M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[Jamiet99uk]

I scumread Brain and HB together.

I scumread Brain because of his behaviour around HB.

My vote on HB was not "forced", go back and look at the timing. I put HB into the lead!

Brainbomb is scum here. His yard work excuse is fake because he voted RDR and Chaqa around the turn of the final half hour when HB was viable. I called him out on this twice while he was present and casting votes around and he ignored me both times. I stand by my position, Ghug.

Why would scum brainbomb not vote HB though? Scum brainbomb would be accutely aware he had cased HB and provided ample reason to vote there.

Dont you think its more likely scum brainbomb wouldve followed up on his case hard and bussed the shit out of HB?

The imperfection feels much more likely to come from a town brainbomb that is just having divergent-brain.

Like I say, I've seen scum Brainbomb panic when the person they were bussing actually reached a point where they were in serious danger.

[Chaqa]

Has anyone done a deep dive into Hamilton's scum games to see if he votes teammates on Day 1? I'm wondering if we can clear Vecna.

[Jamiet99uk]

Rdr and Chaqa look good for staying on Ham from pretty far out. Chaqa was even around until the very EoD and could have tried saving Ham if they were their teammate.

Then again, that wagon flashed bright very quickly, so maybe they would worry any intervention would look scummy.

I was walking back from Wawa at EOD. I was trying to engage best I could but once people started voting Hamilton I put my phone away and ate my dinner since I figured I’d be safe

Him being scum was icing on the cake

You buy your dinner from the gas station?

[Jamiet99uk]

In addition to the pairs we know, I don't think Jamie-Brain is a pair, and I also don't think Damo-Brain is a pair.

What pairs do we know?

[damo666]

Before this gets carried away I am not chat partners with damo
I am in a chat with rdrivera

@Jamie this

[damo666]

So… guess it’s settled:
Ghug and aaro
jamie and S&c
BB and Damo
Worcej and Chaqa
Kak and HB
Vecna and Ezio
Rdr and RHK

and the catalyst

[Jamiet99uk]

Before this gets carried away I am not chat partners with damo
I am in a chat with rdrivera

@Jamie this

Well, I had made the same assumption; I thought you were Brainbomb's dancefloor dame. I explained why I thought so. So, myself and Worcej were both incorrect.

I still want to know why Brainbomb suspected his partner Rdrivera.

[Jamiet99uk]

Brainbomb I see you scuttling around at the bottom of the screen. Come up on deck and talk to us.

[Chaqa]

In addition to the pairs we know, I don't think Jamie-Brain is a pair, and I also don't think Damo-Brain is a pair.

What pairs do we know?

The dance partners...?

[Jamiet99uk]

In addition to the pairs we know, I don't think Jamie-Brain is a pair, and I also don't think Damo-Brain is a pair.

What pairs do we know?

The dance partners...?

I am not Brainbomb's dance partner.

[brainbomb]

Initial reactions to the case on Hamilton:

I mean, I kinda want to vote HB just to see if Brain is right.

Chaqa saw his own wagon growing and didnt want to kill vecna or ghug and called all the wagons trash before this. He was eager for some other idea.

There's way too much evidence, so I have a hard time seeing a way evidential analysis can avoid confirmation bias or at least suffer from being a random subset of all of the evidence.

Brain, is your Chaqa read gone or do you still have interest there?

ghug didnt really want to buy into the case and preferred chaqa to vecna or himself.

im gonna go out on a limb here and say that you did not read even 2 sentences from that case.

The annoyance begins.

+1

I think your method works well for you, brainbomb, and I think you get the attention of more people than you think. But I can't be convinced purely on meta.

Isnt interested in the case as it relies on meta.

I read everything brain.

I don't even think your HB case is meritless, since it's more meta than evidential. I just don't really agree with it and if you're going to present it as having to be true I want to hear how he's different as town.

Says the case has merit but relies on meta and he would need to see how hamilton is different as town, but the case did lay that aspect out in two examples.

Also, to get back to this game, I personally don’t think you pulling info from prior games is that useful for proving a case about hb. However, it is useful for showing how strongly you feel about him being scummy.

doesn't think using past games as comparisons, or "meta" are useful for proving talking points. dismissed the case other than to say how strongly I feel.

three people now have dismissed the case. I became annoyed after putting in the work on it.

the case shows how hes different as town and as 3p. the reads are completely different in every way when he is mafia.

do you need me to put them side by side in an image or something?

okay. im walking away. its time to just take a breather and walk away. Not gonna get into this head space.

