994 Zauberer der Küste" (I know)

The question is, was Kak trying to encode some information, was it an honest mistake, or was it a scumslip?

Thoughts?

this is just the part of the card where the company is placed. Since it was already in English, I changed it to German as it is pretty common in translations when something is in the origin language already to change it so people notice that. Like in manga where when people speak English it's put into Japanese.

To be fair, I struggled a bit with the word wizard, since 'Magier' could be used too, but then there is the English mage. 'Zauberer' sometimes is used for Sorcerer, but I don't like this translation, because 'Hexer' fits Sorcerer much better and while a 'Zauberer' can be a bit more in range than just what the English wizard does, it's more fitting in my opinion. I mean, maybe professional translators disagree, but that's what is closer in my native opinion.

Ah yeah, there is also the thing "von der" instead of just "der" (regarding the 'of' in 'wizards of the coast', but in German you can leave that 'von' out in that case since 'der' is already in the grammatic case that implies this word so it isn't really needed. And maybe I should've used "Strand" instead of "Küste", but "Zauberer vom Strand" (notice that in this case 'von dem' was shortened into 'vom') (and 'der' became 'dem' because of the changed gender of the noun) just sounds so comically bad that I just couldn't do it. And it sounds more like 'wizards of the beach' anyway so probably good thing I didn't change it into that.

I don't see what you mean with mistake exactly? Or did you mean the 'of'-thing I mentioned?

(also I waited just in case giving the mafia any information or thoughts for/over the code you mentioned and when I see you online sweet so you could react before EoN. But I wanted to post it so you can still react in case you're todays target)

[BunnyGo]

I, Bunny, of sound mind and body leave my last testament.

Kaka is town. Do not vote him ever.

Bona is town. Do not vote him.

rdr is sus as anything. Vote him.

Vecna and Fox have at least one wolf among them. Find the wolf(s) there.

Sweet has since reneged on his "townslip"--it turns out it wasn't one. Vote him at will.

I have no idea about Hamilton Brian.

[sweetandcool]

Unfortunately, last night was extremely busy, I made a delicious lavender cake for my MIL for her birthday today and I didn't get to draft this, and this morning isn't much better.

I will have to focus on conclusions and hope I'm not the NK so that I have more time to properly convince.

Kak: 100% Townclear. We all thought he was clear, possibly with some small lingering doubts. I don't want to get into it, but the whole GM fiasco definitely absolves him.

Vecna: Townclear. I think Mafia would be more likely to be around BoD, and Vecna was not. Also, up until their appearance D2 they were looking very suspicious which doesn't seem scum motivated. The main reason they are clear though is their D2 analysis was totally Townie. The only weird thing to me is that their reads didn't seem to quite match their analysis, but I'm still very comfortable slotting them into Town (and it's possible I just need to reread and find out my comprehension is poor).

sweetandcool: I'm not going to spend time defending myself tonight, especially since I may well be the NK. I do think it's reasonable to suspect me, sadly. But I think I can put up a reasonable defense that will hold tomorrow. I am baffled by Bunny's latest reaction. I thought I "townslipped" and so it's possible I was too confident and overplayed my performance tonight.

BunnyGo: Townclear. This one takes a lot more argument than I have time to give, and there's a small chance they are having a great enough scum game to fool me. I'll just point out two things. First, if Bunny is scum they've been TOO obvious. Their rabid pushes against me have been a bit much. But then secondly, their whole "did sweet townslip?" bit would just be too performative and clever for them to be scum. Or it's incredible play and I am wrong

Unfortunately, my scum arguments are not as strong, but if the town reads stick then we've almost won.

Fox: Fox is scum. I think Fox decided to replay M80 and take on X's role, except Fox wanted to be more clever about it. I know I'm pretty new to this game, but the type of argument Fox and I were engaged in seems to almost universally get people town read, at least for a while. It wasn't quite as vehement, due to me attempting to not stoke the fire (I am proud that I managed not to, because it could have easily turned into a series of wallposts like it tends to like sweetandcool vs brainbomb). Still, ghug was reading it that way, that it was a T v T argument and I decided to trust ghug's opinion.

But I think ghug was wrong in the end. Fox and I were the only ones there at EoD2, and that is suspicious for both of us. Mafia would want to be able to control the EoD, and while the day shortener was liable to mess with Town activity, I don't think even Mafia could expect that only one townsperson would show up. Since Worcej was on the block, neither of us had to move our vote. But Fox was on the closest counterwagon (Bona, who I think is likely a scum partner), and needed to be there just in case Bona got put on the block.

Bona and rdr: It hurts that I didn't get to draft this last night, because I may have an actual argument for Bona, but I've clean forgot it. So I'm purely relying on POE here. I'm sorry. (I've also never seen Bona as scum, so that doesn't help, especially since I've liked their vibe a lot this game).

Ham: Ham has been constantly acting suspicious this game. His behaviour EoD1 was bizarre. During N1 he immediately agrees with Fox's analysis without even addressing Bona's or mine. I think he slipped here and wanted to agree with his scumbuddy, Fox, and forgot to put in any sort of work to cover his tracks. I don't have time to convincingly address his D2, but it aligns with what I would expect Mafia to do, given that they knew from the start that the day would be shortened.

