M1025 Game Thread

[ghug]

Can you provide specifics on my end at least? I can't help you with why they suspect me, because it seems to be entirely rooted in them reading my tone and word choice in a way I don't intend, and nothing I say seems to get through. But I could maybe help you sort out anything that confuses you about my treatment of them. I think I've been pretty clear about Bunny and acknowledge that I've been less clear about ghug.

Yeah you're like 30% more interested in self-defense than you are in the hunt.

That question is way more than 30% more interested in self-defense.

It's the aggregate. There are posts doing both, just not in the frequencies I expect.

[ghug]

I think this was a good question, but I do not understand how you liked his response enough to make him one of your top town reads.

He was already one of my top townreads.

Then why didn't you find it suspicious that he wanted to DK you at EOD after saying he did not scum read you anymore?

I found it odd, so I asked. I bought his explanation and didn't think it was all that crazy to move around on me. Your post just above this one is intriguing, though. I'll be curious to see an answer.

[ghug]

radio bona reporting in from a deep dark tunnel, i think bozo might be doing a bit. only scum!bozo would think to do a bit.

This is very lame from the high school graduate.

[Bonatogether]

radio bona reporting in from a deep dark tunnel, i think bozo might be doing a bit. only scum!bozo would think to do a bit.

This is very lame from the high school graduate.

it's 1am

the standard is low

[ghug]

radio bona reporting in from a deep dark tunnel, i think bozo might be doing a bit. only scum!bozo would think to do a bit.

This is very lame from the high school graduate.

it's 1am

the standard is low

I'm stoned as shit and you don't see me complaining.

[President Eden]

The ghug/PE/BunnyGo interactions look odd to me, they could have been bussing each other D1.

Can you provide specifics on my end at least? I can't help you with why they suspect me, because it seems to be entirely rooted in them reading my tone and word choice in a way I don't intend, and nothing I say seems to get through. But I could maybe help you sort out anything that confuses you about my treatment of them. I think I've been pretty clear about Bunny and acknowledge that I've been less clear about ghug.

I don't know if I can provide a specific post, but the discussions about the Bonatogether/pyxxy thing and your changing read of pyxxy seemed to end in unexpected ways.

I'm kind of lost in terms of suspects, so I'm not surprised that my conclusions regarding people I suspect are below my standards. I think I have some reasonable townreads, but usually I'm able to reason from that to a reasonable pool of suspects, and I'm not putting it together yet.

The "good" news is that I probably have at least 40 more hours to work on it...

Yeah you're like 30% more interested in self-defense than you are in the hunt.

That question is way more than 30% more interested in self-defense.

It's the aggregate. There are posts doing both, just not in the frequencies I expect.

Ah. That's probably right then.

I'm aware that I'm going to be a major talking point tomorrow, as there's no way I'm being fearkilled or medic dodged, and people want to flip me. And I think your expectations are calibrated based upon a lot of past games where I "obvtowned" (read: hadn't been scum in 5 years so no one knew what it looked like + said the conventionally correct things) and thus didn't have to defend myself.

I realize this probably does nothing for you, but maybe it moves the needle a bit.

[Bonatogether]

This is very lame from the high school graduate.

it's 1am

the standard is low

I'm stoned as shit and you don't see me complaining.

my brain isn't fully developed

[bozotheclown]

yea.
i’m bummed, he’s done that shit several times as scum and not that i can remember as town

rip

I was fine with the worcej DK, especially under the circumstances, but I doubt this statement is accurate.

I guess we could quibble on how many times constitutes "several," but just off the top of my head, he did it in M68 and he not only did it but explained in the scumchat that he was doing it in M73. I think his performance in M80 just last game as town is emblematic of his usual activity level.

I guarantee I'm accurate about his general attitude toward playing scum in webDip Mafia, and I mostly consider it a bad break that he played this way as town this game. I'm bummed about the outcome because we would have been really far ahead if he were mafia and I thought he had a good shot at flipping it

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

[ghug]

it's 1am

the standard is low

I'm stoned as shit and you don't see me complaining.

my brain isn't fully developed

Sounds like a skill issue

[ghug]

I was fine with the worcej DK, especially under the circumstances, but I doubt this statement is accurate.

