M80 Game Thread

[Haze with a Z]

read through pg 191. Id rather dousing be voted out than x, but I think I'd rather rdrive or damo the most tbh.

##vote rdrive
I cannot remember all that much from drive andI can from almost/basically everyone else

Why damo? If you look at their posts on peterbot, they suitably impress me.

i just can never remember even a read on them so they keep falling back to poe tbh. also csant remeber what theyve said, ill look at the iso tmr but im too tured tinught

[Dousing]

Okay, I suppose I can see where you are coming from here, but also, wouldn't my response to your case against me be more in line with the example you are trying to make? I mean, I did my Fox iso and came to my conclusions (which you didn't even respond to) and then I made my response to you. Do those to posts I made feel connected or separate? Where do you sense bias during my Fox iso other than me saying your suss? You had a post defending Fox right before he was outed and Fox also took issue with suspicion against you and also tried to start a counter wagon when your name was brought up. Do you deny these things?

I see your point, all I'm saying is that the coincidence is highly unlikely. The post looked like theater which is why I didn't bother replying to it.


I don't recall the post where I defended Fox on.

I think you might be referring to the three bullets question proposed by Kak. Tbh, I didn't think too much on it.

I forgot that Eden wasn't cc'ed
And I admitted that I should've put fox on the list in the next post I sent.


I really don't buy the argument that I was defending Fox here. Also why would Fox stick his neck out for a newbie teammate when he could have benefited much more from bussing me.

If I was in Fox's shoes. I'd see me as a deadweight that'll probably accidentally out their teammates sometime later in the game.

The only reason, therefore, that Fox would have to defend me was if I was actually town. It could be really likely that Fox was secretly hoping I'd flip and (when I show up as town) he can gloat to the people in the anti-dousing wagon and gain a bit more cred.

K (unless smt happens) I'm gonna take a bit of a break since this mafia talk is making my brain melt.

There was a post you made right before Fox got exposed where you were hedging on Fox's slot, you even got called out for it. I would try to go back and look for it but I feel like that's such a difficult task.

I mean, you saying what Fox would do as wolf is completely WIFOM. You can't say 'but Fox wouldn't do that as wolf!' as if you're assumption on what he'd do trumps what everyone else thinks. The fact of the matter is Fox has issues with votes on you, somehow linked it to being Eden related, and then voted for Eden. That feels pretty pingy to me. I don't see how you come to the conclusion at all that Fox must have been defending town. That seems so far-fetched and you trying to say Fox wanted to say 'aha!' of you potentially flipping when he was actively trying to save you is head scratching.

Okay yes I think we're referring to the same thing. And like I said before, I said I would Fox on the list in the very next post I sent.




Fox's defense on me is not really WIFOM? I'm not sure how your reaching the conclusions you're reaching tbh.

All I'm saying is that (if you put yourself in Fox's shoes on D1) you would see that it would make a LOT more sense to bus me than to stick your neck out for me.

[Dousing]

OK...I get that. Where does ghug come in to this analogy?

I had a similar rough time with rdr my last game: I correctly sussed him, but when I scanned I got town. Little did I know he'd been driven that night. I was worried about it, but wasn't able to doubt it enough.

two thoughts; one post

I realized I could be making the same mistake RE:Xcution that I made w/S&C last game

However, I think Ghug has been vouching for X which makes me think that Ghug has a vested interest in drawing more attention to me and less to X

What do you say about ghug seeing me play, though? I think this is kind of a similar conclusion you are making when you say I was working with Haze. You've taken the two slots in familiar with in this game and somehow turned it into suss towards me and team equity. Realistically those two players are the only ones that know me, and vice versa, and I don't like how you're trying to turn that familiarity into something more.

It's not moreso coordination but just where Ghug seems to want the conversations to go. I think he's minimizing the case against you and prioritizing the case against me.

My point being is that *if you flip mafia* then I think Ghug is liekly maf as well

[Dousing]

have you ever heard of contraction theory?

no and the look up definition seems too confusing

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Important note: town lost that game

[damo666]

It is highly unlikely X and Haze are both town.

##vote X

If I have it wrong then sorry but you know what to do.

[sweetandcool]

It is highly unlikely X and Haze are both town.

##vote X

If I have it wrong then sorry but you know what to do.

Vote was invalid. You'll have to do the full name, or I assume ##VOTE Xcu works too.

[sweetandcool]

It is highly unlikely X and Haze are both town.

##vote X

If I have it wrong then sorry but you know what to do.

And why do you think that? I'm not sure what the connection between them would be.

[damo666]

##vote Xcution.
I'll allow him explain.

[damo666]

Actually I'm virtually certain Xcution is scum.

[ghug]

Sorry for dipping the moment X went online, it wasn’t intentional I just decided to “rest my eyes” and slept through half of this afternoon

im caught up and gonna respond once I get some housework done.


To address a criticism early. While I do concede that the idea was not mine. I feel like I did a great deal of the legwork and that it really shows since the anti-X wagon would not have formed without my post.

Certainly that *could* look like I was just responding to signaling from Sweet (which means that both me, sweet, and fox are maf) but

1. I think that’s way too obv to do

2. I could make v similar cases about some of y’all when you joined the dousing wagon


Currently I’m suspicious of X, Ghug, Haze, and Bunny. Someone else has also been on my radar too but I wanna check their post history before I put them on my scumreads

I thought you didn't care about credit for your post.

[ghug]

Sorry for dipping the moment X went online, it wasn’t intentional I just decided to “rest my eyes” and slept through half of this afternoon

im caught up and gonna respond once I get some housework done.


