M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[brainbomb]

I mean, the simplest option is goto:
mafia.peterlund.se
search among messages
User: ezio

and just read the ISO.
then you can disregard my heavy handed analysis and just form your own opinion.

[Chaqa]

I'm not super sure on this outside the town core, but this is roughly where I am at.

Town Core
DemonRHK
Kakarroto
Vecna
worcej

Lean Town
aarodactyl
damo666
rdrivera2005

PoE
brainbomb/Jamiet99uk*
Ezio
ghug
sweetandcool

*I either brain is scum OR Jamie is scum, not both, maybe neither.

[Chaqa]

Ovelaying that with the partners:
aarodactyl/ghug
Jamie/Sweet
Brain/rivera
Chaqa/worcej
Hamilton/Kak
Ezio/Vecna
damo/DemonRHK

[brainbomb]

Has anyone done a deep dive into Hamilton's scum games to see if he votes teammates on Day 1? I'm wondering if we can clear Vecna.

M63
Vote Count 1.2 (let me know if you see anything off)

bozotheclown: 1 (Hamilton Brian)

Day 2 Final Vote Count – Please PM with any Concerns
Ghug: 8 (worcej, Jamiet99uk, Chaqa, aarodactyl, Bonatogether, BunnyGo, damo666, Vecna)

Bonatogether: 7 (rdrivera2005, Hellenic Riot, Fluminator, bozotheclown, brainbomb, ghug, President Eden)
Jamiet99uk: 1 (e.m.c^42)
e.m.c^42: 1 (celaph)
bozotheclown: 1 (Donny Dude)
brainbomb: 1 (Hamilton Brian)

FINAL VOTE COUNT
brainbomb: 15 (damo6666*, Donny Dude, Bonatogether*, Hellenic Riot, celaph, aarodactyl*, rdrivera2005*, President Eden*, Chaqa*, Fluminator, bozotheclown, Jamiet99uk, Hamilton Brian, worcej*, emc^42*)
aarodactyl: 1 (brainbomb*)
Fluminator: 1 (BunnyGo)

Vote Count 4.2
e.m.c^42: 8 (aarodactyl, Chaqa, Fluminator, Jamiet99uk, President Eden, celaph, Bonatogether, Hamilton Brian)
Hamilton Brian: 7 (Hellenic Riot, e.m.c^42, BunnyGo, worcej, Donny Dude, bozotheclown, damo666)
Emc is set to be killed.
There is about 1 hour 10 min left in D4

he hard bussed bozo, then bussed me, and then other times he didnt bus. but yes he busses sometimes.

[aarodactyl]

As a note, I recall that people usually send huge posts right at EON. I think that’s unnecessary with these rules (and honestly kind of in general). I definitely could be missing something but it’s something to consider.

[brainbomb]

As a note, I recall that people usually send huge posts right at EON. I think that’s unnecessary with these rules (and honestly kind of in general). I definitely could be missing something but it’s something to consider.

it was a formal process for a long time that everyone would be real quiet at night and then post EON reads lists. some still do this out of player style. I think Kak almost always does this for example. HR usually does it

[brainbomb]

The next thing I can do is a meta comparison of ezio town games and ezio scum games. If anyone is interested in perusing such a case. But I think the content I have in this game is sufficient to prosecute the case for ezio!scum

[worcej]

Rdr and Chaqa look good for staying on Ham from pretty far out. Chaqa was even around until the very EoD and could have tried saving Ham if they were their teammate.

Then again, that wagon flashed bright very quickly, so maybe they would worry any intervention would look scummy.

The second half was my takeaway mostly. Rdr and Chaqa do not get any town points for their timing and staying.

[worcej]

im suspecting the final 2 scum could very well be ghug and damo fyi

HB:
-Stated around EOD: "Dont kill Ghug"
-Ignored both the Ghug and Damo option to save himself. Only wanted to vote me or Chaqa

Ghug:
-Went turbo-turbo on the chaqa option. Suddenly sounding very energetic to try and push through Chaqa. We've seen him do this before when his partners are on the chopping block.
-Found a reason to jump to HB, quoting his vote for me as the reason. We know he likes to be on the main wagon, but this wasnt quite it yet. I think he instinctively knew people wouldnt like that vote, and felt it was gonna swing to HB.

