M80 Game Thread

[sweetandcool]

Your argument makes no sense. If Ghug is Enforcer there is zero chance the Bomber will use his power as iy will be game over for scum as Ghug will be flipped at some point. Last time we did this we just gave Eden another day to screw with town.

The best argument to not vote Ghug out today is having a regular day and get info through votes and reads.

But let's give it a try. ##vote Bunny

Did you read my argument as to why ghug is innocent? I know you don't post much, but I think it would be helpful to hear your reaction. Please respond (:

I read and just don't agree with it (that X visiting Haze clears Ghug) and this was already discussed and I won't keep discussing the same thing.

Also, I have posted a decent amount today and being open about my view on the game stste so this comment about me is just bullshit.

:O

Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I wasn't trying to insult you and your post frequency. I was just worried that you'd disappear and I'd never find out what your thoughts were on the argument for ghug.

Thank you for responding, I really appreciate it.

[rdrivera2005]

furthermore.

if ghug is town, why doesnt xcution die saying

By the way Haze visited ghug (or fake who was really visited) N2 team!
GL GL

then xcution can really out Haze for his team. why the silence about it if he knows hes gonna die and knows haze will have to claim at some point. just out the result there and then.

see this makes me think sweet is scum even more actually. lol

not sure if it makes ghug as likely as scum there but the fake claim still reads as scummy and meant to confuse haze specifically

Haze was not in favour with town. X probably hoped Haze would still be a viable misskill.

Careful brainbomb, your theory on me is fine and casts me into some question, but you are starting to hardcore tunnel.

You are not making any sense on your Ghug defense (that I think is an interesting exercise). X KNOWS Haze was a PR, how he would hope he is a viable miskill?

[brainbomb]

rivera has a really good point. the argument was that ghug would have to be dumb to make this play, but xcution a ten year veteran would have to be insanely naive to think haze is going to get miskilled as a PR.

[Kakarroto]

@Haze, @Xcution

Okay, throughout the game you've both said things that seem "off". For X in particular, I've ascribed that as them being Mafia and just pretending to more or less have poor reading comprehension.

But I am asking sincerely, are you both reading all of the content? I don't know if regulars read all of the content, but if they don't they manage to make comments that don't sound like they have no idea what's going on.

If you are struggling to keep up on accusations made against you, consider ctrl-f your name, that will function as an @ that we all wish we had for the forum.

Peterbot helps too, but I think you've both implied you started using it.

Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug; that's literally the only reference I'd have? All I've said is ghug and Haze have not played the same as they did when we were in Champs.

so this was x's first post after the flip. I guess that could've been a code.

@Haze, @Xcution

Okay, throughout the game you've both said things that seem "off". For X in particular, I've ascribed that as them being Mafia and just pretending to more or less have poor reading comprehension.

But I am asking sincerely, are you both reading all of the content? I don't know if regulars read all of the content, but if they don't they manage to make comments that don't sound like they have no idea what's going on.

If you are struggling to keep up on accusations made against you, consider ctrl-f your name, that will function as an @ that we all wish we had for the forum.

Peterbot helps too, but I think you've both implied you started using it.

Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug; that's literally the only reference I'd have? All I've said is ghug and Haze have not played the same as they did when we were in Champs.

This response does not jive with what I said. Try reading it again.

and sweet reacts to it like he was misunderstood. If that was a read, I'm pretty sure sweet didn't know about it.

So I think this here is proof that sweet is definite town

[rdrivera2005]

if ghug can only be the enforcer, and we don't know for sure he is, we don't NEED to get him today. As stated I doubt ghug is mafia here, I mean sure, the possibility is here, but from what I've seen I still see ghug as vanilla town that tried to be useful to a PR

but yeah, as said, we should probably not forget this possibility, but try to get the other mafia, the one with a bomb! From the cases made against me, jamie presented mostly the negatives and bunny had, as far as I've seen, tried to twist a thing that he didn't quote; these two things made me suspicious. I could see tunneling townJamie just refering what is in his eyes evidence for me being mafia, but the possibility that bunny intentionally NOT quoted the part where there is a big difference in what I posted and how he presented it is quite there.

@RD if you think bunny is mafia, you should change it because even if ghug is mafia, he is only enforcer and we can't do much in the next phases. If he is town, you'd also vote for a read of yours that you are confident instead of someone that just had bad luck.

@damo I think you should vote, instead of ghug, also for your highest maf-read, because the bomber is more important than the enforcer now, right? Or do I have something overlooked that makes me wrong in my logic?

Your argument makes no sense. If Ghug is Enforcer there is zero chance the Bomber will use his power as iy will be game over for scum as Ghug will be flipped at some point. Last time we did this we just gave Eden another day to screw with town.

