M1025 Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Is there not some sort of monty hall problem here where I should flip on Bozo at final three because the host (mafia) opened the Bona and Jamie doors and there was no goat behind them? lol

Only if you want to lose.

[Chaqa]

Pyxxy, any last words?

[Chaqa]

I'm going to at least give pyx a chance to speak

[Chaqa]

Fun fact: Flum did not acknowledge ghug's existance until near EoD1. Weird.

[Chaqa]

I have to run one of my many dogs to the vet for a shot quick, but when we're back I plan to dig into some more things. Pyx, if you want to vote Bozo and end, sure, but I'm gonna be awhile in my research

[pyxxy]

I have to run one of my many dogs to the vet for a shot quick, but when we're back I plan to dig into some more things. Pyx, if you want to vote Bozo and end, sure, but I'm gonna be awhile in my research

I'm still busy and will be for maybe another 6-8 hours, cannot real time until day is done and probably won't post again either

I'm home charging my phone rn so this is my one laptop post that I get :3 been thinking about this while driving around

I'll give my best at what I think is the case here, but, wp bozo, I feel pretty outclassed
VCA
- D1:
04:55 pyx ➙Bun 3 wor 3 boz 2 pyx 2 Bun
00:30 Flu Pre➙wor 4 wor 3 boz
00:23 boz Jam➙wor 5 wor 4 boz 1 pyx 1 Bun
00:01 ghu boz➙wor 7 wor 3 boz
- D2:
00:05 boz Bun➙ghu 4 ghu 3 Bun 3 boz
00:02 pyx Bun➙ghu 5 ghu 3 boz 2 Bun
- D3:
27:43 boz ➙Bun 2 dam 1 Bun 1 Flu 1 boz
21:56 pyx ➙Bun 2 Bon 2 Bun 2 Flu 1 dam
00:03 pyx Bun➙dam 3 Flu 3 Bun 2 dam 1 Bon

Fluminator should theoretically vote BunnyGo to save himself.

Get off. I’m the doc!!! I’m off

I do not believe this claim.

- D4, the bunny hammer:
01:20 boz Bun➙pyx 1 pyx
- D5:
25:37 pyx dam➙Flu 3 pyx 2 dam 2 Flu
23:44 boz dam➙Flu 3 Flu 3 pyx 1 dam
22:35 pyx Flu➙dam 3 pyx 2 Flu 2 dam
00:21 boz Flu➙pyx 3 dam 2 pyx 2 Flu
- D6:
00:47 boz Flu➙pyx 1 Flu 1 pyx
00:14 boz pyx➙Flu 3 Flu 1 pyx

- I treated you as a townlock starting N1 based on D1 VCA and never seriously reconsidered you until we started reevaluating each other
- But, your voting history and mine are actually surprisingly similar
- You're the roleblocker so it actually makes some sense that you would tip over ghug's wagon to cement a moderate townlock into a solid one, whereas before it just look good, now there's a plausible scum motivation
- We only talk a little on D3
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... zotheclown
but after bona's tie, you're happy to stick a vote on me D4 and start tying me to Flum
- Not believing bunny's claim and saying so in the thread lines up with killing brain
- I'm not even awake before y'all hammer bunny but you were sure down to run that through
- Eager to flip me before Flum, even up until yesterday when Flum was a dead man walking

that's all I've got time for rn, I will oblige the cross as it feels rude not to (normally I hold my vote in kilo for a bit, or at least until I'm active)

##VOTE Bozo
##END

[Chaqa]

I promise to make a choice by 5 PM

[Chaqa]

ah well

scum wouldn't ever nk me so i can do it tomorrow

Famous last words

[Chaqa]

@pyxxy/Bozo: what do each of you make of Bona's kill the other night?

Same for Jamie over me

[Chaqa]

Why are you town reading pyxxy again?
(Still out phoneposting)

I'm actually going to start by looking at pyxxy instead of the bona-damo pair. I feel like maybe we've been giving pyxxy a pass too much this game.

