M1025 Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

I think this is a valid reason to ##Vote Fluminator.

That's what I've been saying

I have come around to your line of thinking.

Do you still think Bozo is the other one?

When did Chaqa say that?

[damo666]

Ironically, I think there's on average about 1.5 mafia on the ghug wagon.

Don't clear anyone involved.

Nah. I think Pyxxy is the only possible busser (and I know you love a bus).

There is at least one scum in {Bona, Jamie, Flum, brain} possibly both

VCA working backwards from D" making no assumptions other than known facts:

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Town core {damo, Bozo, Bunny, Chaqa, Pyxxy}

Possible scum: Bona, brain, Flum, Jamie

I find it hard to order those 4 but gun to head I'll say Flum, Bona, Jamie, brain

##vote Flum but essentially happy with any of those 4

damo your big VCA definitely shows effort but given it exactly matches what you decided the suspool should be during night, it kinda just feels like you drafted it at night with your scum partner

the original post is more authentic (yes I'm just bothering bunny) because theoretically it was before you had time to plan for what to do after your scum partner ghug flipped

so it kinda just feels like you reacted in the moment and now are trying to justify it

you've already voted bona and flum today, you've sussed jamie in the thread. only one untouched is brain, but given I townread brain (and so do others), I wanna think that that list is town and you're just scum

but then that makes me have to think that bunny is actually town somehow because of this difference idea that I'm chewing on

if anyone including you two have thoughts on this, I welcome all comments. I'm thinking this is where my focus is today. I also wanted to look at the midday D2 wagons again since the pool of people that have at least one person sussing them is very very large, and I want to maybe try to use the push and pull around ghug to help us narrow things down

The initial post was based on the assumption of minimal or no bussing. The vca came to the same conclusion. So it's inevitable they match.

As for the time gap I was busy.

[bozotheclown]

But flipping YOU provides D1 AND D2 EOD intel

Maybe I missed it but what questions are you trying to answer by flipping bozo?

Nothing about D2+N2 has changed my townread on him and so that continues to make me suspicious that you want his flip so badly. It feels like you're just gonna claim "oops, tunneled" afterwards and we'll be down a solid town.

So what specifically would bozo flipping town/scum solve for you? Who's the third in each scenario, in your opinion?

I made my case regarding bozo. Brain and others have made different cases before.

My statement is to point out his inanity that flipping me is useful to clear up the wagons day 2.

Although I mentioned that in a response to Chaqa, my primary reason for wanting to DK you today is not to get information about the D2 wagons, it is because I think you are mafia, as I have made clear.

[damo666]

Why?

And why such a big word?

because it's Brits v Yanks and I believe you Bozo and Pyxxy are on the same side as me.

Why do you town read me I meant.

I don't. My VCA indicates it is very unlikely you are scum so I'm just assuming you're town.

[damo666]

Pairs:
Bonatogether - bozotheclown
Bonatogether - brainbomb
Bonatogether - BunnyGo
Bonatogether - damo666
Bonatogether - Fluminator
Bonatogether - Jamiet99uk
Bonatogether - pyxxy

bozotheclown - brainbomb
bozotheclown - BunnyGo
bozotheclown - damo666
bozotheclown - Fluminator
bozotheclown - Jamiet99uk
bozotheclown - pyxxy

brainbomb - BunnyGo
brainbomb - damo666
brainbomb - Fluminator
brainbomb - Jamiet99uk
brainbomb - pyxxy

BunnyGo - damo666
BunnyGo - Fluminator
BunnyGo - Jamiet99uk
BunnyGo - pyxxy

damo666 - Fluminator
damo666 - Jamiet99uk
damo666 - pyxxy

Fluminator - Jamiet99uk
Fluminator - pyxxy

Jamiet - pyxxy

For use in future

I've already narrowed this down to six.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo and @Pyxxy

I believe you are voting for a compatriot

That is what you said about ghug.

Why don't you think BunnyGo just bussed ghug at EOD? It seems like he preferred to DK you over ghug. Also, PE, pyxxy, and I made it clear we were OK DKing BunnyGo or ghug, and we settled on ghug because BunnyGo obviously would have voted for me if necessary to save himself, and Chaqa said he would also, but BunnyGo and Chaqa, if mafia, would not be able to vote for me to save ghug.

[bozotheclown]

Damo's return was pretty underwhelming but I kind of want to vote someone else lol

I don't know why you are giving BunnyGo any town credit for the ghug DK. Please read my previous post responding to damo.

