M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[sweetandcool]

Big snip

Going purely off of these reads, I think the best suspects to start with are Jamie, ghug and DemonRHK. Rdr and Ezio too. I think HB doesn't make that comment about scum-Damo, just because it could be interpreted as too negative.

HB seemed invested in an anti-claim=scum narrative, and while he penalized me worse than Aaro, I think Aaro still doesn't fall into the pattern we are looking at.

If you combine this with VCA, then you can probably eliminate rdr and Jamiet from the suspect pool. DemonRHK gets a pass for now because HB seemed to consistently push an agenda to get sweetandcool and DemonRHK eliminated.

Consequently, the two players who really stand out are ghug and Ezio. So maybe worcej was onto something. I'm too tired to build a real case, but we have plenty of time. I'll try to do something useful in the morning.

[Jamiet99uk]

So what are your gut reads?

Settle down there; I only gave it about 5 to 10 minutes to skim the thread. On the surface worcej and kak are coming across as genuine. I'll see how I feel after spending more time today reading and asking.

Hamilton Brian's first town-leans were Worcej, and Kak (his dance partner).

[Jamiet99uk]

They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin.

I am not going to sit down with bloodthirsty monsters who have been killing and terrifying my people.

Amusing that Hamilton inserted quotes from the Rev Ian Paisley into his posts.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hamilton Brian’s “read” on Brainbomb is interesting. These posts are all presented in chronological order:

Brainbomb is doing the king's work with the pushing. I think that's a feather in their cap at this point. +town

There's the brain I was counting on. Seems like it's on now.

Stepping away and returning here, there is just NOT a lot of substance. There's been energy spent on the mech portion, and I have contributed to that. I think my experience suggests that the whipper-uppers of that dialogue tend to be mafia trying to make noise to seem "solvable." Everything else seems to just be back-and-forths to fill the gaps.

Brain is there looking like they're agitating reactions but I don't see anyone biting. I think that's their normal play and I'd say it is NAI.

I am having the damnedest time pulling any reads out of anyone.

Where I am sitting right now, and like brain said earlier, hate a read of mine, wait five minutes.

So, these are gut reads in the order of post volume.

Brain: agitating, erratic, but then some subtle notes contained within like the idea of aaro and S&C NOT being scum together. I think a decent observation about how mafia would sit back while the rest of us deliberate the pros cons of mech. Essentially throwing nets out to see what's caught. Townlean.

...

THIS NEXT POST was a page after Brainbomb had started presenting a detailed case on Hamilton Brian:

Brain throwing lots but I expect it to change 180 several times.

And then he did not mention Brainbomb again.

So he mostly had Brainbomb as a townlean; briefly noted some Brainbomb activity as "NAI" but kept him as a townlean.

Then, after Brainbomb put out a case on him, he didn't respond really, just said he expected Brainbomb to change his mind...... which Brainbomb then did.

Interesting.

[damo666]

Nice work Jamie. I'm almost convinced.

What do you make of brain apparently revealing his partner telling would cej his assumptions were wrong.

[damo666]

@kak as the inevitable NK please ensure you leave us your thoughts. Particularly wet Chaqa and brain who are currently my top two of interest.

[damo666]

They breed like rabbits and multiply like vermin.

I am not going to sit down with bloodthirsty monsters who have been killing and terrifying my people.

Amusing that Hamilton inserted quotes from the Rev Ian Paisley into his posts.

The BBC series Once Upon a Time in Northern Ireland is well worth watching. (I've only watched first two episodes so far but I know how it ends).

[Jamiet99uk]

Nice work Jamie. I'm almost convinced.

What do you make of brain apparently revealing his partner telling would cej his assumptions were wrong.

"telling would cej"

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Could you re-articulate that sentence? I assume there is a typo.

[damo666]

Nice work Jamie. I'm almost convinced.

What do you make of brain apparently revealing his partner telling would cej his assumptions were wrong.

"telling would cej"

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Could you re-articulate that sentence? I assume there is a typo.

would cej = worcej

[Vecna]

Hah! I was just about to comment that VCA makes Jamiet look really good. Look at their last two votes and tell me scum would do that.

Are you a runner? I used to run, but my kids are too young and I don't have the time.

Look at the way he was setting brain up there, though. Tiebreaking is definitely something scum can use to move off a teammate, and his move back was pretty much forced.

Running's mostly a shoulder season thing for me when the mountains suck, but I do enjoy it.

I scumread Brain and HB together.

I scumread Brain because of his behaviour around HB.

My vote on HB was not "forced", go back and look at the timing. I put HB into the lead!

Brainbomb is scum here. His yard work excuse is fake because he voted RDR and Chaqa around the turn of the final half hour when HB was viable. I called him out on this twice while he was present and casting votes around and he ignored me both times. I stand by my position, Ghug.

Why would scum brainbomb not vote HB though? Scum brainbomb would be accutely aware he had cased HB and provided ample reason to vote there.

Dont you think its more likely scum brainbomb wouldve followed up on his case hard and bussed the shit out of HB?

The imperfection feels much more likely to come from a town brainbomb that is just having divergent-brain.