Damo:

I've just come on for EOD only to realise that EOD id midnight for me not 11pm.

It's a tad annoying.

My preference order of the top 4 wagons is Chaqa Vecna HB ghug (though I won't vote for ghug). Will be prepared to switc to prevent a tie.

Of the single vote wagons KAK before aaro

-Never states why he prefers me or Chaqa. Normally he wouldnt enjoy killing either of us on D1.
-Very happy to latch onto any analysis during the night that points to other people right now

Vecna is town.

[worcej]

Has brain not done weird things as scum before?

I vaguely recall a game he got caught super early and outed a teammate somehow ?

He outted his whole team once because they all bussed him D1 lol

[worcej]

I scumread Brain and HB together.

I scumread Brain because of his behaviour around HB.

My vote on HB was not "forced", go back and look at the timing. I put HB into the lead!

Brainbomb is scum here. His yard work excuse is fake because he voted RDR and Chaqa around the turn of the final half hour when HB was viable. I called him out on this twice while he was present and casting votes around and he ignored me both times. I stand by my position, Ghug.

Why would scum brainbomb not vote HB though? Scum brainbomb would be accutely aware he had cased HB and provided ample reason to vote there.

Dont you think its more likely scum brainbomb wouldve followed up on his case hard and bussed the shit out of HB?

The imperfection feels much more likely to come from a town brainbomb that is just having divergent-brain.

Like I say, I've seen scum Brainbomb panic when the person they were bussing actually reached a point where they were in serious danger.

I don’t consider lack of action to be panic though FWIW

[brainbomb]

usually when im scum I get really frustrated when town is close to gamesolving. So if you were to beleive that I concocted a case on my scum buddy HB it would mean that town was close to solving the game, meaning im scum with vecna or ghug and needed to bus my weakest partner so I get cred and get to stay in the townclears or townlists.

I was already widely townread at the time I cased HB. the only person left still scumreading me in the entire game was sweetandcool who was backing off of that read.

I made the case to catch mafia, because ive been mafia with HB before.

If you think I did this out of scum motivation you would logically have to think I am doing it to protect ghug, or vecna because otherwise there is no reason to even case my own guy in that scenario at all.

I can save you alot of mental gymnastics and point you to my case on ezio so we can get another scum. That will make it even more apparent I am town when we flip ezio.

[Jamiet99uk]

I didn't say you were.

I think Jamie is saying that he’d like to find pairs of people that I doesn’t think can be scum together solely based on interactions during D1. Then he wants to add that to list of pairs we already have and then try to massage out some clears.

That is literally what I was saying.

Jamie-Brain and Brain-Damo don't make sense to me as scum pairs.

Right. Gotcha.
Initially your use of "pair" simultaneously in two different ways confused me but I'm on board now.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why would scum brainbomb not vote HB though? Scum brainbomb would be accutely aware he had cased HB and provided ample reason to vote there.

Dont you think its more likely scum brainbomb wouldve followed up on his case hard and bussed the shit out of HB?

The imperfection feels much more likely to come from a town brainbomb that is just having divergent-brain.

Like I say, I've seen scum Brainbomb panic when the person they were bussing actually reached a point where they were in serious danger.

I don’t consider lack of action to be panic though FWIW

Of course it can be.

He panicked, ran outside, and started furiously raking the lawn.

[Chaqa]

I think across the pond you'd call it willywhacking the garden?

[Jamiet99uk]

usually when im scum I get really frustrated when town is close to gamesolving. So if you were to beleive that I concocted a case on my scum buddy HB it would mean that town was close to solving the game, meaning im scum with vecna or ghug and needed to bus my weakest partner so I get cred and get to stay in the townclears or townlists.