[damo666]

VCA working backwards from D" making no assumptions other than known facts:

worcej rdr eden: dead town

ghug: dead scum

damo: live town

Day 2

Bona: prob not scumpair with Bozo (though could be bussing)
Bozo: switching to ghug at Bunny4:ghug3 would only make sense for scum Bozo if and only if Bunny is Roleblocker; however very probably town
Brain: nothing discernible
Bunny: Possible roleblocker but only if scumteam is precisely ghug, Bozo, Bunny; likely town
Chaqa: could have been caught in a bus (we know how he likes a bus) but only makes sense if Bunny is roleblocker but given the above comment on Bunny must assume he is town
Flum: probably not scumpair with Bunny
Jamie: probably not scumpair with Bozo
Pyx: could have bussed but again probably only if Bunny is roleblocker so given the Bunny comment must assume town (also he could have tied it)

ghug voting Bozo makes little sense unless the scumteam is precisely ghug, Bozo, Bunny

Day 1

ghug moving off Bozo when vote became worcej 6:Bozo 4 makes no sense as a bus so must conclude Bozo is town.

Bozo town implies Bunny is town which implies Chaqa and Pyxxy are town.

Town core {damo, Bozo, Bunny, Chaqa, Pyxxy}

Possible scum: Bona, brain, Flum, Jamie

I find it hard to order those 4 but gun to head I'll say Flum, Bona, Jamie, brain

##vote Flum but essentially happy with any of those 4

I don't see how you conclude that me being town implies BunnyGo is town. Why doesn't ghug voting for me make sense to you if I am town and BunnyGo is mafia?

A) because I have already concluded in Bunny D2 that Bunny can only be scum if you are

B) if you are town and Bunny is scum then Bunny moving to ghug from me at T-5 when the votes were Bunny 4 Bozo 3 ghug 2 damo 2 makes no sense. Either he stays on me and hopes or simply moves to you.

[Fluminator]

##Vote Bona
Will be on more tomorrow. I feel like Bona is coasting the hardest right now and best bet for being scum.

I'm not scum, but I'm not sure how useful it is to divert energy into defending myself since me dying may be the best way for people to take a closer look at chaqa who is probably scum and already trying to line up more kills after my miskill. As town he usually doesn't care that much, but as scum he's much more faux invested (Plus the god thread seems like a party right now)

I think Bona/Chaqa makes a lot of sense as the scumpair.

[damo666]

@Bozo and @Pyxxy

I believe you are voting for a compatriot

That is what you said about ghug.

Why don't you think BunnyGo just bussed ghug at EOD? It seems like he preferred to DK you over ghug. Also, PE, pyxxy, and I made it clear we were OK DKing BunnyGo or ghug, and we settled on ghug because BunnyGo obviously would have voted for me if necessary to save himself, and Chaqa said he would also, but BunnyGo and Chaqa, if mafia, would not be able to vote for me to save ghug.

So you are saying had Bunny switched to you then a Bunny death was inevitable so he had to move to ghug, is that it? In which case Bunny is either roleblocker or town.

[bozotheclown]

VCA working backwards from D" making no assumptions other than known facts:

worcej rdr eden: dead town

ghug: dead scum

damo: live town

Day 2

Bona: prob not scumpair with Bozo (though could be bussing)
Bozo: switching to ghug at Bunny4:ghug3 would only make sense for scum Bozo if and only if Bunny is Roleblocker; however very probably town
Brain: nothing discernible
Bunny: Possible roleblocker but only if scumteam is precisely ghug, Bozo, Bunny; likely town
Chaqa: could have been caught in a bus (we know how he likes a bus) but only makes sense if Bunny is roleblocker but given the above comment on Bunny must assume he is town
Flum: probably not scumpair with Bunny
Jamie: probably not scumpair with Bozo
Pyx: could have bussed but again probably only if Bunny is roleblocker so given the Bunny comment must assume town (also he could have tied it)

ghug voting Bozo makes little sense unless the scumteam is precisely ghug, Bozo, Bunny

Day 1

ghug moving off Bozo when vote became worcej 6:Bozo 4 makes no sense as a bus so must conclude Bozo is town.

Bozo town implies Bunny is town which implies Chaqa and Pyxxy are town.

Town core {damo, Bozo, Bunny, Chaqa, Pyxxy}

Possible scum: Bona, brain, Flum, Jamie

I find it hard to order those 4 but gun to head I'll say Flum, Bona, Jamie, brain

##vote Flum but essentially happy with any of those 4

I don't see how you conclude that me being town implies BunnyGo is town. Why doesn't ghug voting for me make sense to you if I am town and BunnyGo is mafia?