[Vecna]

im suspecting the final 2 scum could very well be ghug and damo fyi

HB:
-Stated around EOD: "Dont kill Ghug"
-Ignored both the Ghug and Damo option to save himself. Only wanted to vote me or Chaqa

Ghug:
-Went turbo-turbo on the chaqa option. Suddenly sounding very energetic to try and push through Chaqa. We've seen him do this before when his partners are on the chopping block.
-Found a reason to jump to HB, quoting his vote for me as the reason. We know he likes to be on the main wagon, but this wasnt quite it yet. I think he instinctively knew people wouldnt like that vote, and felt it was gonna swing to HB.

Damo:

I've just come on for EOD only to realise that EOD id midnight for me not 11pm.

It's a tad annoying.

My preference order of the top 4 wagons is Chaqa Vecna HB ghug (though I won't vote for ghug). Will be prepared to switc to prevent a tie.

Of the single vote wagons KAK before aaro

-Never states why he prefers me or Chaqa. Normally he wouldnt enjoy killing either of us on D1.
-Very happy to latch onto any analysis during the night that points to other people right now

[Chaqa]

Rdr and Chaqa look good for staying on Ham from pretty far out. Chaqa was even around until the very EoD and could have tried saving Ham if they were their teammate.

Then again, that wagon flashed bright very quickly, so maybe they would worry any intervention would look scummy.

I was walking back from Wawa at EOD. I was trying to engage best I could but once people started voting Hamilton I put my phone away and ate my dinner since I figured I’d be safe

Him being scum was icing on the cake

[Chaqa]

Yeah no one ever gave an actual reason to scumread me. It was pretty wild how no on else seems to care about that.

[rdrivera2005]

Look at the way he was setting brain up there, though. Tiebreaking is definitely something scum can use to move off a teammate, and his move back was pretty much forced.

Running's mostly a shoulder season thing for me when the mountains suck, but I do enjoy it.

I scumread Brain and HB together.

I scumread Brain because of his behaviour around HB.

My vote on HB was not "forced", go back and look at the timing. I put HB into the lead!

Brainbomb is scum here. His yard work excuse is fake because he voted RDR and Chaqa around the turn of the final half hour when HB was viable. I called him out on this twice while he was present and casting votes around and he ignored me both times. I stand by my position, Ghug.

Why would scum brainbomb not vote HB though? Scum brainbomb would be accutely aware he had cased HB and provided ample reason to vote there.

Dont you think its more likely scum brainbomb wouldve followed up on his case hard and bussed the shit out of HB?

The imperfection feels much more likely to come from a town brainbomb that is just having divergent-brain.

Agree with you here. Brain case on HB made me read the readlist from HB (that I skipped first time, as wall posts D1 are pointless) and lock HB as scum. Why scum Brain will put a spotlight in a scummy post from his partner and not follow through with the bus? It's not the same as saying "Look HB is scummy" to distance, it was a good case on him and the main reason he was killed.

[Chaqa]

Has brain not done weird things as scum before?

I vaguely recall a game he got caught super early and outed a teammate somehow ?

[rdrivera2005]

im suspecting the final 2 scum could very well be ghug and damo fyi

HB:
-Stated around EOD: "Dont kill Ghug"
-Ignored both the Ghug and Damo option to save himself. Only wanted to vote me or Chaqa

Ghug:
-Went turbo-turbo on the chaqa option. Suddenly sounding very energetic to try and push through Chaqa. We've seen him do this before when his partners are on the chopping block.
-Found a reason to jump to HB, quoting his vote for me as the reason. We know he likes to be on the main wagon, but this wasnt quite it yet. I think he instinctively knew people wouldnt like that vote, and felt it was gonna swing to HB.

Damo:

I've just come on for EOD only to realise that EOD id midnight for me not 11pm.

It's a tad annoying.

My preference order of the top 4 wagons is Chaqa Vecna HB ghug (though I won't vote for ghug). Will be prepared to switc to prevent a tie.

Of the single vote wagons KAK before aaro

-Never states why he prefers me or Chaqa. Normally he wouldnt enjoy killing either of us on D1.
-Very happy to latch onto any analysis during the night that points to other people right now

I am suspecting Ghug too, I was feeling something weird all day and his dismissal of Brain's case on HB and the Chaqa push looks really weird to me. Remembers me the time he was scum with me and Damo and get caught D1 tryng to save Damo.

Damo is flying under my radar, will need to re-read him but VCA doesn't look great.

[rdrivera2005]

Has brain not done weird things as scum before?

I vaguely recall a game he got caught super early and outed a teammate somehow ?

I think he outed Ghug in a game they were scum, but it was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.. .

[Jamiet99uk]

Has brain not done weird things as scum before?

I vaguely recall a game he got caught super early and outed a teammate somehow ?

I think he outed Ghug in a game they were scum, but it was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.. .

He did indeed.

I've literally been on a scumteam with Brainbomb where he started trying to bus a team-mate, only to panic when they were a serious wagon.

[Jamiet99uk]

Nice work Jamie. I'm almost convinced.

What do you make of brain apparently revealing his partner telling would cej his assumptions were wrong.

"telling would cej"

?

Could you re-articulate that sentence? I assume there is a typo.

would cej = worcej

Could you point to the Brainbomb post you are referring to, please, Damo?

I'm not quite sure I can find it.

[Chaqa]

In addition to the pairs we know, I don't think Jamie-Brain is a pair, and I also don't think Damo-Brain is a pair.