The best argument to not vote Ghug out today is having a regular day and get info through votes and reads.

But let's give it a try. ##vote Bunny

well ghug can only be enforcer, if he is mafia, as damo said, right? but also ghug isn't 100% mafia here with how it happened, so in case we vote ghug today and he flips town, the bomber can use his ability if they are in a bad spot. On the other hand, if the bomber is in a bad spot and we still voting him over townghug, we have dealt with the bomber. Sure, that requires that we get the bomber today, but we were already on a great course the last days, so chances are we get him. Even in the case ghug is town and we only get the enforcer, the bomber can't use his ability or lose the game then, so with that I think it is just more logical to vote for our best guess for mafia instead on focusing ghug, right? I mean who here has read ghug as a prime mafia candidate before the incident? And I think even with the incident, ghug looks more town than mafia, but I may be in the minority here.

Anyway, that's how I see it, maybe I'm wrong on a logical sense somewhere, so damo proofread my idea, if it makes sense, but if ghug can only be enforcer, if he even is mafia, then I think we should not vote ghug today but continue hunting for (the other?) mafia

Can you explain me in your own words why Ghug can't be Bomber?

[rdrivera2005]

Did you read my argument as to why ghug is innocent? I know you don't post much, but I think it would be helpful to hear your reaction. Please respond (:

I read and just don't agree with it (that X visiting Haze clears Ghug) and this was already discussed and I won't keep discussing the same thing.

Also, I have posted a decent amount today and being open about my view on the game stste so this comment about me is just bullshit.

:O

Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I wasn't trying to insult you and your post frequency. I was just worried that you'd disappear and I'd never find out what your thoughts were on the argument for ghug.

Thank you for responding, I really appreciate it.

You didn't hurt my feelings, it's an online game.

I just am a bit triggered when people just assume you need to post 100 times a day or a 2000 words essay to play this game.

[brainbomb]

PROOF?


holy shit kak. what even? PROOF? maybe we can like wait until Haze claims if he even used an action N2 before assuming the code is haze visited ghug two nights in a row.

We have proof of nothing.

[sweetandcool]

furthermore.

if ghug is town, why doesnt xcution die saying

By the way Haze visited ghug (or fake who was really visited) N2 team!
GL GL

then xcution can really out Haze for his team. why the silence about it if he knows hes gonna die and knows haze will have to claim at some point. just out the result there and then.

see this makes me think sweet is scum even more actually. lol

not sure if it makes ghug as likely as scum there but the fake claim still reads as scummy and meant to confuse haze specifically

Haze was not in favour with town. X probably hoped Haze would still be a viable misskill.

Careful brainbomb, your theory on me is fine and casts me into some question, but you are starting to hardcore tunnel.

You are not making any sense on your Ghug defense (that I think is an interesting exercise). X KNOWS Haze was a PR, how he would hope he is a viable miskill?

Okay, true. I still think my argument for ghug is 100% correct, but for some reason you and brainbomb think that X not plainly blurting out what Haze is invalidates everything.

I can continue to speculate on X's actions and maybe I'll be right maybe I won't.

How often does caught scum blurt out info they learned to their teammates? I speculate that no matter how unlikely, X nevers admits guilt. And X could have already communicated with code.

[Kakarroto]

@Haze, @Xcution

Okay, throughout the game you've both said things that seem "off". For X in particular, I've ascribed that as them being Mafia and just pretending to more or less have poor reading comprehension.

But I am asking sincerely, are you both reading all of the content? I don't know if regulars read all of the content, but if they don't they manage to make comments that don't sound like they have no idea what's going on.

If you are struggling to keep up on accusations made against you, consider ctrl-f your name, that will function as an @ that we all wish we had for the forum.

Peterbot helps too, but I think you've both implied you started using it.

Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug; that's literally the only reference I'd have? All I've said is ghug and Haze have not played the same as they did when we were in Champs.

so this was x's first post after the flip. I guess that could've been a code.

Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug; that's literally the only reference I'd have? All I've said is ghug and Haze have not played the same as they did when we were in Champs.

This response does not jive with what I said. Try reading it again.

and sweet reacts to it like he was misunderstood. If that was a read, I'm pretty sure sweet didn't know about it.

So I think this here is proof that sweet is definite town

ugh, I meant instead of read to write the word code, if sweet is mafia and that was a code, sweet would've known and not reacted that way. sorry was a long day

[sweetandcool]

@Haze, @Xcution

Okay, throughout the game you've both said things that seem "off". For X in particular, I've ascribed that as them being Mafia and just pretending to more or less have poor reading comprehension.

But I am asking sincerely, are you both reading all of the content? I don't know if regulars read all of the content, but if they don't they manage to make comments that don't sound like they have no idea what's going on.

