M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[ghug]

OK @ghug I'm getting a bit brainfried over all of this.

I think you are now backtracking and saying you were pretty certain I knew you were lying rather than absolutely knew.

If this is what happened then my case collapses.

Maybe I was over enthusiastic in thinking I had the game solved.

I'm gonna ##vote Chaqa because of HamB's vote moves.

A high enough degree of certainly that it's effectively knowing, yes.

If I make an argument predicated on a claimed partner and then someone tells me I'm wrong, so be it. I'm going to assume the claims are real until then. There's no backtrack there.

[brainbomb]

I still want to flip aaro because for how obsessed he was with the setup, to allow someone to fakeclaim him as a chat partner, and then do nothing about it seems like aaro was benefitting too much from the fake claim. So ghug can be town for trying a wacky play here but aaro who is a purist on this setup would not have reasonably allowed this unless hes just scum.

[aarodactyl]

I still want to flip aaro because for how obsessed he was with the setup, to allow someone to fakeclaim him as a chat partner, and then do nothing about it seems like aaro was benefitting too much from the fake claim. So ghug can be town for trying a wacky play here but aaro who is a purist on this setup would not have reasonably allowed this unless hes just scum.

Based on your opinion of town aaro, when would I have CC’ed?

[damo666]

OK @ghug I'm getting a bit brainfried over all of this.

I think you are now backtracking and saying you were pretty certain I knew you were lying rather than absolutely knew.

If this is what happened then my case collapses.

Maybe I was over enthusiastic in thinking I had the game solved.

I'm gonna ##vote Chaqa because of HamB's vote moves.

A high enough degree of certainly that it's effectively knowing, yes.

If I make an argument predicated on a claimed partner and then someone tells me I'm wrong, so be it. I'm going to assume the claims are real until then. There's no backtrack there.

aaro voting you day 1 is more evidence against so I consider this over and done.

[brainbomb]

I still want to flip aaro because for how obsessed he was with the setup, to allow someone to fakeclaim him as a chat partner, and then do nothing about it seems like aaro was benefitting too much from the fake claim. So ghug can be town for trying a wacky play here but aaro who is a purist on this setup would not have reasonably allowed this unless hes just scum.

Based on your opinion of town aaro, when would I have CC’ed?

fucking immediately. instantly. categorically.
you would never have allowed this with how rigid you were about the "rules" of the setup. you most certainly wouldnt have waited 60 hours to bring it up.

[aarodactyl]

I still want to flip aaro because for how obsessed he was with the setup, to allow someone to fakeclaim him as a chat partner, and then do nothing about it seems like aaro was benefitting too much from the fake claim. So ghug can be town for trying a wacky play here but aaro who is a purist on this setup would not have reasonably allowed this unless hes just scum.

Based on your opinion of town aaro, when would I have CC’ed?

fucking immediately. instantly. categorically.
you would never have allowed this with how rigid you were about the "rules" of the setup. you most certainly wouldnt have waited 60 hours to bring it up.

1. I thought it was a shitpost and people would notice that
2. This setup is more fun with fake claims. They’re pro town in the long run imo.
3. I was honestly a bit miffed at ghug but that’s not relevant to me CCing

[brainbomb]

instead you were in the thread saying that anyone claiming or proposing mass claims or talking about their dance chats was probably mafia.

like here youre sitting here on hypocrisy hill, allowing a lie to fester, allowing someone to dishonestly portray their dance chat, and you said nothing to refute it for 60 hours?

[damo666]

There's too much stupid in this thread right now. If you think me lying about my partner is scummy, you're wrong, but fine.

Pairings are as follows unless someone else is lying. Let's get back to actually scumhunting.

ghug and RHK
jamie and S&c
BB and rdr
Worcej and Chaqa
Kak and HB
Vecna and Ezio
damo and aaro

If these are correct Ezio was the only person voting his partner D1. I think this is highly town indicative and I am adding Ezio to my towncore.

[brainbomb]

There's too much stupid in this thread right now. If you think me lying about my partner is scummy, you're wrong, but fine.

