M1025 Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

I started my review to see if Fluminator/pyxxy/ghug makes sense as the mafia team, and it turns out I voted for all 3 of them within 39 seconds on D1. I now hope this is correct, because that would have to be some kind of a record.

[bozotheclown]

rdrivera spent the majority of D1 voting for pyxxy, and PE had pyxxy and Fluminator in a 6 player scum pool N2, but Bonatogether and damo were included also:

D1 worcej voters still alive: Chaqa, myself, damo, Flum, bozo, Bunny
D1 non-worcej voters still alive: Bona, Jamie, pyxxy, brain

In the case where bozo is scum, I could see all three mafia being on worcej's wagon, but I could also see one teammate being off-wagon for various reasons:
- Bona/Jamie could have bused
- pyx was afk
This probably precludes brain + bozo + ghug (not that it was a likely team anyway IMO).

In the case where bozo is town, scum has no real incentive to care beyond not looking weird. A rule of thumb suggests that they wouldn't all dogpile worcej, but there's no logical reason why they couldn't have.

I think my POE at this point is damo, Flum, Bunny, Bona, Jamie, pyxxy, and I need to find a way to take two of those names out of the pool.

[Chaqa]

Rivera was PR hunting for sure but the Eden thing may be something.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm back, need to catch up from my last post.

Why are you talking about Rdrivera PR hunting? He was a VT, we know that.

[bozotheclown]

Rivera was PR hunting for sure but the Eden thing may be something.

PE had all of the scum candidates in his POE, though.

[bozotheclown]

I'm back, need to catch up from my last post.

Why are you talking about Rdrivera PR hunting? He was a VT, we know that.

Chaqa was saying the rdrivera NK was PR hunting.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am now caught up, and based just on today, Bonatogether and damo seem like town to me and pyxxy and Fluminator seem like mafia bussing each other.

I plan to go back and see if Fluminator/pyxxy/ghug makes sense.

##VOTE Fluminator

This is a disappointing catch-up Bozo. I hope you can spell out why you think Damo is town?

Damo's reaction to the Doc claims was to engage in assertive, demanding PR hunting, don't you think?

I hope as I catch up I will read more about Bozo's "Damo is town" theory.

[Jamiet99uk]

Conclusion:

Bona caused a tie on purpose to save his team-mate Damo.

His excuse that he thought there was time left for Fluminator to break the tie is nonsense, because Fluminator was the one person in that situation who specifically could not move his vote.

The prosecution rests.

This is what I concluded was most likely N4. However, even though Bonatogether tied the vote with 17 seconds left, I saw it only about 5 seconds too late to break the tie, and Fluminator obviously did see it in time to break the tie if he was in a position to do so, which I think was Bonatogether's point.

Forcing a tie there is obviously something a mafia would not want to do because it would look so suspicious, but if Bonatogether and damo are the remaining mafia, I think it was Bonatogether's best option considering the circumstances, which is why I still think Bonatogether/damo is a possibility.

Bonatogether and damo as town would know obviously this is not true, but pyxxy and Fluminator not giving more consideration to this than they seem to have seems suspicious to me, like they might have decided N4 to bus each other today to try to get town credit if either one is the DK.

But Fluminator was the one person not in a position to break the tie as I have very clearly set out.

It appears clear to me that either:

a) Bona caused a tie in order to save Damo, or

b) Bona is a fucking idiot who could not order a potato salad, given 5 minutes and a clearly-written menu, in a restaurant which served only potato salad and no other foodstuffs.

[Jamiet99uk]

I started my review to see if Fluminator/pyxxy/ghug makes sense as the mafia team, and it turns out I voted for all 3 of them within 39 seconds on D1. I now hope this is correct, because that would have to be some kind of a record.

Is this sarcasm?

You also voted for me and Worcej during that pointless flurry of votes. Do you think I am scum?

[bozotheclown]

The only voting between Fluminator/pyxxy/ghug before D5 was pyxxy voting for ghug D2.

pyxxy moved between ghug and BunnyGo D2 EOD but left his vote on BunnyGo while the DK was essentially decided when Chaqa, PE, BunnyGo, and I finally agreed to all vote for ghug, then pyxxy placed a final vote for ghug:

sorry tabbed away

##VOTE ghug ?

[Jamiet99uk]

I am caught up and I am extremely underwhelmed by Bozo's recent posts.

Bozo, why is Damo town?

Look at Damo's reactions to any mention of the Doctor, and look at Damo's reaction to my survival last night, and make a clear logical case for him being town, please.

I am not moving from Damo unless I see some evidence that I am wrong. I have the courage of my convictions here, I really do.

[bozotheclown]

I am now caught up, and based just on today, Bonatogether and damo seem like town to me and pyxxy and Fluminator seem like mafia bussing each other.

