M80 Game Thread

[Kakarroto]

EVERYTHING he's doing is sketchy! It's like that first Bona game where he was too scummy to be scum (but was scum). Except kaka has played before.

Except bona was town in his first game and was miskilled over my loud protests that he was too scummy to be scum.

Can you give a high level summary of kak's scumminess?

Maybe his second game then?

Give me a bit to put together a ballad for kak (but entering bedtime here...so may have to disappear).

In short, his reads are locked in for reasons that seem fabricated (granted one of those was X on D2). Then he just seems to be doing stuff that only makes sense if I ascribe scum motivation/knowledge.

well, bunny, I still wait for your summary of your reread that you promised about 3(?) phases ago, so ghug, I wouldn't expect he would finish this before we are on night five or so

[brainbomb]

Im getting more of vibe from xcution of an angsty “I gotta show off my hunting and intellectual skills because im a hawk”

as opposed too im gonna come hard at my scum partners to distance. so let me bash on sweetandcool and make it look like we arent a team

Scum chat will be happy to know that I've successfully distanced from Sweet without making us look like partners.

hmm ... I just saw the post of brain, but thought it isn't worth mentioning that it kinda struck a nerve with the power of hindsight that brain might have too much information because brain came over way to towny for me how he read me.

reading again with x's answer, it kinda makes me feel like x isn't a partner of sweet, but maybe, maybe, he could be with brain here. Well I think I file it under 'highly speculative', but in case my weird feeling is correct here, I wanted to save this for later when I can say 'I knew it' or something like that

although, that also made me think, how would mafia want to be perceived at the current state: aggressive pushing someone? blending in? teareyed friendly? reasonable calm? hmm ...

What did I say in response to this?
and then what does Jamie say after that.
and then what does Xcution say after that.

Just curious how far you took this dialogue string

[brainbomb]

My answer was one of confusion as this is a new player ive dealt with before and im stuck with pondering if this new player open wolfs- if I wanna go down this road and be that guy because it is something that used to trigger me but mostly open wolfing is usually townies saying dumb stuff. So I didnt push it at all

[brainbomb]

a new player ive NOT dealt with before

[Kakarroto]

Scum chat will be happy to know that I've successfully distanced from Sweet without making us look like partners.

hmm ... I just saw the post of brain, but thought it isn't worth mentioning that it kinda struck a nerve with the power of hindsight that brain might have too much information because brain came over way to towny for me how he read me.

reading again with x's answer, it kinda makes me feel like x isn't a partner of sweet, but maybe, maybe, he could be with brain here. Well I think I file it under 'highly speculative', but in case my weird feeling is correct here, I wanted to save this for later when I can say 'I knew it' or something like that

although, that also made me think, how would mafia want to be perceived at the current state: aggressive pushing someone? blending in? teareyed friendly? reasonable calm? hmm ...

What did I say in response to this?
and then what does Jamie say after that.
and then what does Xcution say after that.

Just curious how far you took this dialogue string

just until there, haven't read further right now and since bunny posted I reacted to that and stuff first, so will go back reading on.

[brainbomb]

furthermore if you seriously think I could keep my cool with how bad the scumteams fortunes have been this game I will take it as a compliment you think I could control my mania and frantic posture id have if I was mafia right now. id be working overtime to clog the game with bullshit theories and spam

[brainbomb]

President Eden's mischaracterisation of Brainbomb "shitting on" other people is quite odd.

He seems off this game.

I'm going to call this post wolfy because you already tried to explain how you saying 'someone is off' was meant as a joke, but now I feel like you're purposely trying to make sure everyone thinks you were joking. I'm not sure what your motivation with these type of posts are.

Can you explain this progression? Because I still don't know what Jamie is saying this game and I'm not really buying what he's saying as logical thought processes.

Ask me questions if you have them, I am right here.

What illogical things have I said?

I'm going to call this post wolfy because you already tried to explain how you saying 'someone is off' was meant as a joke, but now I feel like you're purposely trying to make sure everyone thinks you were joking. I'm not sure what your motivation with these type of posts are.

You seem off this game.

Ask me questions if you have them, I am right here.

What illogical things have I said?

My dude, I've been dropping your name all game and you're finally responding to me; I was waiting to see how long it would take until you felt comfortable enough stepping into the ring with me.

I mean, I've literally called out specific posts and even quoted a post of yours and called it wolfy. Why are you only choosing to respond to me of me questioning another player?

I just feel like you haven't been genuine with your posts. I feel you're trying to toe the line between jokes and seriousness in a weird way and you're purposely making it hard to get a grasp on your thoughts and reads. I'm not even sure who you're trying to push right now and why.

I asked you if you have any questions for me.

You ignore me when I directly address you, yet you continue to throw shade on me.

Dislike.