Don't forget, Mafia KNEW the day would be shortened. I didn't notice anyone acting weird before the GM finally announced it, but it does make sense they may anxiously hand around until the announcement occured, since it would have been baffling.

Final conclusion: I am really confident about Fox and Ham. And actually, given Ham's interactions with Bona, I would say they are likely not partners. And since the only players left in the scumpool are Bona and rdr, we can conclude rdr is our final guy.

Mafia: Fox, Ham, and rdr.

Possible mistakes but I really doubt it: Vecna or Bunny could have had moments of amazing performance. If either of them are Mafia they deserve the win. We can't afford to be consumed by doubt, so we just can't afford to suspect them.

[Hamilton Brian]

Thoughts for now, and again shitty given my cottage time.

Town: fox, Vecna,
Soso: Kak, bunny

Sus: Rivera, sweet, Bona,

Not sure the mishap with Kak is town “mess up” or underhanded mafia mess.

Bona always rubs me wrong;l. Contentious in other games.

Sweet and Rivera both on the two town flips. Not solid but a starting point.

[Foxcastle]

Won't vote:

Vecna -- Vecna could very well be the fearkill tonight. If he's not, I don't know what to do with the chance that he could be playing a great game as scum, and it's possible scum is gambling that we'll turn on him because "he should be dead by now." If Vecna is the night kill, there is unfortunately little to read into that.

Bunny -- Not convinced that Bunny would be taking this tone as scum. Maybe. I think the main thing to say is that he and sweet are not scum together. Also possibly a nightkill candidate, as Bunny could very well come alive late game, in which case it may be worth thinking about who would do that. Probably not Rdr, but I think it makes sense that Kak, Bona, or Sweet could push that NK.

Hamilton -- Still not sure that Kak-Hamilton works as a team.

Would vote:

Kak -- I think he was saved D1, and I think he planned on avoiding D2 knowing that it would be shortened.

Rdr -- There's a possibility that Rdr helped save Kak on D1 and Bona on D2. I'm not sure he'd be that blatant about it, though, and it may be a simpler explanation that a townie was wrong twice in a row (which happens plenty).

Sweet -- Could make sense as a Bona-Kak teammate.

Bona -- I think Bona helped save Kak D1 and I think he makes sense as Kak's partner.

[Kakarroto]

wisdom of the day (stolen from one of my friends): chess and uno are pretty similar games, in both you have proclaim one turn before you win that you are about to win

town (we should never vote them)
rd there has nothing happened that changed my view of him. I think even if someone comes out and proclaims "I've scanned rd he is mafia" or something like that, I probably believe rd first at this point.
sweet sweet just keeps looking good. I can't imagine him being mafia at this point. I can't even fault him for the meta read of me regarding the issue (we shall not talk of). I just hope he understands that I'm town and doesn't vote me so we lose.

unsure (one of them must be mafia)
bona I'm coming around to bona, I'm not sure though. I'm too scared to fully trust bona here since he isn't that obviously town as normally, but he was the follow up wagon yesterday and mafia wouldn't let that be, I think. Well, maybe, since we know worcej was town and two town (maybe three?) were on him.
Vecna seems he finally woke up. I like his thoughts on rd. Actually I like most of his thoughts. Well, other than regarding HB, I'm surprised he so easily towns HB. Also, the timing he came back just fits so perfectly for the shortener, it's uncanny. I mean ok, he played all friday so maybe it's because of all that, it would make full sense that he is here on saturday. I can feel that as a gamer. Still it would make so much sense. Hmm.
bunny I'm going on and off with thinking bunny is mafia. There are things that look strange, then there are moments where I can see where he's coming from. He also said the game was dead but I don't see him charging in to blow it up so it gets fully alive. Sure he did some things to relive the game, but I don't think it was fully dead and he didn't do too much of it. Also him missing phase change and posting his list a few minutes afterwards doesn't look too good.

mafia (vote them out)
brian brian is the whole time floaty and non-commital. Also he drops this "I'm not gonna be here much" and a little bit after then the day shortenage was announced. This just fits too much together with how he's playing the game and
fox did this this whole "next phase we shouldn't vote"thing. Proceeds to hammer out text walls of what looks like thoughts but strangely just comes to the very same conclusion. The whole thing feels like a planned setup. I know he is totally wrong on me.


maybe team: fox-brian-vecna: if mafia wanted to use the shorten day to control the narrative, it makes so much sense that fox and vecna were that active in that time period. This makes so much sense to me, but still I have my doubts on vecna. We should totally go for fox and brian though since I think they have the best chance of being mafia.

well it could also be fox-brian-bunny: but I don't see this overall plan and menace behind it. Maybe bunny wasn't too much involved in the planning. If we disregard the teams, I think vecna looks townier than bunny, but that fox-brian-vecna team makes so much sense.

[brainbomb]

Please Hold Phase Ends

[brainbomb]

In the night Gary found a card in his pillow.
It was a 0/3 wall of wood

Foxcastle has died he was Wall of Wood a Vanilla Town

[brainbomb]

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