If you are struggling to keep up on accusations made against you, consider ctrl-f your name, that will function as an @ that we all wish we had for the forum.

Peterbot helps too, but I think you've both implied you started using it.

Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug; that's literally the only reference I'd have? All I've said is ghug and Haze have not played the same as they did when we were in Champs.

so this was x's first post after the flip. I guess that could've been a code.

Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug; that's literally the only reference I'd have? All I've said is ghug and Haze have not played the same as they did when we were in Champs.

This response does not jive with what I said. Try reading it again.

and sweet reacts to it like he was misunderstood. If that was a read, I'm pretty sure sweet didn't know about it.

So I think this here is proof that sweet is definite town

Well, I'm pretty sure he was responding to a Dousing post. His response did not mesh with what I was saying at all.

[brainbomb]

to that point when we used a code we usually never made it our first post anyway.

OBGYN and I did this once, I also did this once when meme was informant in M17. We would bury the code on the third post or fifth post, 8th word. it was never easy to know what the code was.

[brainbomb]

Okay, im gonna go back to ##vote sweet

[rdrivera2005]

Did you read my argument as to why ghug is innocent? I know you don't post much, but I think it would be helpful to hear your reaction. Please respond (:

I read and just don't agree with it (that X visiting Haze clears Ghug) and this was already discussed and I won't keep discussing the same thing.

Also, I have posted a decent amount today and being open about my view on the game stste so this comment about me is just bullshit.

Have you? Who's my partner? Who's my partner if that's wrong? Who's Bunny's partner if I'm town? Who's never flipping scum?

You're definitely not being forthcoming with reads.

Do you have a partner? If yes, my bet is still Bunny that is just ignoring it or Kak that isn't making any sense defending you (Sweet I am pretty sure is playing devil's advocate).

If you are town I would be more aware about a blind spot like Jamiet or Dousing or even Sweet.

Other then the clears and me, my most solid townread is Brain. I will be really surprised if Sweet flips scum.

Anything else?

[Kakarroto]

Your argument makes no sense. If Ghug is Enforcer there is zero chance the Bomber will use his power as iy will be game over for scum as Ghug will be flipped at some point. Last time we did this we just gave Eden another day to screw with town.

The best argument to not vote Ghug out today is having a regular day and get info through votes and reads.

But let's give it a try. ##vote Bunny

well ghug can only be enforcer, if he is mafia, as damo said, right? but also ghug isn't 100% mafia here with how it happened, so in case we vote ghug today and he flips town, the bomber can use his ability if they are in a bad spot. On the other hand, if the bomber is in a bad spot and we still voting him over townghug, we have dealt with the bomber. Sure, that requires that we get the bomber today, but we were already on a great course the last days, so chances are we get him. Even in the case ghug is town and we only get the enforcer, the bomber can't use his ability or lose the game then, so with that I think it is just more logical to vote for our best guess for mafia instead on focusing ghug, right? I mean who here has read ghug as a prime mafia candidate before the incident? And I think even with the incident, ghug looks more town than mafia, but I may be in the minority here.

Anyway, that's how I see it, maybe I'm wrong on a logical sense somewhere, so damo proofread my idea, if it makes sense, but if ghug can only be enforcer, if he even is mafia, then I think we should not vote ghug today but continue hunting for (the other?) mafia

Can you explain me in your own words why Ghug can't be Bomber?

well damo said so in his post

I think ghug just has to go. It may just be an unfortunate coincidence that Haze RBd ghug N1 and Mafia didn't jail worcej but ....

As far as I know it was only ghug who sussed Haze as Capt N2 and X visits Haze N2. Another coincidence?

Too much.

Ghug cannot be Agent as e would have probably taken Haze out so he must be Enforcer. But then why did the Agent not bomb Haze? Because ghug would be sole surviving scum with a link to the dead Captain so they couldn't afford to do it.

##vote ghug

and that makes sense, right? so that brought me to the idea, that it would be better to hunt for the bomb instead of voting ghug who still could be misunderstood town. To be fair I haven't thought of it in detail why ghug isn't agent because I trust damo since he is town and went from there, but taht was my thought process.

[sweetandcool]

Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug; that's literally the only reference I'd have? All I've said is ghug and Haze have not played the same as they did when we were in Champs.

so this was x's first post after the flip. I guess that could've been a code.

This response does not jive with what I said. Try reading it again.

and sweet reacts to it like he was misunderstood. If that was a read, I'm pretty sure sweet didn't know about it.

So I think this here is proof that sweet is definite town

Well, I'm pretty sure he was responding to a Dousing post. His response did not mesh with what I was saying at all.

