MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[ghug]

Xorxes, why didn't you try to lunch Rivera yesterday?

I hope to not be lunched, I am not tasteful.

ill eat u bb

[rdrivera2005]

Ok, some quick thougts as I didn´t have time for a big readlist and I am having a busy day at work. Sorry for not being able to put more effort on this, but I don't think I have any chance to be a NK, so tomorrow I will try to be more engaged.

Clears: BB, y2k, damo. Stop with bullshit theories, y2k isn't scum. BB isn't scum. Speculating this kind of thing just help scum.

Probably Town: Demon - The Heart claim is as towny as it can be. Durga - Can’t see why scum would claim cannon N0. Flash - I think Moscow shoot was towny. Worcej - This is a read that is starting to fade, but his D1 was really towny in his interaction with Squigs, that tried to set him for lynch.

Could be scum: Xorxes - I really don´t like the way he is playing and tunneling on me. He is a really smart player and I don’t think he should be alive at lylo unless cleared somehow. Ghug - More or less the same logic on Xorxes, I don´t remember Ghug really pushing some case or doing some real effort and his EOD1 was scummy.

Have no fucking idea, so lynching isn’t a bad call: ND, Vecna, Yav, in this order. Yav looks towny, but if not cleared he would need to be lynched because of the heart before close to lylo.

[xorxes]

The theif should absolutely not claim right now. It gives mafia someone to target and doesn't tell us anything about my alignment.

The thief should claim if I'm lying, but I'm not, so that's a moot point.

ghug, do you remember what you meant by that?

We were discussing a town thief claiming. If mafia know where the replacement head is and we eventually run out of clears, the advantage of the replacement head can be easily neutralized by killing its owner.

OK. I agree it was a bad idea for the thief to claim, but only because it reduced the pool of PCs, I never thought mafia would ever target the thief, head or no head.

[rdrivera2005]

The theif should absolutely not claim right now. It gives mafia someone to target and doesn't tell us anything about my alignment.

The thief should claim if I'm lying, but I'm not, so that's a moot point.

ghug, do you remember what you meant by that?

We were discussing a town thief claiming. If mafia know where the replacement head is and we eventually run out of clears, the advantage of the replacement head can be easily neutralized by killing its owner.

What is the advantage of the replacement head for town? It doesn't reveal alignment and only works for lynches.

[xorxes]

Could be scum: Xorxes - I really don´t like the way he is playing and tunneling on me.

Do you think my tunneling on you is the only/main thing I'm doing? If you take that away, it seems you are mostly in agreement with me on everything else. We voted together both days.

He is a really smart player and I don’t think he should be alive at lylo unless cleared somehow.

You don't want smart players alive at lylo?

[y2kjbk]

Could be scum: Xorxes - I really don´t like the way he is playing and tunneling on me.

Do you think my tunneling on you is the only/main thing I'm doing? If you take that away, it seems you are mostly in agreement with me on everything else. We voted together both days.

He is a really smart player and I don’t think he should be alive at lylo unless cleared somehow.

You don't want smart players alive at lylo?

you're defending yourself to rdrivera by saying you two have agreed on everything?

[xorxes]

Could be scum: Xorxes - I really don´t like the way he is playing and tunneling on me.

Do you think my tunneling on you is the only/main thing I'm doing? If you take that away, it seems you are mostly in agreement with me on everything else. We voted together both days.

He is a really smart player and I don’t think he should be alive at lylo unless cleared somehow.

You don't want smart players alive at lylo?

you're defending yourself to rdrivera by saying you two have agreed on everything?

Defending from what?

[y2kjbk]

Defending from "Could be scum: xorxes"

[ghug]

ghug, do you remember what you meant by that?

We were discussing a town thief claiming. If mafia know where the replacement head is and we eventually run out of clears, the advantage of the replacement head can be easily neutralized by killing its owner.

What is the advantage of the replacement head for town? It doesn't reveal alignment and only works for lynches.

It has power in MYLO in that scum can't safely sell out to lynch someone in the final moments, and if they do get the holder lynched, they then have to get town lynched again. It obviously has much more power for scum in LYLO.

I tend to think our thief was town, because targeting someone night 0 as scum would be suboptimal unless that someone was Durga (whose claim they apparently didn't believe at all?)

[y2kjbk]

or believed her retraction

[xorxes]

Defending from "Could be scum: xorxes"

Ah, ok. I was just saying he is not being objective in analyzing my game, because he is only focusing on the part where I scumread him. If he is town, he shouldn't obsess so much about that.

[ghug]

or believed her retraction

Her retraction was so obviously bullshit though. I'm still irked by the fact nothing happened to her that night.

[y2kjbk]

her retraction did nothing to make me change my save target

[xorxes]

I tend to think our thief was town, because targeting someone night 0 as scum would be suboptimal unless that someone was Durga (whose claim they apparently didn't believe at all?)

Why do you think they didn't believe her claim if the thief was town?

Do you think mafia would waste a kill on a cannon holder?

[y2kjbk]

It's possible they thought roleblocking durga would be a clearing act so they didn't do that. and they rightly assumed a nurse kit would visit her.

[rdrivera2005]

Could be scum: Xorxes - I really don´t like the way he is playing and tunneling on me.

Do you think my tunneling on you is the only/main thing I'm doing? If you take that away, it seems you are mostly in agreement with me on everything else. We voted together both days.

He is a really smart player and I don’t think he should be alive at lylo unless cleared somehow.

You don't want smart players alive at lylo?

That's a good question. I would hope to have a smart clear one at lylo, but it doesn't seems likely

I think the risk of having scum Xorxes to manipulate the game to a scum win is bigger then the benefit of town Xorxes being alive. And I think the same is probably valid to me, town would need to flip me before EOD because I am an easy myslinch.

[ghug]

I tend to think our thief was town, because targeting someone night 0 as scum would be suboptimal unless that someone was Durga (whose claim they apparently didn't believe at all?)

Why do you think they didn't believe her claim if the thief was town?

Do you think mafia would waste a kill on a cannon holder?

Hardly a waste N0. She's someone who's been fear killed before too.

[rdrivera2005]

It's possible they thought roleblocking durga would be a clearing act so they didn't do that. and they rightly assumed a nurse kit would visit her.

That's an interesting though. I would add that I never tried to block a Vig shot as scum, as it usually hit town.

[ghug]

It's possible they thought roleblocking durga would be a clearing act so they didn't do that. and they rightly assumed a nurse kit would visit her.

Oh, I guess I haven't really rethought this since I realized nurses could visit repeatedly without using their kits. That makes sense.

[DemonRHK]

My top suspicions are on Yavu, Ghug, and ND

Ghug does a lot of deflecting tying everything to be about the head, but it’s a bubble defense I haven’t seen a ton of probing through.

Yavu...well we need an answer tomorrow as a lynch at the latest. He exudes scum.

ND still feels off. I flipped to avoid a tie, but I am still thinking ND very well could be scum.



I’ve always been shit at reading, I’m better with stats.



Yavu ‘pushed’ ND all day before hammering Tom. No D1 because snowy.

Ghug finished off of Squigs, and even jumped off the wagon at 20 to EoD. Sat on Tom the last half of day 2. If Ghug is scum, y2k is no longer clear as well.

ND suffers from appearing to be saved, plus an extremely lackluster early game. Sat on Tom end to end for D1.

Depending on how night goes, I want to see that pool up, Yavu preferred.