M82: Magic the Gathering Mafia [Game Thread]

[Vecna]

but yeah, I should remember to vote. At the start of the game I had a bad feeling of about anyone who posted then, that went away though. From the rest of the game, I haven't seen too much what I'd deemed mafia would write.

I come back and back again to that strange fox post, where he said bona and me were nai but everyone else felt good and when I inquired about that because only one other player had posted at the time and it were only three words and he was so sure about that, even when he phrased it with 'everyone else'.

I mean with all the other posts, fox looks quite good, but that one strange post with that angle just gnaws and gnaws and I remember he also had some strange beginning posts when he was mafia in the pirate game.

So I'll ##vote Foxcastle because of that post

counter-point. example 1

[Vecna]

anyway, I wanted to say, bunny and rd can't be maf together. Both endvoting sweet in that way is no maf-behaviour, especially rd I can't see doing that if both are mafia. Honestly, I don't think maf-rd would even follow town-bunny in that way. So maybe rd is just town this game.

2

[Vecna]

well, I think I'll most likely be the vote today. I've practically softed vanilla (or at least a role that's worth losing to the vanillizer if he strucks as I've mentioned before) so don't expect any wild claims from me.

This and the slow day looks like mafia is very content with how the day went. Maybe none of them are currently in any danger.

Also it seems people don't believe in my townyness so it's pretty hard to change that. I can only hope you look closer to fox after I flip, although, even when I have strokes of genius, my maf-reads on D1 are a bit on the weak side. So don't blindly follow that, but don't forget it please.

At least now I think we don't have a vanillizer in the game, or if then they had chosen some strange wording. I suggest, if you are afraid, stay away from memes, sayings or somewhat unusual phrasings. Like: "I'll be back." or "Time to duel!" (Maybe it's time to d-d-d-d-d-duel?)

So at least communication should be better with the ongoing time when people don't have to pay attention to their words.

Gah, these "resigned to my fate" posts always get me.

What are your reads other than Fox?

well, I'm a bit sus on worcej that fox practically declared him town without anything, but maybe that makes worcej just town if fox flips mafia. Worcej was a bit tight-lipped this game, but I haven't seen anything from him until now that would me think he's mafia.

I don't like Vecna's behaviour and vote, with that timing, but Vecna's too experienced to do that as mafia, right? Then again, he could think that we think that he wouldn't do that so who knows exactly? (brain does, but I'm sure he doesn't help us here)

Bunny, bunny, bunny ... hmm. In the 0.000001% chance rd flips mafia, bunny is sure town. Other than that? Well he looked ok enough, I think he also asked good questions, so maybe mafia, but more eh, not quite. I'd investigate him further though for his actions in the future.

Bona irked me at the beginning, well the "he's here" "he's not" because of his computer is absolute nai, still, bona's kinda ... different. I guess I could see me voting him if people shift to him.

Regarding rd, he was his usual self, so practically a 50/50 chance, but when I noticed the duo end voting sweet (duo=bunny/rd), rd went to a townlock for me.

Damo is ... silent. I don't like it. People say it's town indicative of him, or at least damo-indicative, but he's voting me and has all these wrong takes despite saying so little. I'm staying away though since fox is voting for him, so maybe damo is town somehow?

Ghug. Ghug is ghug. Very silent ghug, but he said it's because travel. Contrary to damo, what he says sounds good and logical, so I like him being around. I hope he talks much more in the next phases.

Brian is ... here, I think. Not saying too much, feels a bit like just existing. He's different than last game where he was my maf-dance-partner. So maybe that's just him, but I'd be a bit cautious here.

And finally sweet ... well you're wrong voting me, but maybe it's for the best. I had pondered of tie-ing you with me, especially since rd is voting you here, but I don't feel any maliciousness from your posts. Sure some strangeness and things I'd put under " ", but at the end of the day, I tend more to town here. And with the potential of outing one of only two of our PR's, it's probably just the best to voting me out to flip me since I don't want to be the reason again town loses by voting me out on a do or die day.