A) because I have already concluded in Bunny D2 that Bunny can only be scum if you are

B) if you are town and Bunny is scum then Bunny moving to ghug from me at T-5 when the votes were Bunny 4 Bozo 3 ghug 2 damo 2 makes no sense. Either he stays on me and hopes or simply moves to you.

For A, that was my question, why did you conclude that BunnyGo can only be mafia if I am? For B, that ignores the fact the BunnyGo had been town reading me and scum reading ghug for 2 days, so his choices, as mafia, would have been to keep his vote on you and look bad if ghug was the DK, or bus BunnyGo. The point of PE, pyxxy, and me moving to ghug was to force BunnyGo to vote for ghug instead of voting for me, a plan that you refused to participate in because you were confident ghug was town.

[damo666]

Ok so I don’t think it’s brain-Bona.

Or Damo-Bunny

Or Jamie-Bona

That’s all for tonight but more to come

If Jamie Bona ruled out as a pair and brain is town (which I read him as) then Flum MUST be scum.

[bozotheclown]

@Bozo and @Pyxxy

I believe you are voting for a compatriot

That is what you said about ghug.

Why don't you think BunnyGo just bussed ghug at EOD? It seems like he preferred to DK you over ghug. Also, PE, pyxxy, and I made it clear we were OK DKing BunnyGo or ghug, and we settled on ghug because BunnyGo obviously would have voted for me if necessary to save himself, and Chaqa said he would also, but BunnyGo and Chaqa, if mafia, would not be able to vote for me to save ghug.

So you are saying had Bunny switched to you then a Bunny death was inevitable so he had to move to ghug, is that it? In which case Bunny is either roleblocker or town.

Yes, if BunnyGo is mafia and had been bussing ghug, he would have had to follow through with it. I don't think who the roleblocker is matters that much, BunnyGo could have been bussing ghug if the third mafia is the roleblocker.

[damo666]

@Bozo see my post immediately before yours as a response.

[damo666]

That is what you said about ghug.

Why don't you think BunnyGo just bussed ghug at EOD? It seems like he preferred to DK you over ghug. Also, PE, pyxxy, and I made it clear we were OK DKing BunnyGo or ghug, and we settled on ghug because BunnyGo obviously would have voted for me if necessary to save himself, and Chaqa said he would also, but BunnyGo and Chaqa, if mafia, would not be able to vote for me to save ghug.

So you are saying had Bunny switched to you then a Bunny death was inevitable so he had to move to ghug, is that it? In which case Bunny is either roleblocker or town.

Yes, if BunnyGo is mafia and had been bussing ghug, he would have had to follow through with it. I don't think who the roleblocker is matters that much, BunnyGo could have been bussing ghug if the third mafia is the roleblocker.

Yeah ok I see that.

[bozotheclown]

Ok so I don’t think it’s brain-Bona.

Or Damo-Bunny

Or Jamie-Bona

That’s all for tonight but more to come

If Jamie Bona ruled out as a pair and brain is town (which I read him as) then Flum MUST be scum.

Are you summarizing Chaqa's position or making this conclusion?

[damo666]

Ok so I don’t think it’s brain-Bona.

Or Damo-Bunny

Or Jamie-Bona

That’s all for tonight but more to come

If Jamie Bona ruled out as a pair and brain is town (which I read him as) then Flum MUST be scum.

Are you summarizing Chaqa's position or making this conclusion?

Mine but doesn't apply if Bunny is scum.

In fact to me Bunny scum townclears Flum.

[bozotheclown]

I meant in the first post you seemed to be saying you were OK with the worcej wagon, then 12 minutes later you did not like either me or worcej as wagons.

Ok in that first post was “willing to vote”. Subtly different than happy about.

What about worcej's D1 made you dislike his wagon?

I don't think you ever answered this. Can you tell me why you disliked worcej's D1 wagon so much?

[damo666]

If Jamie Bona ruled out as a pair and brain is town (which I read him as) then Flum MUST be scum.

Are you summarizing Chaqa's position or making this conclusion?

Mine but doesn't apply if Bunny is scum.

In fact to me Bunny scum townclears Flum.

Following this logic there must be exactly one scum in {Bunny, Flum}. We should vote from these two.

[damo666]

Ok let's kill Bunny.

If Bunny flips town then tomorrow YOU MUST KILL FLUM.

##VOTE BUNNY