To address a criticism early. While I do concede that the idea was not mine. I feel like I did a great deal of the legwork and that it really shows since the anti-X wagon would not have formed without my post.

Certainly that *could* look like I was just responding to signaling from Sweet (which means that both me, sweet, and fox are maf) but

1. I think that’s way too obv to do

2. I could make v similar cases about some of y’all when you joined the dousing wagon


Currently I’m suspicious of X, Ghug, Haze, and Bunny. Someone else has also been on my radar too but I wanna check their post history before I put them on my scumreads

I don't understand the logic that in the case you are Mafia, you were responding to teammate sweetandcool signalling you. Weird conclusion, especially since Mafia gets to chat during the night.

This makes me like Dousing more. Craziness is usually townie.

[damo666]

As soon as Jamie speaks I'll know for sure. I'll either have 3 townclears or a nailed scum.

[damo666]

Assuming X is scum I invite opinions as to who his likely teammates are and who is unlikely to be a teammate.

[damo666]

I'm pretty confident in a town victory now.

[damo666]

Someone wake Jamie up

[ghug]

ghug and eden can call it fake again

Nah that one was fine. Just easy.

[damo666]

Say something sweet

[damo666]

Scum are in panic mode

[ghug]

Since I'm behind and a bit lost in this game, I thought I'd look through Fox's posts and see what stand out to me in terms of team equity.

On page thirteen, Fox starts his suss and votes off with Bunny. I don't know how to decipher Bunny's early play of just liking and not being around, but something about this feels a bit fake. Does Fox really feel this outraged about Bunny? Is it really deserving of a vote? I feel like this is Fox trying to take advantage of LHF early on and he made consecutive posts bringing attention to Bunny's slot. If they were mates, I'm not sure why you'd put your mate in the spotlight, give some lame reasoning to push them (possibly faking outrage) and then voting them. This seems like it could easily backfire. I think this is just a case of a fox hunting a bunny.

On page fifteen there was some interaction with Sweet. I don't really get the point of their interaction, and it's dropped fairly quickly. Well there isn't much there, the quick interaction, and then subsequent dropping of it, saying they were better off doing other things, could suggest that this was an attempt at some early distancing. Considering how I feel about Sweet's slot as well, this pings me a little more strongly.

Post 599 is kind of interesting to me because Fox brings up issues with Damo's town core (worcej, Brain, Eden). Would a mate really publicly all out another mate's town core and put them under scrutiny? I don't think there's any bus equity here, so Fox trying to slam Damo like this makes me lean on them not being mates. There's also continued interaction between the two of them over this and it makes me feel like it's not wolf theatre.

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After this there is some interaction with Eden and Jamie that doesn't feel too pingy either way. I obviously don't know what Fox is capable of as wolf, but the conversations with these two slots feel pretty casual and easy. Is Fox able to do that with mates out in the open? I'm not sure. I'm probably leaning towards no.

Post 1017 is some reads from Fox. Kind of hard to decipher since he doesn't want to vote a town flip (Bozo) but he did want to vote another town flip (pyxxy). The thing that kind of stands out for me here is that Fox starts and ends this post both with town reads, on Sweet and Damo. I've already mentioned the earlier interaction with Sweet looking fake but Damo is a curious town read here as well, considering he called out his town core but then didn't really follow it up with much. I'm not sure why Fox would call both of these slots town.

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Post 1152 also stands out for me a bit. Despite town reading Sweet, he hedges the argument between Sweet and I by saying out of all the early arguments, me versus Sweet seems to most likely to be a town versus wolf argument. Fox mentioned in his reads being fine with voting for me, but if he's saying that I'm the wolf in this interaction, he sure isn't doing much to push me. This feels like he could be hedging a bit on his read on Sweet, if they are mates here.

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Post 1461 and 1469 stick out to me. He drops his LHF vote against Bunny and starts to go after Bona, including saying his PR claim is fake. This feels like too aggressive of a move out of nowhere to be directed at a mate. This makes me lean Bona as town because of this.

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Post 1565 is some more reads by Fox. Interesting that he wants to let Bona off the hook, makes me think Fox was just trying to use that slot as an easy place to drop a vote, which continues to make me lean Bona as not a mate. A lot of town reads for Fox as well. But at the end he mentions me and Sweet being town versus town, after saying we were the most likely argument to be town versus wolf, and doesn't really explain his thought process. I'm still getting bad vibes on how Fox has treated Sweet's slot this game.

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Page ninety Fox calls votes on Dousing foolish and then somehow pivots that idea into voting for Eden. I didn't really read the end of D1, but I hear Eden was a counter wagon. Interesting to see Fox push away from Dousing and then drop onto Eden. On page 94 he does vote Dousing, only to jump onto Bozo's wagon. This could be seen as some opportunistic play with Fox, avoiding going for Dousing, and voting for the two big wagons at EOD1 (not sure what VC looked like around this time).


After this, Fox's posts come when he's outed by worcej, so I'm not going to look over them or worry about what was said since Fox was already compromised. Going over Fox's iso, I'd say there's low team equity between him and Bunny, Eden, Jamie, and Bona. I think there's decent team equity between Fox, Sweet, and Dousing. I'd probably lean Damo to being lower team equity as well.

maybe i just don't get x

maybe this is just how he sounds

but he doesn't feel real

This feels how he is.

[ghug]

Imagine Dousing being wolf with Sweet and Jamie. Me using 2% of to bait out the wolf team and DESTROYING them.

imagine the more likely possibility you're wrong

This is townie though right?