3

Guess im changing my mind on Kak. Hopefully not one of these moments where a wall and some other stuff change my correct initial assumption.

ugh.

So much nice detail! I LOVE IT.

[Vecna]

anyway, I wanted to say, bunny and rd can't be maf together. Both endvoting sweet in that way is no maf-behaviour, especially rd I can't see doing that if both are mafia. Honestly, I don't think maf-rd would even follow town-bunny in that way. So maybe rd is just town this game.

Can we not kill this guy today? Please? PLEASE!!!!

Rdr changes his moment at the exact same moment in time. Not sure if he was scumreading him to begin with, but he again comments on the exact same thing.

[Vecna]

Let's see if Bunny and Rdr are bussing sweet...

##VOTE SWEET

this is so weird.

Fox goes from just reading the game, to basing a vote on thinking he's already found 3 scum?

This makes very little sense in my mind.

[Vecna]

ah well, I had hoped to maybe survive today if we got fox, damo was a bit a gamble, not too sure on him, but yeah, you should probably look at damo after my flip.

At least I'll be the good luck sacrifice for a town win, as we know, if we get maf on D1, town wins. Please ask away for any questions you have, I'll try to answer them to my best abilities.

Still, even after all the detail, this "resigned to my fate" bullshit is such a 180 from last game kak that was all fiery "GO ON SON, SEE IF U CAN KILL ME".

[Vecna]

Well, let's tally then.
M79: you didn't like me from D1 and I'm town.
M80: I don't ping your radar at all on D1 and I'm outed scum on D2

Which game does this one look like the most...?

Do you actively scumread sweet on his own merits or just because of the way his wagon formed?

God help me, but... he feels off this game.

I've been watching him play a bit now, and I analyzed him extensively his first game because I went down a tunnel. And this seems different. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's the smaller/less active game or whatever. I don't have a good reason.

The Bunny-RDR thing is unlikely, for sure, but I don't think it's impossible. It's certainly not a reason to vote Sweet on its own, and it's not even really why I'm voting him now.

Besides, I'm probably going to lock in on Kak if it looks like we might be on the edge.

Even this fox post seems genuine as balls.

This...is gonna be a difficult game.

[Vecna]

Possible explanations for Sweet's D1:

OMGUS. I vote him, he votes me. I think this is NAI for him, though.

Spooked first-timer scum. Didn't want to be seen as having been sitting on a dead townie from the start. The counterpoint to this is that starting a new wagon on me is actually useful information for town down the line, whereas driving Kak home would have meant less of a trail.

Low-activity game is giving him less to sort through/react to/etc. Also, NAI, probably.

Having thought about it, I think it's more likely that Kak is scum than Sweet is, at this point.

I don't think sweet would be a spooked first time scum player. This is just general vibe opinion on his style FWIW

Also, why would we use Fox's analysis? It's clearly framed as an analysis purely focused on me, where Fox caps it all off by randomly deciding Kak is more likely Mafia.

It’s the main analysis out there right now. I do think there’s a dynamic between the two of you to at least be mindful of going forward. I haven’t reread to see why you wanted to flash them so bad yesterday.

Can you explain the dynamic in your own words?

Worcej is so carefull with his words and assertions.

Zero boldness. Zero resonation.

Prime scum candidate so far. Not a single worcej-town-post all game.

[Vecna]

Let's see if Bunny and Rdr are bussing sweet...

##VOTE SWEET

Doesn't anyone else think this looks ultra scummy? If Bunny or rdr were to shift off of sweetandcool after this comment, wouldn't it make them look bad? Doesn't this read as Fox trying to manipulate them into staying on sweetandcool and getting a MK?

ding.

Fox is also very selective so far in who he converses to/at.

[Vecna]

Let's see if Bunny and Rdr are bussing sweet...

##VOTE SWEET

Doesn't anyone else think this looks ultra scummy? If Bunny or rdr were to shift off of sweetandcool after this comment, wouldn't it make them look bad? Doesn't this read as Fox trying to manipulate them into staying on sweetandcool and getting a MK?