I guess we could quibble on how many times constitutes "several," but just off the top of my head, he did it in M68 and he not only did it but explained in the scumchat that he was doing it in M73. I think his performance in M80 just last game as town is emblematic of his usual activity level.

I guarantee I'm accurate about his general attitude toward playing scum in webDip Mafia, and I mostly consider it a bad break that he played this way as town this game. I'm bummed about the outcome because we would have been really far ahead if he were mafia and I thought he had a good shot at flipping it

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

This is the closest I've ever seen bozo to arguing for the sake of argument.

[President Eden]

I was fine with the worcej DK, especially under the circumstances, but I doubt this statement is accurate.

I guess we could quibble on how many times constitutes "several," but just off the top of my head, he did it in M68 and he not only did it but explained in the scumchat that he was doing it in M73. I think his performance in M80 just last game as town is emblematic of his usual activity level.

I guarantee I'm accurate about his general attitude toward playing scum in webDip Mafia, and I mostly consider it a bad break that he played this way as town this game. I'm bummed about the outcome because we would have been really far ahead if he were mafia and I thought he had a good shot at flipping it

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

I guess in retrospect, worc's posting in this game, had it come from scum, would have been more brazen about the strategy than in those games. And I obviously got it wrong here, so you may be right. It doesn't matter much now anyway, outside of evaluating whether you believe I believe what I'm saying I guess

[ghug]

I'm stoned as shit and you don't see me complaining.

my brain isn't fully developed

Sounds like a skill issue

Actually does anyone think it's weird that bona conceded his logic sucked?

[bozotheclown]

I still feel pretty good about brain, Bunny, Chaqa being town. Jamie’s EOD seems good if bozo is town and excellent if bozo is scum. I still feel bozo wasn’t especially scummy and that his wagon fit the profile of opportunistic miskill bait, but obviously the same could be said of worc, so I don’t know that it says much about the main proponents.

Don’t know what to make of ghug, he keeps sticking in my craw but I have to admit I don’t have great arguments for why. Flum’s EOD was opportunistic and uninvested, decent shot for scum there. And I’m starting to suspect pyx was just scum and I helped let him off without a good reason.

Bona, damo, rdr remain null to me for now

Why did Jamie’s EOD look good and Fluminator's EOD look bad? I may be biased because Jamie was trying to get me DKed and Fluminator was trying to prevent it.

[bozotheclown]

I guess we could quibble on how many times constitutes "several," but just off the top of my head, he did it in M68 and he not only did it but explained in the scumchat that he was doing it in M73. I think his performance in M80 just last game as town is emblematic of his usual activity level.

I guarantee I'm accurate about his general attitude toward playing scum in webDip Mafia, and I mostly consider it a bad break that he played this way as town this game. I'm bummed about the outcome because we would have been really far ahead if he were mafia and I thought he had a good shot at flipping it

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

This is the closest I've ever seen bozo to arguing for the sake of argument.

It is significant if PE was fabricating a reason to scum read worcej since he started the worcej wagon. If you believe PE is mafia as you claim, I would expect you to be interested also.

[bozotheclown]

I guess we could quibble on how many times constitutes "several," but just off the top of my head, he did it in M68 and he not only did it but explained in the scumchat that he was doing it in M73. I think his performance in M80 just last game as town is emblematic of his usual activity level.

I guarantee I'm accurate about his general attitude toward playing scum in webDip Mafia, and I mostly consider it a bad break that he played this way as town this game. I'm bummed about the outcome because we would have been really far ahead if he were mafia and I thought he had a good shot at flipping it

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

I guess in retrospect, worc's posting in this game, had it come from scum, would have been more brazen about the strategy than in those games. And I obviously got it wrong here, so you may be right. It doesn't matter much now anyway, outside of evaluating whether you believe I believe what I'm saying I guess

That is what I am trying to determine, if you had a reason to believe what you were saying.