Is anyone going to comment on this? It seems incredibly scummy. Come back brainbomb, what do you think of Kak?

Kak just seems to be shilling common opinions but in a very noncommittal way.

now sweet wants hamiltons partner to come under the gun instead for surface level "odd shillings".

I fully intended to post nothing but memes, but I didn't want to mess with Rivera.

Now I start thinking chaqa is scum with rivera and all this stuff about not wanting to offend rivera has been an act all day.

HB's bad read lists have caught him as scum before and he's sneakily my #4 on my scum list because of the reasoning he used in said list

worcej now agrees with the case but at this time Im already annoyed and have shifted to thinking there is a chaqa-rivera scum connection.

##Vote Chaqa

These wagons are all trash tho

Voting Vecna the first time he's played in decades is cruel.

Chaqa lays the groundwork for why he hates the wagons and is willing to goto hamilton.

I'm quite keen to put my trust in this Brain/Brian thing, actually.

##Vote Hamilton

I'm quite keen to put my trust in this Brain/Brian thing, actually.

##Vote Hamilton

you're actually willing to entertain this case when everyone else thinks its just meta and is totally preposterous?

up to this point, aaro, ghug, and sweet had all dismissed the case and said it was meta and had behaved as if it was preposterous to some extent if not fully.

I make a mental note that chaqa voting HB puts vecna at 4 votes, ghug at 2, and HB at 2 making vecna most likely to die. Right after chaqa had just said he didnt want vecna to die. So to me the action to try to get me to move to HB felt scummy.

I'm quite keen to put my trust in this Brain/Brian thing, actually.

##Vote Hamilton

Did you notice that Brainbomb had moved off Hamilton, onto you, by the time you cast this vote?

Jamie observes that chaqa is not voting alongside me on HB

I trust it too. I just think backing it up with evidence isn’t helpful. It seems like to me, you had a hunch and then backed it up with evidence. Unfortunately in situations like these, the evidence is incredibly influenced by selection bias.

So what I’m saying is that I trust your hunch but not the evidence. So while I think you’re likely town and have some trust in your hunch, I’m not convinced that I should change my vote.

Also I’m sure that feels very frustrating based on how sure you seem. I’m just trying to give you insight into my pov.

Aaro gives a weird answer and now seems to agree with the case, and makes a long winded post about not using evidence to make cases and that just trust hunches and people will follow. Not sure where this opinion comes from but it looks scummy.

by voting hamilton I would be improving vecna odds of death based on wagonomics

At this point I freely admit, my case on Hamilton requires vecna to be town. So I am less inclined to let vecna become a runaway lead wagon here also.

I think your Hamilton case is good work. There's possibly something in it. But you don't need to be this melodramatic all the time.

Jamie is the second person to agree with the case after worcej, and then decides that I am melodramatic to feel annoyed at this point.

Now aaro votes Kakarrotto who is HBs partner

I'm talking about when you say things like "when everyone else thinks its just meta and is totally preposterous". Everyone absolutely did not say that, and you just look like a self-absorbed crybaby when you say silly over-blown things like that. Quit it.

Jamie is still focused on the bb is a whiner aspect of it. and wants to keep harping about how pathetic I am.

So... I dont know what to do here tbh. im just so all over the place in my head.

Kak have been obviously town last time he was scum, I am not seeing the same thing this game.

Rivera shows up and reinforces the read on kak. but doesnt vote there.

Considering eod is in 3 hours, it would be nice for rdr and vecna to show up and vote.

You are right. Right now will ##vote HB

Then votes HB and doesnt say why.

I'm quite keen to put my trust in this Brain/Brian thing, actually.

##Vote Hamilton

you're actually willing to entertain this case when everyone else thinks its just meta and is totally preposterous?

Exactly!

It’s probably right

Now chaqa thinks the case is "probably right"

At this point I dont know that kak and HB are partners. in fact I was playing under the assumption kak was chat partnered with RHK. The drive up on Kak suddenly could be scum motivated by aaro and rivera to try to flip the other side of that dance partnering.

I'm quite keen to put my trust in this Brain/Brian thing, actually.

##Vote Hamilton

Did you notice that Brainbomb had moved off Hamilton, onto you, by the time you cast this vote?

He gets lost sometimes, but he’s got the spirit

Chaqa seems to get the right answer here through the fog which is something he does well as town. So I cant instantly say this is a TMI take.

I'm pretty sus of aaro switching off of Vecna as we're nearing EoD and Vecna was the top wagon. Very possible scum buddies getting cold feet about bussing into the ground.