Things I think about this post:

1. The one time Sweet should be making it about himself, he doesn't.

2. Implicitly assumes Bunny and Rdr are town, does not seem to leave room for the chance that Bunny and/or Rdr are scum (in which case it would be a good thing for them to have to figure out how to wriggle out of the scenario Sweet posits).

3. Really leans into a "lone scum mastermind orchestrating Day 1 outcome" theory when hopefully everyone knows that's not a thing.

4. Before I move my vote from Damo to Sweet, the wagons are:
Kak (3)
Damo (3)
Sweet (2)
Ghug (2)

So if I'm scum, I moved my vote off a townie, onto another townie, and then finished voting on Kak, whom Sweet townreads. So if Kak is town and I'm scum, then I've done this dance from townie to townie to townie for no good reason.

The only way Sweet's analysis of me as scum makes sense is if Kak is also scum, and I bussed him. And it would be a good bus for scum wanting to go deep, but I don't think scum want to go deep, I think they want to win on D3. But in any case, Sweet doesn't think Kak is scum, so this isn't really a viable theory for him.

oh. ignore that ding.

This is actual fire.

[Vecna]

Doesn't anyone else think this looks ultra scummy? If Bunny or rdr were to shift off of sweetandcool after this comment, wouldn't it make them look bad? Doesn't this read as Fox trying to manipulate them into staying on sweetandcool and getting a MK?

Things I think about this post:

1. The one time Sweet should be making it about himself, he doesn't.

2. Implicitly assumes Bunny and Rdr are town, does not seem to leave room for the chance that Bunny and/or Rdr are scum (in which case it would be a good thing for them to have to figure out how to wriggle out of the scenario Sweet posits).

3. Really leans into a "lone scum mastermind orchestrating Day 1 outcome" theory when hopefully everyone knows that's not a thing.

4. Before I move my vote from Damo to Sweet, the wagons are:
Kak (3)
Damo (3)
Sweet (2)
Ghug (2)

So if I'm scum, I moved my vote off a townie, onto another townie, and then finished voting on Kak, whom Sweet townreads. So if Kak is town and I'm scum, then I've done this dance from townie to townie to townie for no good reason.

The only way Sweet's analysis of me as scum makes sense is if Kak is also scum, and I bussed him. And it would be a good bus for scum wanting to go deep, but I don't think scum want to go deep, I think they want to win on D3. But in any case, Sweet doesn't think Kak is scum, so this isn't really a viable theory for him.

I think Fox just slipped that sweet isn't his teammate if he's scum but I think they're just both town.

This is a pretty decent conclusion. It does smell like a TvT dumpsterfire.

Both making interesting observations that make sense from a town PoV. And the frustration from sweet seems genuine.

[BunnyGo]

Nothing like a shortened day to kick some energy into me.

I guess I'll look at the content of D1 and see if there are clues but I'm feeling doubtful.

To anyone who wants to vote me, I can kind of understand, but given D1 Kak and I are likely paired and Kak seems pretty town. Consequently, I look fairly town too.

Given the day shorten I would say Mafia wants us to go with the current momentum.

Current momentum, provided by Bunny is to vote town sweetandcool, or maybe Mafia expects me to keep pushing Fox.

Therefore, we'll start with ##VOTE BunnyGo

(I'm also by default okay with the strategy of voting out low posters, currently Vecna)

Explain to me why you're paired with kak. Please use small words and simple logical conclusions. Never assume something is "obvious". None of your sentences above made any sense at all.

Well, it's what I concluded from my VCA analysis. Right when Kak looked most dire I peeled off, conveniently to a non-wagon. If one were to suppose we were scummates, this behaviour would make sense, and you could even point towards my initial vote as a form of distancing or something, since it never appeared all that serious to anyone else.

So I conclude that if sweetandcool is Mafia then Kak is likely Mafia.

Conversely, when Kak made their first "self-defense" vote, they could have voted sweetandcool and put me into the lead, but instead voted damo, an inferior vote in regards to pure self-defense.

