M81: A Night To Remember [GAME THREAD]

[brainbomb]

Im very much in that headspace where its like.

Or maybe its this ezio-RHK-Chaqa
or maybe its this RHK-S&C-ghug
wait it could be that rdrivera-ghug-chaqa
maybe its actually this ezio-vecna-RHK
or maybe its that aaro-chaqa-ezio



Im impressed that no one else ever has these problems.

[Chaqa]

Okay, the reads are officially being reset. starting over.

Someone dies today.

Then why did you narrow your reads down so far to begin with

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote ghug

Why are you voting for your townread, Damo?

##vote Jamie

##Vote Ghug

[brainbomb]

Okay, the reads are officially being reset. starting over.

Someone dies today.

Then why did you narrow your reads down so far to begin with

it worked very effectively last game to establish a baseline and with reactions from Eden and ghug town ultimately caught ghug, with your help and expertise on him. But the readslist also had flum and pyxxy below the baseline and ghug was visibly not happy about the reads list.

For me it proved to be an effective way to garner reactions.

I think the problem this game was too few people even cared about my reads, they didnt react. in fact the only reaction seemed to be indifference. I rushed to put it together more than I should have, and gave way too many people fee passes to the town section for minimal things. I did this hoping to annoy someone or get a scum reaction of nervousness. but the problem I face now is, what if I just loaded the whole townside with scum, then they have nothing to gripe about.

So I suspect the reads were just bad, and didnt listen enough to everyone else. I was somewhat counting on you chaqa to be part of the process, to work with me like we worked together last game. And that we found a middle ground and you shared some expertise reads with us.

[damo666]

Why are you voting for your townread, Damo?

##vote Jamie

##Vote Ghug

##vote ghug

[brainbomb]

We haven't D1ed Chaqa in a while...

Is this a real consideration? I am there currently

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote Jamie

##Vote Ghug

##vote ghug

##Vote Damo

[Chaqa]

I don't feel nearly as confident this game as I did last game.

I don't want to vote worcej today since I think he's probably town.

Other than that I don't really have a super strong town read on anyone.

Aaron seems to be full of bad takes but I don't remember if that's normal for him.

I don't even know what to make of brain having the PoE down to 3 people.

Everyone else is playing the game, I guess.

this feels reaaaaaaally similar to things ive seen chaqa say when he is scum. acting like he forgot game started, acting like the game is really weird, not understanding anything, having little to no reads.

Im pretty sure this is his scum meta.

You should put your supernaturally good re-read and digging skills to work to prove that.

[Chaqa]

Also Jamie is like, pretty clearly town here. which makes Ezio a little more confusing. I feel like ezio sheeped my case on S&C before I even wrote it, then totally didnt follow through on S&C, and the motive there maybe was to get my vote off of DemonRHK.

And then ezio pocket/buddies ghug about as blatantly as you can. All to get ezio out of the POE.

maybe.

So ezio-DemonRHK-chaqa>?

Hard disagree.

Jamie might be town, but he hasn't done anything obviously towny yet.

I'm not advocating to vote him because he has a habit of obvtowning, which I presume he will do at some point.

[Chaqa]

Im very much in that headspace where its like.

Or maybe its this ezio-RHK-Chaqa
or maybe its this RHK-S&C-ghug
wait it could be that rdrivera-ghug-chaqa
maybe its actually this ezio-vecna-RHK
or maybe its that aaro-chaqa-ezio



Im impressed that no one else ever has these problems.

That's called day 1

[Jamiet99uk]

Also Jamie is like, pretty clearly town here. which makes Ezio a little more confusing. I feel like ezio sheeped my case on S&C before I even wrote it, then totally didnt follow through on S&C, and the motive there maybe was to get my vote off of DemonRHK.

And then ezio pocket/buddies ghug about as blatantly as you can. All to get ezio out of the POE.

maybe.

So ezio-DemonRHK-chaqa>?

Hard disagree.

Jamie might be town, but he hasn't done anything obviously towny yet.

I'm not advocating to vote him because he has a habit of obvtowning, which I presume he will do at some point.

I am voting for Damo.

[Chaqa]

Okay, the reads are officially being reset. starting over.

Someone dies today.

Then why did you narrow your reads down so far to begin with

it worked very effectively last game to establish a baseline and with reactions from Eden and ghug town ultimately caught ghug, with your help and expertise on him. But the readslist also had flum and pyxxy below the baseline and ghug was visibly not happy about the reads list.

For me it proved to be an effective way to garner reactions.

I think the problem this game was too few people even cared about my reads, they didnt react. in fact the only reaction seemed to be indifference. I rushed to put it together more than I should have, and gave way too many people fee passes to the town section for minimal things. I did this hoping to annoy someone or get a scum reaction of nervousness. but the problem I face now is, what if I just loaded the whole townside with scum, then they have nothing to gripe about.

So I suspect the reads were just bad, and didnt listen enough to everyone else. I was somewhat counting on you chaqa to be part of the process, to work with me like we worked together last game. And that we found a middle ground and you shared some expertise reads with us.

Well I said early on you had too many cooks (i.e. too many town) and you reacted positively to that, and then kept throwing more town in the list, so I basically started ignoring what you were up to.

Should I have? Maybe not. But I did.

[brainbomb]

Then why did you narrow your reads down so far to begin with

it worked very effectively last game to establish a baseline and with reactions from Eden and ghug town ultimately caught ghug, with your help and expertise on him. But the readslist also had flum and pyxxy below the baseline and ghug was visibly not happy about the reads list.