Ezio thinks aaro is sus for pushing kaka

only read like 40% but also not understanding townreads on kaka yet. no spicytakes at all so far.

I just went through and did an iso on him and I suggest everyone else does the same. His content has been awful.

Then says kaka ISO content has been awful. So thats a very strange exchange that doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

I'm pretty sus of aaro switching off of Vecna as we're nearing EoD and Vecna was the top wagon. Very possible scum buddies getting cold feet about bussing into the ground.

This is fair. I moved because Kak’s been super weird. I was debating going back to vecna but they’ve since appeared. I’m somewhat naive but I also buy their explanation for their low posting. They also rescinded their call out of my math, and those were the two scummy things they’ve done. I feels overly convenient but I’m assuming it’s legit for now.

Aaro explains why he moved onto kak and says hes super weird.

Your switch off is also mightily convenient.
I kinda like the kak wagon, but assume for a moment you *can't* vote him at EoD. Are you switching back to Vecna?

Ezio likes the kak wagon but finds aaro moving off vecna sus

Oh wait, we have 1 hour 15 minutes. I thought we were down to 15 minutes only. I'm a lot less worried.

Then ezio doesnt find it scummy because of how much time is left in the day.

Probably not. My other scum read this game is ghug. I also think I had scum vibes from worcej early on but I think that was mostly due to how stubborn they were about math and mechanics.

I’d probably also consider HB. I don’t have much of an opinion of them but I think brain is town so I could sheep them.

now Aaro thinks HB is a consideration.

Ops, let me correct: you were obviously scum that game.

Anyway, what I meant is that I don't see this scuminess this game, you seem a lot more focused in the game.

Now rivera says he "doesnt" find kak scummy.

I'm surprised by this RD. I don't feel he's focused in the game at all. It seems to me like he's said a whole lot of nothing and taken the easy way out in all of his conversations.

When ezio made this post I found myself thinking... yes, rdrivera maybe is scum. something doesnt feel right about the HB push alongside chaqa.

##Vote rdrivera2005

And this is up to this point.

My thoughts on this are that Ezio looks like they really wanted vecna to die, and really wanted kak to become a wagon, and wanted to shade aaro for moving off vecna, despite also agreeing with the kak vote.

He then also shades rivera who is voting HB.

I think ezio is scum here, and if this is the case, aaro is NOT scum here.

Then ezio's teammate obviously is NOT vecna, so who is it?
Chaqa-sweetandcool-ghug all come to mind mostly due to what I explored above.

Jamie is town for how he thinks I am mafia, I dont think scum jamie could create this level of false certainty over a case he thinks is solidly built.

So then among worcej, damo, RHK I still think RHK is the other mafia.

So the scumteam may just be ezio-RHK

[brainbomb]

Most of what ezio has done this game is to shade people for their weaknesses, then flutter away when things are about to rouse anything meaningful. he makes good posts on the surface, but absolutely terrible votes and then shades just about everyone while trying to have everything both ways.

[brainbomb]

Dude, it's so frustrating when you act like this. I think it's a decent case. I'm sure others do. It's just not a 100% convincing slam dunk I need to vote this right now case. That doesn't make it totally preposterous.

ya SnC is town. Good to know.

He says this, then 15 minutes later without ever mentioning HB, the case, or even anything about any of that, he votes last and joins the wagon.

##vote Hamilton

Hamilton Brian (8) Chaqa rdrivera2005 sweetandcool Jamiet99uk ghug Vecna aarodactyl Ezio
Vecna (2) Kakarroto Hamilton Brian
Chaqa (2) brainbomb damo666
ghug (1) worcej*
damo666 (1) DemonRHK

Lots of clears. That's nice.

Maybe. I'm not gonna be killing people who were on HB with like 3 minutes left though. I'm gonna treat them like clears for a few days at least.

Maybe. I'm not gonna be killing people who were on HB with like 3 minutes left though. I'm gonna treat them like clears for a few days at least.

That's generally ok. I feel pretty good about Rd and sweet, and if people want to give Chaqa a day or two, fine, though that late vote really reminds me of Hamilton's attempt to save his partner (me) in the game brain was citing earlier, so I still feel like voting there.

A Chaqa/Jamie solve feels too easy right now but I'm definitely teetering on the edge of the tunnel.

idk it'd be crazy to me if both scum teammates bussed their partner on d1 like that. I think they are the scummiest looking on the HB wagon though.

[aarodactyl]

Has brain not done weird things as scum before?