Actually, he was not responding to Dousing, even though his response meshes with a previous Dousing post. There is a good chance this was his communication post to team Mafia. "Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug". Mafia clearly suspected Haze of being a PR, and presumably they probably thought one PR was more likely than the other. This quote would communicate to team Mafia that Haze is a PR. It technically probably doesn't communicate the specific role, but maybe Mafia already assumed Captain if Haze was a role.

[Kakarroto]

PROOF?


holy shit kak. what even? PROOF? maybe we can like wait until Haze claims if he even used an action N2 before assuming the code is haze visited ghug two nights in a row.

We have proof of nothing.

so you think that reaction of sweet is not genuine and was prepared from the maf chat if there was, indeed, a code, like you proposed?

And if there was no code, then how can you say that the mafteam KNEW haze is PR?

[sweetandcool]

well ghug can only be enforcer, if he is mafia, as damo said, right? but also ghug isn't 100% mafia here with how it happened, so in case we vote ghug today and he flips town, the bomber can use his ability if they are in a bad spot. On the other hand, if the bomber is in a bad spot and we still voting him over townghug, we have dealt with the bomber. Sure, that requires that we get the bomber today, but we were already on a great course the last days, so chances are we get him. Even in the case ghug is town and we only get the enforcer, the bomber can't use his ability or lose the game then, so with that I think it is just more logical to vote for our best guess for mafia instead on focusing ghug, right? I mean who here has read ghug as a prime mafia candidate before the incident? And I think even with the incident, ghug looks more town than mafia, but I may be in the minority here.

Anyway, that's how I see it, maybe I'm wrong on a logical sense somewhere, so damo proofread my idea, if it makes sense, but if ghug can only be enforcer, if he even is mafia, then I think we should not vote ghug today but continue hunting for (the other?) mafia

Can you explain me in your own words why Ghug can't be Bomber?

well damo said so in his post

I think ghug just has to go. It may just be an unfortunate coincidence that Haze RBd ghug N1 and Mafia didn't jail worcej but ....

As far as I know it was only ghug who sussed Haze as Capt N2 and X visits Haze N2. Another coincidence?

Too much.

Ghug cannot be Agent as e would have probably taken Haze out so he must be Enforcer. But then why did the Agent not bomb Haze? Because ghug would be sole surviving scum with a link to the dead Captain so they couldn't afford to do it.

##vote ghug

and that makes sense, right? so that brought me to the idea, that it would be better to hunt for the bomb instead of voting ghug who still could be misunderstood town. To be fair I haven't thought of it in detail why ghug isn't agent because I trust damo since he is town and went from there, but taht was my thought process.

I didn't think damo's logic here made so much sense. I would have said to consider ghug being the enforcer, but at this point it seems clear ghug is not Mafia.

[sweetandcool]

Alright, I'm getting too bogged down in the thread because I'm excited about the ghug revelation.

If Haze or anybody else pops on that hasn't seen my argument for ghug, please direct them to it (or I probably will anyways).

I need to focus on being productive, which means hunting down the last two Mafia, instead of being distracted by the thread.

[Kakarroto]

[...]
Do you have a partner? If yes, my bet is still Bunny that is just ignoring it or Kak that isn't making any sense defending you (Sweet I am pretty sure is playing devil's advocate).

If you are town I would be more aware about a blind spot like Jamiet or Dousing or even Sweet.

Other then the clears and me, my most solid townread is Brain. I will be really surprised if Sweet flips scum.

I agree that brain and sweet are most likely town.

I don't know however why you had sweet on both blind spot and town; anyway, I think mafia is in bunny, dousing or jamie, off chance in you. I know I'm not, but I'm sure everyone says that about themselves so yeah.

Looks like however we have closely related reads (well, apart from I lean much more townGhug than mafGhug), so I think we can find a common ground. I suggest we let worcej and damo give their input in here too, maybe we can salvage eden's try of getting a functioning poe.

[ghug]

so this was x's first post after the flip. I guess that could've been a code.



and sweet reacts to it like he was misunderstood. If that was a read, I'm pretty sure sweet didn't know about it.

So I think this here is proof that sweet is definite town

Well, I'm pretty sure he was responding to a Dousing post. His response did not mesh with what I was saying at all.

Actually, he was not responding to Dousing, even though his response meshes with a previous Dousing post. There is a good chance this was his communication post to team Mafia. "Where have I said things are off other than with Haze and ghug". Mafia clearly suspected Haze of being a PR, and presumably they probably thought one PR was more likely than the other. This quote would communicate to team Mafia that Haze is a PR. It technically probably doesn't communicate the specific role, but maybe Mafia already assumed Captain if Haze was a role.

Given that I don't think there was any specific reason to believe this at the time, statements like "but maybe Mafia already assumed Captain if Haze was a role" really reaffirm my sweet townread.