One thing that's interesting is ghug town read pyxxy all game for the weirdest garble catchup post I've ever seen.

bits and bobs
- page 13 makes my eyebrows twitch >:( bunny and ghug being little weirdos
- bozo rand idea is hilarious, I'm down
- bunny calling bona obv town after being scum last game is also hilarious
- @everyone: is bunny the type to actively try to break his meta after losing as scum?
- @rdr I'll stop making the lego joke it's worn out sorry about that
- lmao get randed bozo
- hi worcej
- confused about bozo's pivot to an actual short-list but honored I made it

- carving this out into its own line: wait @bunny okay you seem serious, what did I screw up about scum chat?
You're talking about this, right?


From the #mafia-chat discord channel:
"So ummm…fox was right. I took my method acting too far. Forgot I was scum. And then forgot PRs were a thing…

Luckily too scummy to be scum!" -BunnyGo

post-death meant I saw you post this since you killed me N1

I think maybe you're saying that it wasn't intentional PR hunting _as scum_? Which I didn't say. I said you PR hunted worcej and like......you literally say that in the discord. Idk what else "Fox was right" could mean.

I'm not trying to be nitpicky or annoying I'm just like.....maybe you forgot this too........because......you have a history of......yeah.

- hi Jamie
- tele-what now
- am I going to have to solve if bunny tunneling me is town or scum :|
- interesting that bozo is finding me as very different from my usual town game but he is also not playing what I perceive as his usual town game aka surveys. for legal reasons this isn't shade
- ah, worcej returns
- re: Eden, worcej walking up to 4 is kinda surprising. maybe it was just the simplest case?
- if it's not clear yes I agree that random voting is bad it's funny but bad
- @eden what makes you want to take bozo off the table? I think he's pretty firmly in will-vote for D1 activities, but maybe I'm not putting together the puzzle correctly
- oh okay I think Bunny is just going hog wild not actually tunneling me. I think this is funny _and_ I want to see if he can sustain it, let's keep him around for another day :D

also worth a line break
- @brain, I do talk about vibes but I don't think I always use the word vibes. I tend to be mech-heavy to compensate for still being meh about scumhunting, and that means I lack confidence in my scum reads a lot of the time (imo it's a way to find me as scum e.g. being too confident in scumreading someone). sometimes I'll say "gut reads" or just "gut", it means mostly the same thing. here in my earlier presence in the thread I really was more about the vibes part of the venn diagram, because I was picking up on thread feel rather than how specific people felt

- hi damo
- @bunny I say that wow you've been posting a lot since I posted about it, huh buddy
- @brain here's your content post, please chew and feel free to spit it out if it's unsatisfactory
- sort of on the "data" bit, I didn't consider it "data" in the way that I treat true mech. it was me expressing a gut/vibe/read on the situation. honestly now that I'm almost to current and Bunny is still locked on me about this, I'm beginning to think this is scum Bunny purposely breaking his meta and tunneling me D1 because gambler's fallacy that he would nk me N1 last game and then try to get me chopped D1 this game + he knows that he has to break his meta from last game or get caught since it's in everyone's memory

so uh ##VOTE BunnyGo

there was another page or two after this but I'm a little peeved so I think it's funnier to just let this rock and glare at bunny >:(

This guy really just said he didn't want to vote Bunny and then voted him a paragraph later.

bunny is pretty obvious as town here. so once again pyxxy is positioned in a way that seems scummy

Is scumreading Bunny necessarily scummy if you don't know him that well, though?

I thought Pyxxy's effort and progression in the catch-up felt authentic.

This is kind of weird to me. Ghug simultaneously shades and townreads pyxxy. This doesn't seem like a pocketing attempt if his first post was to sort of shade him. (before townreading him for ??? reasons)

He barely does anything on day 1 and isn't around at eod. If bozo is town, then that's exactly what a mafia would do in this case.

alright I made it to SON, going to sleep now, will finish catching up tomorrow

Here he assumed he's not getting nightkilled. It was a fair guess, but the way he outright assumes it is a little wierd.