I was already widely townread at the time I cased HB. the only person left still scumreading me in the entire game was sweetandcool who was backing off of that read.

I made the case to catch mafia, because ive been mafia with HB before.

If you think I did this out of scum motivation you would logically have to think I am doing it to protect ghug, or vecna because otherwise there is no reason to even case my own guy in that scenario at all.

I can save you alot of mental gymnastics and point you to my case on ezio so we can get another scum. That will make it even more apparent I am town when we flip ezio.

You are starting to make me change my mind.

You've summarised your actions and thoughts in great detail up to your Rdr vote.

Can you take it from there, until the end?

[Jamiet99uk]

I think across the pond you'd call it willywhacking the garden?

I would not.

[brainbomb]

To explain, I get off work at 430 central. I pick up the baby. yesterday I had to work late and a bunch of things went awry with a case at my job. So I was not off till closer to 5. I picked up the baby from daycare (not on phone while driving). then went to my in laws to mow the lawn, and its 93 degrees outside, its hot (did not have my phone).

Finished mowing, got back to my phone around flip at EOD. got home. checked to see HB was dying.

Never logged in because I no longer trusted the case anyway.
Last game I missed a phase and town killed scum ghug. so from my mentality I had talked plenty, argued plenty. had made my case and I was not really all that sure of it anymore.

Saw HB died, flipped mafia. I was amused, pleasantly surprised. I told rivera in my chat "I guess im done for, I just dont know how ill survive this insurmountable Jamie case".

Rivera never expressed any doubt in the dance chat that I was mafia. His reaction to my initial posts was to ask "wtf is all this". I wouldnt say rivera is suspicious of me at all. Which maybe is a bit odd. hes being super quiet and I asked him if hes mafia to kill jamie for me and he didnt reply since.

[sweetandcool]

usually when im scum I get really frustrated when town is close to gamesolving. So if you were to beleive that I concocted a case on my scum buddy HB it would mean that town was close to solving the game, meaning im scum with vecna or ghug and needed to bus my weakest partner so I get cred and get to stay in the townclears or townlists.

I was already widely townread at the time I cased HB. the only person left still scumreading me in the entire game was sweetandcool who was backing off of that read.

I made the case to catch mafia, because ive been mafia with HB before.

If you think I did this out of scum motivation you would logically have to think I am doing it to protect ghug, or vecna because otherwise there is no reason to even case my own guy in that scenario at all.

I can save you alot of mental gymnastics and point you to my case on ezio so we can get another scum. That will make it even more apparent I am town when we flip ezio.

Yes, I'vr backed off of scumreading you, though I don't completely trust you.

My top two suspects are ghug and Ezio, though I still need to make a case. So I am happy to see that you are working on Ezio as well.

[Jamiet99uk]

To explain, I get off work at 430 central. I pick up the baby. yesterday I had to work late and a bunch of things went awry with a case at my job. So I was not off till closer to 5. I picked up the baby from daycare (not on phone while driving). then went to my in laws to mow the lawn, and its 93 degrees outside, its hot (did not have my phone).

Finished mowing, got back to my phone around flip at EOD. got home. checked to see HB was dying.

Never logged in because I no longer trusted the case anyway.
Last game I missed a phase and town killed scum ghug. so from my mentality I had talked plenty, argued plenty. had made my case and I was not really all that sure of it anymore.

Saw HB died, flipped mafia. I was amused, pleasantly surprised. I told rivera in my chat "I guess im done for, I just dont know how ill survive this insurmountable Jamie case".

Rivera never expressed any doubt in the dance chat that I was mafia. His reaction to my initial posts was to ask "wtf is all this". I wouldnt say rivera is suspicious of me at all. Which maybe is a bit odd. hes being super quiet and I asked him if hes mafia to kill jamie for me and he didnt reply since.

There is a crucial gap in the timeline you have presented.

You're acting, and summarising, as if your vote for Rdrivera was your last act of D1.

It wasn't.