I vaguely recall a game he got caught super early and outed a teammate somehow ?

I was in that game and was the cop. So scum were doomed anyways.

[Chaqa]

What pairs do we know?

The dance partners...?

I am not Brainbomb's dance partner.

I didn't say you were.

[aarodactyl]

The dance partners...?

I am not Brainbomb's dance partner.

I didn't say you were.

I think Jamie is saying that he’d like to find pairs of people that I doesn’t think can be scum together solely based on interactions during D1. Then he wants to add that to list of pairs we already have and then try to massage out some clears.

[Chaqa]

I am not Brainbomb's dance partner.

I didn't say you were.

I think Jamie is saying that he’d like to find pairs of people that I doesn’t think can be scum together solely based on interactions during D1. Then he wants to add that to list of pairs we already have and then try to massage out some clears.

That is literally what I was saying.

Jamie-Brain and Brain-Damo don't make sense to me as scum pairs.

[brainbomb]

Examples of Ezio shading someone and then backing off, trying to build wagons and then leaving them when he can.
Here is an example of where brainbomb is voting DemonRHK, and ezio attempts to drive up a wagon on sweetandcool instead.

@Brainbomb, your demonRHK case has convinced me! The first few hours of this game feel radically different from the first few hours of the games I remember, and I loved to base my scumreads off of reactions to obvious bb noise. SnC felt scummy before your post, so it doesn't count as convincing me.

At the moment I think Ghug, Kak, and Aaro are probably town.

Problem is I hadnt even made the case yet. And he agreed with the DemonRHK case, but doesnt even talk about the DemonRHK portion of it, and goes to sweetandcool instead.

Your case was that RHK was scummy responding to your fakeclaim. I read his messages and agreed. I didn't need you to paste them into a comment to find them lol.

Yo Aaro, how're you reading SnC?

Oh @RD, How are you reading Ghug so far? I've been told you're the only one who can do it correctly.

Ya let's get this started at least.

##vote sweetandcool

@Sweet Seems like you're very much in your own head here. What reads do you have that *aren't* based on mechanical noise?

@Hamilton since you're around, can you tell me how you feel about the top posters (except bb lol). Not just town vs scum, but how would you characterize their gameplay?

Also wasn't this d1 super abnormal compared to usual d1's here? There was relatively little shitposting and tons of mechanical chat, as well as a pretty small game for less noise to sort through as well.
This game seems weird, so I'd expect everyone to be weird.
Brainbomb shines through though <3

@sweet, this is your second game on the site right?

@sweet, this is your second game on the site right?

Third game :D

Thanks. Nice work last game.
I read your writing as incredibly calculating, and I associate calculating with scummy in the early game.
I'm gonna lay off you and ##vote Jamiet until you make your post with actual reads. I await it with baited breath.

The weird thing is that sweet and cool did not even do anything between this vote, and then his move away. Nothing should have prompted this vote change based on the dialogue that happened.

Welp today has been great for Worcej. I've liked every post he's made today.

He says this while posting memes of himself rubbing ghug's back and telling ghug he wants to sheep him and follow him.

I'm gonna #vote Sweetandcool again.
I'm liking Jamiet's play today as well and I don't want him to be a wagon at EoD.

man. I love SnC doubling down on scumreading the people who disagree with his secret mechanical information. It unironically makes me think he's just a disgruntled town lol.
I just can't imagine scum would double and triple down like that.

Now hes shading S&C and using this bonkers reasoning to now townread him as well.

viewtopic.php?p=351793&sid=93870ec7701b ... 69#p351793

These exchanges with worcej seem to shift to now explaining sweet and cool perhaps a bit too much. And it doesnt make much sense.

Then ezio shifts all focus to vecna.

Idk I'm gonna ##vote Vecna. I kinda feel like everyone who's online right now is town.

Im actually surprised people dont see this as blatant open wolfing.

[aarodactyl]

I didn't say you were.

I think Jamie is saying that he’d like to find pairs of people that I doesn’t think can be scum together solely based on interactions during D1. Then he wants to add that to list of pairs we already have and then try to massage out some clears.

That is literally what I was saying.

Jamie-Brain and Brain-Damo don't make sense to me as scum pairs.

My mistake. I got confused with all the back and forth that I didn’t remember who first brought it up. Hopefully that explanation helps Jamie understand what you meant.

[aarodactyl]

@brain: it’s very early in the morning here and I’m having trouble reading through your long posts. I’m doing my best but if you have a question to me hiding in the middle of one of them, I may miss it.