M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[ghug]

most forums hammer at majority. its a standard part of the game of mafia. people here like canned pickled sardine mafia where theres night chats and councils and spooky boogeyman fears that hammering is somehow counter to a gentlemans game.

of course calling people fat cunt soap eating morons who should eat crayons is just part of the process.

Are you just trying to provoke people?

No but an apology from him would at least be nice. I didnt deserve what he said to me at all. I was actually posting reasons not to kill him and he attacked me

Yeah I agree there. The comment felt like a dig at everyone here though.

[brainbomb]

Are you just trying to provoke people?

No but an apology from him would at least be nice. I didnt deserve what he said to me at all. I was actually posting reasons not to kill him and he attacked me

Yeah I agree there. The comment felt like a dig at everyone here though.

telling me personally when I posted a quote about damo, and him saying damo is 100% not in a chat with a republican.

And his response is to verbally attack me for that and say im so stupid I would need a diagram on how to tie my shoes, ect ect.

It wasnt directed at everyone.

[aarodactyl]

I am totally lost with partner claims.

Anybody want to recap please.

1. By around the beginning of N1, it was possible to create a mapping of partners if you assume no lies. I don’t remember exactly when this was created but I know kak claimed right before or after HB was killed. (Something about Sissi). I think that was one of the final pairs needed for the mapping.

2. This mapping relied on ghug’s claim that he was partners with me. As a result, in that mapping, I was partner with him and you were partners with rdk.

3. I announced this morning that ghug lied. And then said I was partners with you. Ghug showed up and said something about you and how you knew he was lying at some point. You said that made him scum.

[sweetandcool]

I honestly don’t understand why one of us has to be scum. Can you explain it? I personally think ghug has been scummy this game but all of a sudden people have gotten very confident and I don’t see it.

I've been feeling fairly strongly about ghug and Ezio for a while. It's possible ghug took an easy target (you) and pushed for a MK. But his case is also pretty correct, and I still haven't seen anything of substance from you. But that reasoning always seems to not work out.

And the current affairs on top of all of that apparently implicates you and/or ghug?

The first paragraph is fair. Can you point to who is saying that current events implicate me and ghug and why they’ve said that? I haven’t been able to follow that. Also from my pov, any current event that implicates me should also implicate damo and demon.

Just look at any vote posts and that's what I'm talking about.

[brainbomb]

sorry but how am I pair hunting my own fucking partner dude. please read the game and practice a bare minimum level of intellect

People guessing an answer to your question will help scum narrow down the pairings.

It was really explicitly obvious that you were his partner, Damo.

Jamie appears to really think I am partners with damo here unless this is a faked interaction because jamie is scum with damo?

[sweetandcool]

Sweet, this is all fairly straightforward and you're into mechanics. Why are you relying on what you think other people are suggesting rather than just thinking it through yourself?

At the end of the day I will critically think about it. If you pay attention, that is what I normally do. At face value I am confused by all of this, and I'm not entirely who is whose partner anymore.

[brainbomb]

I dont understand this progression either

Jamie says damo partner is 100% not republican
then Jamie freaks out at me day 1
then Jamie wants a speedwagon on me
doesnt join Damo in a speedwagon on me unless im misremembering
then N2 assumes I am now damo's chat partner

and now for some reason Jamie no longer scumreads me or damo at all, and isnt reacting to all this changing of the chat partners talk

[damo666]

People guessing an answer to your question will help scum narrow down the pairings.

It was really explicitly obvious that you were his partner, Damo.

Jamie appears to really think I am partners with damo here unless this is a faked interaction because jamie is scum with damo?

I've absolutely no idea how he jumped to that conclusion. I am not scum and from D1 votes I doubt Jamie is.

[damo666]

It is quite amusing that aaro anf ghug are trapped in their mutual bussing. Neither can afford to move.

[aarodactyl]

I've been feeling fairly strongly about ghug and Ezio for a while. It's possible ghug took an easy target (you) and pushed for a MK. But his case is also pretty correct, and I still haven't seen anything of substance from you. But that reasoning always seems to not work out.

And the current affairs on top of all of that apparently implicates you and/or ghug?

The first paragraph is fair. Can you point to who is saying that current events implicate me and ghug and why they’ve said that? I haven’t been able to follow that. Also from my pov, any current event that implicates me should also implicate damo and demon.

Just look at any vote posts and that's what I'm talking about.

Here are the vote posts against me.

Explain how b relates to a.

A very large portion of my perspective became colored by the asymmetric information and it’s hard for me to really make any reads to begin with on D1.

##VOTE aaro

Ghug votes me as the culmination of his argument that’s he’s been having for a while against me. It doesn’t appear to be related to mechanics.

I assume you are basing this on aaro's claim that I am his partner. Why do you assume aaro is telling the truth?

Oh, this looks interesting.