I plan to go back and see if Fluminator/pyxxy/ghug makes sense.

##VOTE Fluminator

This is a disappointing catch-up Bozo. I hope you can spell out why you think Damo is town?

Damo's reaction to the Doc claims was to engage in assertive, demanding PR hunting, don't you think?

I hope as I catch up I will read more about Bozo's "Damo is town" theory.

Yes, but damo does that as town, I think with the assumption that if he can find PRs the mafia can also.

I still do think it is possible that damo figured out the situation and made some posts that he would make as town. I think DKing damo would be OK to find out, because if damo is town I think Bonatogether is town, and we would still be able to get Fluminator and pyxxy, but if Fluminator flips town we also have a chance to find the last 2 mafia in damo/Bonatogether/pyxxy.

[Jamiet99uk]

Is that all, Bozo?

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok then.

##End.

[bozotheclown]

Conclusion:

Bona caused a tie on purpose to save his team-mate Damo.

His excuse that he thought there was time left for Fluminator to break the tie is nonsense, because Fluminator was the one person in that situation who specifically could not move his vote.

The prosecution rests.

This is what I concluded was most likely N4. However, even though Bonatogether tied the vote with 17 seconds left, I saw it only about 5 seconds too late to break the tie, and Fluminator obviously did see it in time to break the tie if he was in a position to do so, which I think was Bonatogether's point.

Forcing a tie there is obviously something a mafia would not want to do because it would look so suspicious, but if Bonatogether and damo are the remaining mafia, I think it was Bonatogether's best option considering the circumstances, which is why I still think Bonatogether/damo is a possibility.

Bonatogether and damo as town would know obviously this is not true, but pyxxy and Fluminator not giving more consideration to this than they seem to have seems suspicious to me, like they might have decided N4 to bus each other today to try to get town credit if either one is the DK.

But Fluminator was the one person not in a position to break the tie as I have very clearly set out.

It appears clear to me that either:

a) Bona caused a tie in order to save Damo, or

b) Bona is a fucking idiot who could not order a potato salad, given 5 minutes and a clearly-written menu, in a restaurant which served only potato salad and no other foodstuffs.

I agree that is what it looks like Bonatogether was doing, but I think what Bonatogether was saying about Fluminator is that Fluminator's post proved that someone could have seen him tie the vote in time to break the tie, which is true.

[Chaqa]

@Jamie: can we do Flum first please. I actually agree somewhat with Bozo on Damo atm.

[bozotheclown]

I started my review to see if Fluminator/pyxxy/ghug makes sense as the mafia team, and it turns out I voted for all 3 of them within 39 seconds on D1. I now hope this is correct, because that would have to be some kind of a record.

Is this sarcasm?

You also voted for me and Worcej during that pointless flurry of votes. Do you think I am scum?

It was an observation, I was not saying it made Fluminator/pyxxy/ghug any more likely to be the mafia team.

[Jamiet99uk]

This is what I concluded was most likely N4. However, even though Bonatogether tied the vote with 17 seconds left, I saw it only about 5 seconds too late to break the tie, and Fluminator obviously did see it in time to break the tie if he was in a position to do so, which I think was Bonatogether's point.

Forcing a tie there is obviously something a mafia would not want to do because it would look so suspicious, but if Bonatogether and damo are the remaining mafia, I think it was Bonatogether's best option considering the circumstances, which is why I still think Bonatogether/damo is a possibility.

Bonatogether and damo as town would know obviously this is not true, but pyxxy and Fluminator not giving more consideration to this than they seem to have seems suspicious to me, like they might have decided N4 to bus each other today to try to get town credit if either one is the DK.

But Fluminator was the one person not in a position to break the tie as I have very clearly set out.

It appears clear to me that either:

a) Bona caused a tie in order to save Damo, or

b) Bona is a fucking idiot who could not order a potato salad, given 5 minutes and a clearly-written menu, in a restaurant which served only potato salad and no other foodstuffs.

I agree that is what it looks like Bonatogether was doing, but I think what Bonatogether was saying about Fluminator is that Fluminator's post proved that someone could have seen him tie the vote in time to break the tie, which is true.

Do you think it is reasonable to force a tie with, as you put it, 17 seconds to go, and to legitimately expect that the tie will be broken?? WHY CAUSE A TIE WITH SUCH A SHORT SPACE OF FUCKING TIME REMAINING, FOR FUCKING JESUS CHRIST'S SAKE?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie: can we do Flum first please. I actually agree somewhat with Bozo on Damo atm.

No.

[Jamiet99uk]

I need to be presented with a clear argument that Damo is not scum.

That is yet to occur.