Okay, I'm not sure if this is just a site thing, but why are people demanding questions yet don't feel like ever giving reasons for what they say? Jamie, I've literally been commenting on your slot this entire game, and you finally chose to engage me halfway through D1. I think it's incredibly disingenuous to come out and say that I've been ignoring you when I've literally been transparent with my thoughts on your slot. I'd have to iso you and look through specific points in order to pull out my exact issues, but like I don't think you're trying to play in a way that is flirting with the line between serious and joking so that you can conveniently jump back and forth and when someone calls you out, you can say 'jkjkjkjk'. I'm having a hard time trying to follow your thought progression and see your thinking in a linear way. Perhaps I'm doing a disservice by not having specific posts of yours to show and comment on (though I have quoted you numerous times saying I don't like certain posts), but I also don't have QUESTIONS, I have ISSUES. So I'm not trying to interview you here right now, I'm trying to get a response from you and trying to understand and see where you are coming from. However, all you can say is 'wHeRe ArE tHe QuEsTiOnS'.

@Everyone:

Does Ghug's lack of investment, his laissez-faire attitude, bother you, at all?

Yeah I'm a little worried about my pals ghug and Haze. I'm not big on meta, but in Champs ghug was a man of few words, but I felt a hard hitting and analytical logic to his posts. Haze was a bit everywhere with their posts and was a leading poster, but someone that had a big presence. Both these things are missing from this game. It's only my second game with them so I do take this with a grain of salt, but it's something to start on. I guess considering ghug was the rep for Champs here, I was expecting a bit more on his home site. Haze I feel has kind of been in the background. But that could just be because they're on a new site (though this is a new site for me and I am trying to make some waves). So I'm definitely hoping for a bit more from their slots, but I'm not ready to condemn them quite yet, but I am watchful.

Other notable lines:

Jamie probably just a wolf. Throwing the third vote on someone definitely has intentions of moving thay wagon forward.

After this there is some interaction with Eden and Jamie that doesn't feel too pingy either way. I obviously don't know what Fox is capable of as wolf, but the conversations with these two slots feel pretty casual and easy. Is Fox able to do that with mates out in the open? I'm not sure. I'm probably leaning towards no

Imagine Dousing being wolf with Sweet and Jamie. Me using 2% of to bait out the wolf team and DESTROYING them.

It seems like xcution and Jamie are not scum together based on the volume of attempts xcution goes to for pushing Jamie and trying to convice others that its Jamie. If this is a bus this is a very long and very belabored bus which wouldnt make sense if Jamie was also bussing fox. its alot more bussing than I can explain.

So for now this moves Jamie to town for me

@Kak read this.

[brainbomb]

Is this a scumclaim?

Is this a serious question?

Jamie why did you ignore this?
there was no reply to this question and no follow up by xcution either.

The next interaction between you both is this:

You appear to be very fixated on people's perceptions of you.

I think this leads credence to Sweet playing a nervous game. I don't like that they tried to say they play nervous as either alignment and that would Sweet would act a certain way, when this is only their second game? I just don't understand how you can harp on your 'newness' but then try to make claims such as these.

@kak also this

[sweetandcool]

<snip>
What is your case against Kak? I'd like a detailed case to be put together.

As I said to ghug, coming later. A cute 7 year old just climbed into bed with me and is demanding stories.

Heh, same here except 3 year old and wanting to sing Clementine.

[brainbomb]

I feel sorry for ghug in that he is caught mechnically rather than the fair way which is brainbombs indestructably constructed reads list

[Kakarroto]

I'm going to call this post wolfy because you already tried to explain how you saying 'someone is off' was meant as a joke, but now I feel like you're purposely trying to make sure everyone thinks you were joking. I'm not sure what your motivation with these type of posts are.

Ask me questions if you have them, I am right here.

What illogical things have I said?

You seem off this game.

My dude, I've been dropping your name all game and you're finally responding to me; I was waiting to see how long it would take until you felt comfortable enough stepping into the ring with me.

I mean, I've literally called out specific posts and even quoted a post of yours and called it wolfy. Why are you only choosing to respond to me of me questioning another player?

I just feel like you haven't been genuine with your posts. I feel you're trying to toe the line between jokes and seriousness in a weird way and you're purposely making it hard to get a grasp on your thoughts and reads. I'm not even sure who you're trying to push right now and why.

Okay, I'm not sure if this is just a site thing, but why are people demanding questions yet don't feel like ever giving reasons for what they say? Jamie, I've literally been commenting on your slot this entire game, and you finally chose to engage me halfway through D1. I think it's incredibly disingenuous to come out and say that I've been ignoring you when I've literally been transparent with my thoughts on your slot. I'd have to iso you and look through specific points in order to pull out my exact issues, but like I don't think you're trying to play in a way that is flirting with the line between serious and joking so that you can conveniently jump back and forth and when someone calls you out, you can say 'jkjkjkjk'. I'm having a hard time trying to follow your thought progression and see your thinking in a linear way. Perhaps I'm doing a disservice by not having specific posts of yours to show and comment on (though I have quoted you numerous times saying I don't like certain posts), but I also don't have QUESTIONS, I have ISSUES. So I'm not trying to interview you here right now, I'm trying to get a response from you and trying to understand and see where you are coming from. However, all you can say is 'wHeRe ArE tHe QuEsTiOnS'.