What do you think about the possibility that BunnyGo was bussing ghug D1?

[ghug]

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

This is the closest I've ever seen bozo to arguing for the sake of argument.

It is significant if PE was fabricating a reason to scum read worcej since he started the worcej wagon. If you believe PE is mafia as you claim, I would expect you to be interested also.

I think that scumreading worcej made a lot of sense and that scum were likely to see him as an easy miskill option.

[President Eden]

I still feel pretty good about brain, Bunny, Chaqa being town. Jamie’s EOD seems good if bozo is town and excellent if bozo is scum. I still feel bozo wasn’t especially scummy and that his wagon fit the profile of opportunistic miskill bait, but obviously the same could be said of worc, so I don’t know that it says much about the main proponents.

Don’t know what to make of ghug, he keeps sticking in my craw but I have to admit I don’t have great arguments for why. Flum’s EOD was opportunistic and uninvested, decent shot for scum there. And I’m starting to suspect pyx was just scum and I helped let him off without a good reason.

Bona, damo, rdr remain null to me for now

Why did Jamie’s EOD look good and Fluminator's EOD look bad? I may be biased because Jamie was trying to get me DKed and Fluminator was trying to prevent it.

Outcome investment basically.

Jamie didn't like the wagons and kept looking for viable alternatives (Fluminator, BunnyGo) before landing on you. I thought it was suspicious at the time, actually, but that's because I thought worcej was mafia, in which case I figured Jamie was trying to derail a successful wagon on a teammate. But with worcej being town, I don't think Jamie behaves as he does there as scum. Assuming you're town, I think if he's faced with TvT wagons, he just finds a reason to be on one of those wagons and help consolidate the day there to prevent a teammate from being randomly speedwagoned instead of shopping around. And if you're mafia, then he's either town, or he did a great job bussing you while not accidentally tipping the scales in a very tricky spot.

On further reflection I think I had it backwards in that quote. IMO he really can only be mafia if you're also mafia and if he executed a great bus. Otherwise I just don't see the motive for him to be moving around a bunch.

Meanwhile, Flum basically spent his EOD asking other people to tell him who to vote, and flipped around in an incongruent and incoherent manner (at one point he literally flipped directly from me to my top suspect). In fact his whole filter is basically somebody playing 20 Questions instead of Mafia. I can understand just being behind and not having a solid read on things, but his play is indistinguishable (for me anyway) from scum who just wanted to show up and look the part of a concerned townie and get out of D1. This also fits with my belief that you're town and that D1 was TvT.

I looked at the beginning of those games and did not see much similarity.

I guess in retrospect, worc's posting in this game, had it come from scum, would have been more brazen about the strategy than in those games. And I obviously got it wrong here, so you may be right. It doesn't matter much now anyway, outside of evaluating whether you believe I believe what I'm saying I guess

That is what I am trying to determine, if you had a reason to believe what you were saying.

What do you think about the possibility that BunnyGo was bussing ghug D1?

I think BunnyGo is town so I haven't really given the possibility much thought. And I'm totally running out of steam rn and will not be able to go pull specific posts lol. I think somewhere in D1 I called out a couple specific posts but I can't remember too well atm.

[Fluminator]

I can defend myself tomorrow if I'm alive if I have to, but if I die, I'd suggest looking at people who keep saying how sure they were worcej was scum. It was essentially a lurker day 1 crapshoot kill and I'm struggling to think so much passion was behind that kill lol.

[pyxxy]

hi

sorry for disappearing and missing EOD

gotta sleep soon but wanted to at least post something before EON

[damo666]

I can defend myself tomorrow if I'm alive if I have to, but if I die, I'd suggest looking at people who keep saying how sure they were worcej was scum. It was essentially a lurker day 1 crapshoot kill and I'm struggling to think so much passion was behind that kill lol.

"if I'm alive" is scummy.