M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[brainbomb]

ghug and RHK
jamie and S&c
BB and rdr
Worcej and Chaqa
Vecna and Ezio

Does anyone left in the game scumread their partner? I don't.

no rdr is very town.

[Ezio]

I have a few points in favor of Ghug being scum.

1. Damo didn't vote him until he could tie. On d2, Damo flittered his vote around all of the possible wagons, except ghug. He pushed on everyone else and tried to start some wagons, but never anything on Ghug. That's odd. If he'd pushed for Ghug earlier, he might have been the difference maker. I think he was scared of bussing his last teammate and being forced to win alone.
2. People have been feeling weird about Ghug since d1. Lots of people, many of whom we now know must be town (due to PoE, there's only 1 scum remaining), have felt similarly. This kind of collective unease is relevant imo.
3. Ghug's (D3, before the flip) defense of my (d2) push on Damo feels slightly odd again.

I have 2 major points in favor of Ghug being town.
1. Of the remaining players, only 1 is Scum. That gives me bad odds a priori.
2. I suck at scumhunting, and I'm only ever successful at sheeping better player's reads, so it's kinda crazy anyone would ever listen to me lol.

[sweetandcool]

That's a strawman. You don't have to name a "serious case" to be earnestly pushing someone.

I know aaro and I are town, and I suspect damo is scum, so I struggle to see a scum motivation for what you're calling opportunism.

I'll repeat, though: What's opportunistic about it?

This is rich, considering your last comment towards me.

What's the connection?

Meh, perhaps it isn't a fair comparison but in your second sentence replace "pushing" with "saving".

[sweetandcool]

Anyone get the feeling ghug was using D3 as an opportunity to push a sweetandcool MK?

Maybe it's hogwash and VCA amongst other things will clear him when I analyze it, but he seems hellbent on being suspicious.

[sweetandcool]

I have a few points in favor of Ghug being scum.

1. Damo didn't vote him until he could tie. On d2, Damo flittered his vote around all of the possible wagons, except ghug. He pushed on everyone else and tried to start some wagons, but never anything on Ghug. That's odd. If he'd pushed for Ghug earlier, he might have been the difference maker. I think he was scared of bussing his last teammate and being forced to win alone.
2. People have been feeling weird about Ghug since d1. Lots of people, many of whom we now know must be town (due to PoE, there's only 1 scum remaining), have felt similarly. This kind of collective unease is relevant imo.
3. Ghug's (D3, before the flip) defense of my (d2) push on Damo feels slightly odd again.

I have 2 major points in favor of Ghug being town.
1. Of the remaining players, only 1 is Scum. That gives me bad odds a priori.
2. I suck at scumhunting, and I'm only ever successful at sheeping better player's reads, so it's kinda crazy anyone would ever listen to me lol.

You might be right, or you might be scum. I'll probably have a better idea once I find the time to assess the game state.

[brainbomb]

Eod 2 Retrospective

##Vote damo666

p115 ghug votes aaro
Jamie votes aaro

aarodactyl (5): worcej*, Chaqa, damo666, ghug, Jamiet99uk
damo666 (5): Ezio, aarodactyl, sweetandcool, DemonRHK, brainbomb
ghug (2): Vecna, rdrivera2005

END: 1/7 (worcej)

Currently no one is set to die at the end of Day 2 in approximately 00h54m.

Ezio looks super opportunistic here, doesn't he?+

I think the fact Chaqa is voting aaro indicates the final scumpair is aaro Demon

p117 I vote aaro making it 6-4
Jamie votes damo tying it 5-5

Is Rdr even here?

I don't think he is.

Is Rdr even here?

I don't think he is.

Good point, maybe we really should flash ghug, since rdr was right D1.

P118 Jamie votes ghug
worcej votes ghug
sweetandcool votes ghug

I move back to damo
Demon pleads for damo to die

This is the most coasty I have seen damo in a large amount of hames. Come on peeps, this isn't hard.

DAMO

Jamie votes Damo
Damo votes ghug

damo666 (5): Ezio, aarodactyl, DemonRHK, brainbomb, Jamiet99uk
ghug (5): Vecna, rdrivera2005, worcej*, sweetandcool, damo666
aarodactyl (2): Chaqa, ghug

No one has been chosen to die.

with aaro and damo now dead it seems like the last scum is on ghug (if ghug is town)

Mafia dont tend to bus their partner when the outcome is they are the only guy left

[Ezio]

I have a few points in favor of Ghug being scum.