Yeah I'm a little worried about my pals ghug and Haze. I'm not big on meta, but in Champs ghug was a man of few words, but I felt a hard hitting and analytical logic to his posts. Haze was a bit everywhere with their posts and was a leading poster, but someone that had a big presence. Both these things are missing from this game. It's only my second game with them so I do take this with a grain of salt, but it's something to start on. I guess considering ghug was the rep for Champs here, I was expecting a bit more on his home site. Haze I feel has kind of been in the background. But that could just be because they're on a new site (though this is a new site for me and I am trying to make some waves). So I'm definitely hoping for a bit more from their slots, but I'm not ready to condemn them quite yet, but I am watchful.

Other notable lines:

Jamie probably just a wolf. Throwing the third vote on someone definitely has intentions of moving thay wagon forward.

After this there is some interaction with Eden and Jamie that doesn't feel too pingy either way. I obviously don't know what Fox is capable of as wolf, but the conversations with these two slots feel pretty casual and easy. Is Fox able to do that with mates out in the open? I'm not sure. I'm probably leaning towards no

Imagine Dousing being wolf with Sweet and Jamie. Me using 2% of to bait out the wolf team and DESTROYING them.

It seems like xcution and Jamie are not scum together based on the volume of attempts xcution goes to for pushing Jamie and trying to convice others that its Jamie. If this is a bus this is a very long and very belabored bus which wouldnt make sense if Jamie was also bussing fox. its alot more bussing than I can explain.

So for now this moves Jamie to town for me

@Kak read this.

I can see where you're coming from, it looks like you are right. I do think though, having the game where I subbed in mind when there also was so much bussing going on, that it might be not wise to fully clear someone from that. But yeah, what does that have to do with the post I quoted, exactly?

[brainbomb]

Kak,
I think you skipped my reaction to xcution saying he was using maf chat to distance s&c.

and then I said something like uhhhhh what??

and Jamie asked if it was a scumslip.

that moment.

[Kakarroto]

Is this a serious question?

Jamie why did you ignore this?
there was no reply to this question and no follow up by xcution either.

The next interaction between you both is this:

I think this leads credence to Sweet playing a nervous game. I don't like that they tried to say they play nervous as either alignment and that would Sweet would act a certain way, when this is only their second game? I just don't understand how you can harp on your 'newness' but then try to make claims such as these.

@kak also this

well, the first thought that sprung to my mind is 'that was all only D1, right? chances are, jamie told x to stop with that first thing in the nightchat'

and if you want my thoughts on sweet here, I really townread him, I think I only would consider voting for him in the final three or maybe in the last five, but I think to fake that level of townyness he must have the game of his life if he's mafia, so it all just reads like x wanted to drag sweet down with him in case he flipped.

but yeah, I give you, there must've been a gigantic amount of verbal bussing if x and jamie are mafia together. I do think though that this isn't unimaginable.

[Kakarroto]

Kak,
I think you skipped my reaction to xcution saying he was using maf chat to distance s&c.

and then I said something like uhhhhh what??

and Jamie asked if it was a scumslip.

that moment.

well in the short time where I read a bit farther (I'm only on page 15 now) I saw your 'uhh what' and x's 'uhh what' where he quoted you, but haven't yet seen jamie's.

When I say I reread, I mean from the thread itself, I don't use the bot, since a few games now, as previously said. I'm pretty sure that makes my game better compared to before when I used the bot. I feel I get the overall situation better with the added information from flips and such.

Anyway, I'll continue to reread now, at least for a bit until I'm too tired to do so.

[Kakarroto]

but yeah, your 'uhhh what' post felt pretty genuine.

[ghug]

I feel sorry for ghug in that he is caught mechnically rather than the fair way which is brainbombs indestructably constructed reads list

Just wait until I flip town...

[Kakarroto]

oh

alright
yea

im the pirate crew and stuff

Ooooo, what a risky claim to make.

He's the entire crew boys - we must all be scum then?

or he may be a scum stealing the crew's job away

in retrospect, it's surprising that worcej was questioned so much about his comment here later but not haze

but hindsight is 2020

... well maybe it was just understood as a joke by everyone. But mafia doesn't seem to have invested too much into rereading for PR hunting.

[brainbomb]

I feel sorry for ghug in that he is caught mechnically rather than the fair way which is brainbombs indestructably constructed reads list

Just wait until I flip town...

Honestly I probably need to see that to destroy my own ego anyway

[ghug]

At least the other time I was painted as guilty by mechanics it was conscious mischief by Ezio.

[brainbomb]

I know if you survive the day you would
not hesistate to suicide bomb damo so its far too much of a liability to take anything youre saying seriously