Consequently, I can conclude that Kak did this because either we are scummates and/or Kak was confident their scumbuddies would save them, or they are town.

Later Kak behaviour indicates town to me.

Got it. OK. None of that it convincing. But I understand why you said it at least.

[Vecna]

At the nest the squirrels sat quietly eating their morning acorns.



but not General chatterfang.
He was dead.

ghug has died he was squirrel general chatterfang the odd
night watcher

Day 2 has begun

you may now post

hmm shame, he actually was a PR.

[Vecna]

GughDamnit!

You guys are soooo so wrong about sweet. And Fox's logic is bad.

Yes, he is correct that by not getting direct wagons on potential deep threats, we leave them until later.

But killing a scum player now gives us information on their interactions, confirmation on their votes, and ability to read their posts and posts about them (or actively ignoring them) with an idea.

##vote sweet

Would not consider:

rdr
Vecna
Fox
Bona

Would consider:

Hamilton
kak
worcej

would ##end sweet. I think this one's easy.

how on earth would you not consider me at this point?

That is some grade a+ bullshit.

Every town should be highly highly suspicious of me just after N1.

I hadnt done shit. Bunny especially should know that fits my disinterested scumplay to a T.

This just smells like the fear of knowing an impending town Vecna will do some catchup of the gods.

[Vecna]

Has Vecna come out from under his Terraforming Mars odyssey?

I played all throughout friday as well

Epic session from 1400-03:30.

13h straight with a short dinner break.

[BunnyGo]

I think I want damo, worcej, Rd, or Kak today. Sweet is the closest thing I have to a townread but it's not an especially compelling one.

Anything you can say to convince me? I was thinking not Rd or Kak today. Probably not damo either.

I really dont understand what in the game at this point wouldve caused Bunny not to want to vote Damo or Kak.

Bunny, you remember and care to enlighten that point?

Regardless, the question/attempt at dialogue is a minor positive.

Damo easy to read later and valuable if town. Also his early short posts of like "no" or "hmm" or "I'm the one british statistician who doesn't like cricket" were similar to how he played town recently and different than scum.

kak doesn't tend to think like you do about hiding the fact he'd be VT. So he would think triggering the word phrase would be valuable. While I could see him doing it as scum if there ISN'T a vanillaizer (he wouldn't do it if there were one and he's scum) I was giving him a short term pass for it.

[Vecna]

Mark was doing great in round 2. Sipping his mountain dew and everything was going great until those damn orcish lumberjacks came into play.

The day has been shortened

Day 2 Deadline moved to 24 hours earlier

Guess scum were scared of my catchup and didnt wanna give me the time

[Hamilton Brian]

Has Vecna come out from under his Terraforming Mars odyssey?

I played all throughout friday as well

Epic session from 1400-03:30.

13h straight with a short dinner break.

Sounds like I need to get this game.

Nice real quick catch-up by the way.

Tell me you're town and my vote on you is misguided rubbish.

[BunnyGo]

GughDamnit!

You guys are soooo so wrong about sweet. And Fox's logic is bad.

Yes, he is correct that by not getting direct wagons on potential deep threats, we leave them until later.

But killing a scum player now gives us information on their interactions, confirmation on their votes, and ability to read their posts and posts about them (or actively ignoring them) with an idea.

##vote sweet

Would not consider:

rdr
Vecna
Fox
Bona

Would consider:

Hamilton
kak
worcej

would ##end sweet. I think this one's easy.

how on earth would you not consider me at this point?

That is some grade a+ bullshit.

Every town should be highly highly suspicious of me just after N1.

I hadnt done shit. Bunny especially should know that fits my disinterested scumplay to a T.

This just smells like the fear of knowing an impending town Vecna will do some catchup of the gods.

I was waiting to see if/when you'd show up.

But sweet and worcej were high on my list.

[BunnyGo]

Mark was doing great in round 2. Sipping his mountain dew and everything was going great until those damn orcish lumberjacks came into play.

The day has been shortened

Day 2 Deadline moved to 24 hours earlier

Guess scum were scared of my catchup and didnt wanna give me the time

Explain?