1. Damo didn't vote him until he could tie. On d2, Damo flittered his vote around all of the possible wagons, except ghug. He pushed on everyone else and tried to start some wagons, but never anything on Ghug. That's odd. If he'd pushed for Ghug earlier, he might have been the difference maker. I think he was scared of bussing his last teammate and being forced to win alone.
2. People have been feeling weird about Ghug since d1. Lots of people, many of whom we now know must be town (due to PoE, there's only 1 scum remaining), have felt similarly. This kind of collective unease is relevant imo.
3. Ghug's (D3, before the flip) defense of my (d2) push on Damo feels slightly odd again.

I have 2 major points in favor of Ghug being town.
1. Of the remaining players, only 1 is Scum. That gives me bad odds a priori.
2. I suck at scumhunting, and I'm only ever successful at sheeping better player's reads, so it's kinda crazy anyone would ever listen to me lol.

You might be right, or you might be scum. I'll probably have a better idea once I find the time to assess the game state.

Lol whatever dude. Like the lottery, the chance of the two events you've described are not 50/50.

[sweetandcool]

I have a few points in favor of Ghug being scum.

1. Damo didn't vote him until he could tie. On d2, Damo flittered his vote around all of the possible wagons, except ghug. He pushed on everyone else and tried to start some wagons, but never anything on Ghug. That's odd. If he'd pushed for Ghug earlier, he might have been the difference maker. I think he was scared of bussing his last teammate and being forced to win alone.
2. People have been feeling weird about Ghug since d1. Lots of people, many of whom we now know must be town (due to PoE, there's only 1 scum remaining), have felt similarly. This kind of collective unease is relevant imo.
3. Ghug's (D3, before the flip) defense of my (d2) push on Damo feels slightly odd again.

I have 2 major points in favor of Ghug being town.
1. Of the remaining players, only 1 is Scum. That gives me bad odds a priori.
2. I suck at scumhunting, and I'm only ever successful at sheeping better player's reads, so it's kinda crazy anyone would ever listen to me lol.

You might be right, or you might be scum. I'll probably have a better idea once I find the time to assess the game state.

Lol whatever dude. Like the lottery, the chance of the two events you've described are not 50/50.

I just mean I haven't had the chance to update. I'm not claiming you are Mafia or something, I'm not picking on you or your opinion. In fact, I'm acknowledging that you might be right.

[sweetandcool]

You might be right, or you might be scum. I'll probably have a better idea once I find the time to assess the game state.

Lol whatever dude. Like the lottery, the chance of the two events you've described are not 50/50.

I just mean I haven't had the chance to update. I'm not claiming you are Mafia or something, I'm not picking on you or your opinion. In fact, I'm acknowledging that you might be right.

The part about you maybe being scum is simply because that was my read on you before, and I haven't had a chance to update that opinion. Understand?

[Ezio]

Lol whatever dude. Like the lottery, the chance of the two events you've described are not 50/50.

I just mean I haven't had the chance to update. I'm not claiming you are Mafia or something, I'm not picking on you or your opinion. In fact, I'm acknowledging that you might be right.

The part about you maybe being scum is simply because that was my read on you before, and I haven't had a chance to update that opinion. Understand?

Sure. Your phrasing felt odd. I also find it weird considering I'm pushing the guy you were voting for yesterday lol.

[ghug]

if he flips town I assume you'll still think I'm scum

Probably yeah.

iconic webdip moment

Anyway Chaqa totally defended him here despite a certain flip incoming to make himself seem like lost town. He's the one.

[DemonRHK]

These ghug cases are flimsier than a logitech controller below sea level

[Ezio]

These ghug cases are flimsier than a logitech controller below sea level

I actually kinda like his Chaqa case lol

[DemonRHK]

These ghug cases are flimsier than a logitech controller below sea level

I actually kinda like his Chaqa case lol

I meant the ones against him, whoops

[DemonRHK]

GHUG IS MY BROTHER IN ARMS AND I WILL DEFEND HIM TO THE END.

...which hopefully ain't at phase change.

[Ezio]

These ghug cases are flimsier than a logitech controller below sea level

I actually kinda like his Chaqa case lol

I meant the ones against him, whoops

idk man. Damo looks pretty sus with relation to ghug lol.

[brainbomb]

I think im ready to clear Jamie

[ghug]

I should be clear for Damo and Hamilton trying to kill me day 1

You had N0 chat so I feel like heavy bussing was more likely than usual.

[brainbomb]

Vecna you are supposed to vote you know.

I'm trying to make him, he even said he mafreads damo and myself, but he doesn't vote

Is there a history of vecna saying he scumreads damo and ghug and then he never actually votes damo?

[ghug]

ghug and RHK
jamie and S&c
BB and rdr
Worcej and Chaqa
Vecna and Ezio

Does anyone left in the game scumread their partner? I don't.

He's not a top scumread but there are a lot of people I think are more townie.