Pairings are as follows unless someone else is lying. Let's get back to actually scumhunting.

ghug and RHK
jamie and S&c
BB and rdr
Worcej and Chaqa
Kak and HB
Vecna and Ezio
damo and aaro

If these are correct Ezio was the only person voting his partner D1. I think this is highly town indicative and I am adding Ezio to my towncore.

I voted rivera day 1.
ask Jamie about that

[aarodactyl]

instead you were in the thread saying that anyone claiming or proposing mass claims or talking about their dance chats was probably mafia.

like here youre sitting here on hypocrisy hill, allowing a lie to fester, allowing someone to dishonestly portray their dance chat, and you said nothing to refute it for 60 hours?

I never said that those things made people mafia inherently. I just said they were against the town wincon.

A fake claim obfuscates true pairings which is good for town.

The lie by omission on my part didn’t hamper town during D1 and it was never going to. I’m also not about to reveal it on N1. I was tipsy or asleep for the portion of D2 before I revealed it.

[sweetandcool]

There's too much stupid in this thread right now. If you think me lying about my partner is scummy, you're wrong, but fine.

Pairings are as follows unless someone else is lying. Let's get back to actually scumhunting.

ghug and RHK
jamie and S&c
BB and rdr
Worcej and Chaqa
Kak and HB
Vecna and Ezio
damo and aaro

This is very helpful, thank you.

[Chaqa]

Does town damo really believe he's solved the game right now?

Absolutely

[damo666]

Adding Vecna to my towncore on the basis Ham voted him

1 aaro/damo
2 Jamie/Sweet
3 brain/rdr
4 Chaqa/worcej
5 Ham/Kak
6 Ezio/Vecna
7 ghu/demon

Possible scumpairs

aaro/chaqa
aaro/ghug
aaro/demon
Chaqa/demon
Chaqa/ghug

The purple pairs are unlikely from D1 voting

So I am left with 3 pairs with the following appearance count

aaro 2
chaqa 2
demon 2

I will not vote outside these three. My order of preference is Chaqa/Aaro/Demon

[Chaqa]

ghug and RHK
jamie and S&c
brain and rdr
Worcej and Chaqa
Vecna and Ezio
damo and aaro

That's where I'm at.

[damo666]

There's too much stupid in this thread right now. If you think me lying about my partner is scummy, you're wrong, but fine.

Pairings are as follows unless someone else is lying. Let's get back to actually scumhunting.

ghug and RHK
jamie and S&c
BB and rdr
Worcej and Chaqa
Kak and HB
Vecna and Ezio
damo and aaro

If these are correct Ezio was the only person voting his partner D1. I think this is highly town indicative and I am adding Ezio to my towncore.

I voted rivera day 1.
ask Jamie about that

But you didn't end on him. I'm townreading you anyway.

[Chaqa]

Damo will now tunnel on me-Demon as a scumteam.

[aarodactyl]

Didn’t someone say that damo hates fake claims?

[damo666]

Damo will now tunnel on me-Demon as a scumteam.

This probably eliminates Chaqa/Demon so it's

aaro Chaqa

or

aaro Demon

##vote aaro

##end

[damo666]

Didn’t someone say that damo hates fake claims?

I dislike town making fakeclaims. The only time I remember it going well was Tom Bombadil. Oh and Jamie last game iirc.

[brainbomb]

instead you were in the thread saying that anyone claiming or proposing mass claims or talking about their dance chats was probably mafia.

like here youre sitting here on hypocrisy hill, allowing a lie to fester, allowing someone to dishonestly portray their dance chat, and you said nothing to refute it for 60 hours?

I never said that those things made people mafia inherently. I just said they were against the town wincon.

A fake claim obfuscates true pairings which is good for town.

The lie by omission on my part didn’t hamper town during D1 and it was never going to. I’m also not about to reveal it on N1. I was tipsy or asleep for the portion of D2 before I revealed it.

Then explain this:

oh god are we gonna now spend 6 hours talking about how we shouldnt have claimed?

I think people that pushed claiming likely contain at least one scum.

I need to get some urgent stuff done at work, but I think it would useful for someone to see who restarted the claiming talk. I feel like it was worcej, Jamie, chaqa, and Ezio. But I may be missing someone.