Yes, I may have caught him in a scumslip. But that would mean both ghug and aaro are scum. Mmmm.

##vote aaro

Damo says ghug and I are scum due to a scumslip that he hasn’t explained.

I feel very confident in aaro being scum now based off his last statement

This is the explanation worcej gave for end voting me. My last statement was:

Who did you catch in a scum slip?

ghug said he knew that i knew he was lying. Well I did but how could ghug know that unless you are his scum partner?

Once the claims happened on D1, there was a full mapping of partners. If he assumed that no one lied outside of him, his partner, me, and my partner, then my partner had to be you.

The only thing i can think of here is that I said D1 and not N1. No idea if that’s what he’s referring to or not.

##vote aaro

Ill join. I dont understand it but someone does. and thats good

So Brain said he doesn’t know what’s happening but will vote me anyways.



All of this is to say: what do you mean that looking at vote post will help?

[damo666]

ghug aaro and chaqa can't all be scum. Who can explain hamB's vote move to Chaqa and then back off. Why would Ham move off Chaqa if Chaqa is town. I'm confused.

[damo666]

@aaro why are you saying I haven't explained the scumslip?

[sweetandcool]

@aaro, so that makes brainbomb, worcej, and Damon voting for you because of this. I don't understand why, which I've said before, but this partner claiming affair seems to have sparked it.

[aarodactyl]

So, re: fakeclaiming.

First, I knew it was always confirmable because at least four of us knew I was lying. Given that, and that doing shit is fun and gets conversation rolling, I didn't see any reason not to. I kind of expected to be shot down quickly and for us to massclaim.

Once I wasn't shot down, I thought about it a little and decided it was worthwhile to keep going because:
a) There was a decent chance scum knew I was lying and most of town didn't, so reactions would be interesting. This did not amount to anything, or at least I've missed where it did.
b) I became convinced fairly quickly that keeping the exact identities of the T/T pairings hidden was pro-town, and on the off chance all four of us were town, that was a pretty good value add.

I don't see any scum-specific motivations for this, but it's certainly possible I'd do it as scum anyway for shits and giggles and to seem like my priorities were shits and giggles.

One point of interest is that damo knew I was lying and defended me hard yesterday. I really don't know what to make of that.

I assume you are basing this on aaro's claim that I am his partner. Why do you assume aaro is telling the truth?

Oh is this the implied scum slip?

[sweetandcool]

@aaro, so that makes brainbomb, worcej, and Damon voting for you because of this. I don't understand why, which I've said before, but this partner claiming affair seems to have sparked it.

damo*

Screw my phone

[Jamiet99uk]

You're focusing too much on the negatives and assuming anti-calm is a negative trait here. You acted in a way I would not anticipate and did not engage on things I've seen town!Jamie jump on a lot.

I'm focusing on the negatives??

You tried to endhammer me while I wasn't even present. Let's talk about that negative.

I honestly think we need to stop thinking hammers are awful and should never be done.

Consider it my schtick this game - every vote I am placing will have an end with it

You're wrong.

Endhammering people without giving them a chance to respond is fundamentally anti town play.

Do better.

[damo666]

So, re: fakeclaiming.

First, I knew it was always confirmable because at least four of us knew I was lying. Given that, and that doing shit is fun and gets conversation rolling, I didn't see any reason not to. I kind of expected to be shot down quickly and for us to massclaim.

Once I wasn't shot down, I thought about it a little and decided it was worthwhile to keep going because:
a) There was a decent chance scum knew I was lying and most of town didn't, so reactions would be interesting. This did not amount to anything, or at least I've missed where it did.
b) I became convinced fairly quickly that keeping the exact identities of the T/T pairings hidden was pro-town, and on the off chance all four of us were town, that was a pretty good value add.

I don't see any scum-specific motivations for this, but it's certainly possible I'd do it as scum anyway for shits and giggles and to seem like my priorities were shits and giggles.

One point of interest is that damo knew I was lying and defended me hard yesterday. I really don't know what to make of that.

I assume you are basing this on aaro's claim that I am his partner. Why do you assume aaro is telling the truth?

Oh is this the implied scum slip?

Yes

[brainbomb]

hi Jamie. do you wish to continue to be my friend and fellow player? is there some reason you attacked me over a post where you claimed damo was never in a chat with scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

most forums hammer at majority. its a standard part of the game of mafia. people here like canned pickled sardine mafia where theres night chats and councils and spooky boogeyman fears that hammering is somehow counter to a gentleman's game.

But, on those other sites, they treat casting the last hammer vote very seriously. Its not like they all just hammer willy nilly.

[Jamiet99uk]

hi Jamie. do you wish to continue to be my friend and fellow player? is there some reason you attacked me over a post where you claimed damo was never in a chat with scum?

I would like to be friends.

I felt it was clear what I meant, at the time, about Damo.