For me it proved to be an effective way to garner reactions.

I think the problem this game was too few people even cared about my reads, they didnt react. in fact the only reaction seemed to be indifference. I rushed to put it together more than I should have, and gave way too many people fee passes to the town section for minimal things. I did this hoping to annoy someone or get a scum reaction of nervousness. but the problem I face now is, what if I just loaded the whole townside with scum, then they have nothing to gripe about.

So I suspect the reads were just bad, and didnt listen enough to everyone else. I was somewhat counting on you chaqa to be part of the process, to work with me like we worked together last game. And that we found a middle ground and you shared some expertise reads with us.

Well I said early on you had too many cooks (i.e. too many town) and you reacted positively to that, and then kept throwing more town in the list, so I basically started ignoring what you were up to.

Should I have? Maybe not. But I did.

Town
worcej
kakarrotto
rdrivera
aarodactyl

starting there, do you disagree on any of those

[Chaqa]

Okay, the reads are officially being reset. starting over.

Someone dies today.

Then why did you narrow your reads down so far to begin with

it worked very effectively last game to establish a baseline and with reactions from Eden and ghug town ultimately caught ghug, with your help and expertise on him. But the readslist also had flum and pyxxy below the baseline and ghug was visibly not happy about the reads list.

For me it proved to be an effective way to garner reactions.

I think the problem this game was too few people even cared about my reads, they didnt react. in fact the only reaction seemed to be indifference. I rushed to put it together more than I should have, and gave way too many people fee passes to the town section for minimal things. I did this hoping to annoy someone or get a scum reaction of nervousness. but the problem I face now is, what if I just loaded the whole townside with scum, then they have nothing to gripe about.

So I suspect the reads were just bad, and didnt listen enough to everyone else. I was somewhat counting on you chaqa to be part of the process, to work with me like we worked together last game. And that we found a middle ground and you shared some expertise reads with us.

You could maybe be onto something.

Maybe you did have all scum in your town list.

Would look good for S&C, Vecna, and HB

[Chaqa]

##Vote Ghug

##vote ghug

##Vote Damo

Yeah I'm kinda confused by Damo here too.

Damo: ghug is town
Me: you sure?
Damo: yes. @@Vote ghug

????

[sweetandcool]

Im struggling with sweetandcool because for scum they are just so exposed. they are doing everything they can to make more people scumread them and no one is defending them. And most of the people wanting to push there are in the POE or just barely out of it.

I could see that sweet and cool is trying to recapture the magic from M80 and have this long drawn out battle with their top scumread, which in that game was Xcution. And maybe they see some change in my play or a wrinkle, and they cant get over it.
the stubborness is just so on display, that it honestly doesnt seem like a scum move here. it seems like an entitled play by a newer player who trust themself and has more confidence than they probably should about their own instincts.

If I continue this line of thought I think scumteam is like chaqa-vecna-demonRHK.

I havent totally ruled out ezio as mafia here. and I havent ruled out rdrivera.

Alot of people who need to die also need to talk.

The people who are town to me are still worcej, kak, damo, aaro.

buit things are moving

Yes, I have been thinking about X. The difference is that last time I knew I was right whereas this time I'm worried that I'm just tunneled.

I would point towards your comment that I am so needlessly exposed as my main defense. I haven't played nearly as well as I would have liked D1, and to some people that looks like Mafia, but really I would rather have lurked than have been so aggressively stupid.

Mafia sweetandcool would have probably just latched on worcej's push for ghug (which sadly is actually my 2nd choice for a wagon, so I may yet make that vote anyways).

[Chaqa]

it worked very effectively last game to establish a baseline and with reactions from Eden and ghug town ultimately caught ghug, with your help and expertise on him. But the readslist also had flum and pyxxy below the baseline and ghug was visibly not happy about the reads list.

For me it proved to be an effective way to garner reactions.

I think the problem this game was too few people even cared about my reads, they didnt react. in fact the only reaction seemed to be indifference. I rushed to put it together more than I should have, and gave way too many people fee passes to the town section for minimal things. I did this hoping to annoy someone or get a scum reaction of nervousness. but the problem I face now is, what if I just loaded the whole townside with scum, then they have nothing to gripe about.

So I suspect the reads were just bad, and didnt listen enough to everyone else. I was somewhat counting on you chaqa to be part of the process, to work with me like we worked together last game. And that we found a middle ground and you shared some expertise reads with us.

Well I said early on you had too many cooks (i.e. too many town) and you reacted positively to that, and then kept throwing more town in the list, so I basically started ignoring what you were up to.

Should I have? Maybe not. But I did.

Town
worcej
kakarrotto
rdrivera
aarodactyl

starting there, do you disagree on any of those

How strong is your list here?

I would put Kak at lean town but not strong or core.

I wouldn't have Aaro or Rivera past null

[Chaqa]

As in, when you say Town, do you mean:

Lock Town
Core Town
Strong Town
Lean Town

or is this simply "more likely town than scum" which I think is wildly less helpful and more confusing than gradient reads

[Chaqa]

I was about to post it's odd how quiet ghug is being, but he's the second highest poster.

It could just be me, but someone posting that much and leaving no impact on me is a bit odd, especially for ghug.

[brainbomb]

it isnt a gradient. its the people from my original townleans who I think deserve to stay there for a myriad of reasons.

I dont see those people as scum here. call it Hard Town