I see in the bot
Wagon # Voters
ghug (4)
Chaqa President Eden BunnyGo bozotheclown
bozotheclown (3)
Bonatogether Jamiet99uk ghug
BunnyGo (3)
Fluminator damo666 pyxxy
damo666 (1)
brainbomb

is this mostly right? I'm voting ghug + saving bozo

I wrote him off for voting ghug for a bit, but here he's the last person to vote ghug and based on his own post ghug was already getting killed and had the majority. So I don't know if he gets credit for voting ghug,

yo let's goooooooooo

@Chaqa so uh, Flum next? also you've earned an "I told you so" if you want to drop that at some point

As soon as ghug was killed, he sheeped Chaqa's take that ghug and I were scumbuddies. If he was mafia here, his first instinct being to set up a miskill after being forced to bus his partner makes a lot of sense as he'd want to even out the loss.
His celebration feels forced considering he goes straight to business

yo let's goooooooooo

@Chaqa so uh, Flum next? also you've earned an "I told you so" if you want to drop that at some point

(for legal reasons this is a joke I'm not sold on Flum but Chaqa deserves a victory lap)

He says after it's a joke, but it's still shading chaqa and pushing him my direction.

Day 3 is the bunny wagon, and tbh, I think most people on the bunny wagon are pretty suspicious considering he literally voted ghug early on in the wagon. Although this means bona falls under that still.

Pyxxy then spends most of the night after (after the bunny debacle) talking to a dead player who can't respond ??? What's the point of that.

I think Pyxxy could use a bit of pressure, he hasn't received much all game

##Vote Pyxxy

Would Flum try to draw so much attention to his RBer teammate immediately after a doc save on the 7-person day? He needs to get a miskill here. Unless he's planning for Pyxxy to counter-push him?

Continues at the 22 hours left mark:

If you're fine with either me or pyxxy, why are you voting me over pyxxy when pyxxy has 3 votes already?

Is this next post Flum asking Bozo what the plan is?

If we vote pyxxy and he flips town, bozo, would you then kill damo and bona while clearing me as town in your view?

Or is it Flum trying to figure out if bussing pyxxy can win him the game? Hmmm

[Chaqa]

If I get hammered while I'm at a meeting or something, then I'll just spit something out now.
I think it's possible the scumteam is pyxxy/bozo. Bozo turned on a dime when it looked like pyxxy could actually be killed despite apparently scumreading him not long before (and refused to vote him).
It's also still possible bona/damo.
I don't think it's Chaqa anymore. I think at this point it's safe to bet the game on Chaqa being town. Same with Jamiet.

I think this game comes down to Jamiet and Chaqa (probably whoever doesn't get nightkilled) deciding correctly between the pair of bona/damo or bozo/pyxxy at lylo. If Bozo is the doc by some chance, then I think we're still in good shape.

If this is my last post, then have fun figuring it out, no pressure lol.

i feel like this post has some really crucial stuff to analyze.

I wish I was smarter

[Chaqa]

I am concerned that if we DK damo and he is town, we are not going to have the votes to follow through with Fluminator and pyxxy.

Prescient

[Chaqa]

At the races do not kill me

If I die it's Flum and Bozo

Idk I think this Damon guy might be onto something

[Chaqa]

I've resorted to re-reading.

[Chaqa]

Hello Bozo.

We are doing two surveys.

You like surveys.

Will you participate?

no

##Vote Bozo
#NED

(this is purposefully wrong don't @ me)

[Chaqa]

##VOTE bozo

OMGUS and also the Eden vote was cap.

You only vote for me D1 when you are mafia.

##Vote ghug

We got him boys

Man that Chaqa guy is good

[Chaqa]

Updated entries in today's contest:

Cakes2.jpg

A work of art

[Chaqa]

alright who wants to bet on how quickly I can town slip this time

If you can do it on demand you should really be saving it for the late game

Between the back and forth between Bozo and ghug looking not at all like scum theater, and this, I'm really leaning toward ##vote pyxxy right now

[Chaqa]

Got bored mid re-read and went back and checked all of Bozo's scum games.

m79 did not bus d1
m77 did not bus d1
m71 did not bus d1
m70 did not bus d1 (this was a closed setup, so *)
m1017 did not bus d1

m1016 bozo DID bus d1!!! - I vaguely remember Durga complaining about this bus at some point I think. I wonder if Bozo would also bus Ghug.

[Chaqa]

Nor in m63.