M80 Game Thread

[Bonatogether]

##vote bona

@dousing why did you +1 this

that was cringe

we already knew ghug was cringe as he's a commiefornian

It was out of the blue and made me chuckle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

voting me is not a laughing matter

[BunnyGo]

@Haze, @Xcution

Okay, throughout the game you've both said things that seem "off". For X in particular, I've ascribed that as them being Mafia and just pretending to more or less have poor reading comprehension.

But I am asking sincerely, are you both reading all of the content? I don't know if regulars read all of the content, but if they don't they manage to make comments that don't sound like they have no idea what's going on.

If you are struggling to keep up on accusations made against you, consider ctrl-f your name, that will function as an @ that we all wish we had for the forum.

Peterbot helps too, but I think you've both implied you started using it.

Use the search:

[Bonatogether]

Also had RDR done anything other than scumread me and Haze?

Also does he seem a lot more angry/emotional than last game?

yes

no

ratio

[Bonatogether]

This iso system and site's features just not jive with me.

try the search option on the landing page. I'll often search for @Bun* to see if anyone asked me anything. Or if comparing two players I'll look for (e.g. kak* as the player and fox* as the word)

if you're not familiar * stands for any number of characters.

then you miss whenever i talk about bongo!

bunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbunbun

[Bonatogether]

What I'm saying about the one hour time difference is that there is a very high chance that X saw my post on him an hour ago (or even more since he could've just read my post and not announced himself) went "oh shit" and decided to coincidentally have a theory linking me, Fox, and Sweet together

i mean

maybe he did?

probably he didn't, if he was being an industrious little guy, and in any case, it's impossible to know until post-game

in any case he DEFINITELY did not make that case solely because of your post. that man has been locked in for a while now

I'm not implying he didn't have that idea in his head previously. What I am saying is that the post itself seems written as an indirect response/distraction to my post

yes i picked up on that

i disagree

why don't you take his advice and think about teams

if x being scum is axiomatic, then find his teammates

[Bonatogether]

Literally never occurred to me that that could be a possibility

this makes no sense to me

I forgot that nighttalk existed; its not that complicated??

did you read the setup sir

[Bonatogether]

ok i caught up i can go home now

[Dousing]

@dousing why did you +1 this

that was cringe

we already knew ghug was cringe as he's a commiefornian

It was out of the blue and made me chuckle ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

voting me is not a laughing matter

I'm gonna +1 everything just so Bona can't do +1 analysis on me

[Bonatogether]

i used to +1 everything and then people complained about it

[Bonatogether]

why is sweet 'widely townread' (to quote someone i forget)

[Dousing]

i used to +1 everything and then people complained about it

Not willing to stand up for what you believe in?

Scum behaviour

[Bonatogether]

i used to +1 everything and then people complained about it

Not willing to stand up for what you believe in?

Scum behaviour

nah i stopped cause i was lazy

[Bonatogether]

Would you like to explain why you made the claim in the first place? I'm inclined to believe neither you nor Brainbomb made real claims.

I think you of all people know that claims are taken very seriously. D1 is not so serious, but even then it's hard to just say that you were joking, especially when you made the claim EoD.

i thought bozo was scum and decided to engage in shenanigans i learned from bona and ghug to make people panic and vote my desired target

but i didnt wanna die myself so i picked the shittiest town role (seriously have you read this thing lmao it sucks) to claim and then forgot to retract before i fell asleep because i’m a gamer

Hah, yeah I remember thinking Quartermaster was crap and hoped I didn't roll it.

Still, I think it would negatively affect you regardless of time of retraction. I recall last game where you didn't follow a plan and were finally cut down for it. I suspect the same people take role-claims just as seriously.

I didn't take your claim seriously, and I could tell the voting + roleclaims were meant to cause confusion.

When you made your claim (and it was a hardclaim, why not just claim without saying that?), you were at 5 votes, Bozo at 4 votes, Dousing at 4 votes.

Dousing's votes were on the ascendant, and I think the general feel was Bozo was going to go. Nobody seemed to have a serious bone to pick with you, whereas several people seemed to be coming around to voting Bozo.

Given the nature of D1, I actually don't think you were in much danger, and your voting confusion would have been enough to 'save' you, if that was necessary.

Furthermore, you know the point of the game is not to stay alive, but to beat Mafia. So what were the consequences of your voting confusion and your fake claim?

1. You survived (though in my opinion you weren't in much danger).
2. You made people a little suspicious and annoyed at you for your confusion votes (although I've seen that before, and don't hold it against you).
3. You made yourself super suspicious by making an unnecessary fake claim.

Now, many people are going to want to flip you. Congrats, you survived D1 only to die D2 from sheer stupidity.

eden points to this post but i don't reaaaally see it? like maybe but not a hard townread

[Bonatogether]

I have not read the thread since I posted last. After taking a long break from mafia, and then getting run out on D1 last game and now this, I'm having trouble mustering the motivation.

My best guess at scum is:

Worcej
Eden
Bona
Kak

I think that after Worcej got to the scum chat last night, they realized that he wasn't going to be able to maintain the PR facade for very long and decided to go out with a bang and hopefully out a PR on the way. I had initially thought that Worcej had the suicide bomb (what a way to go), but now I see that after I flip town there's going to be a lot of "oh, it must have been the driver! I'm sowwy" So eventually the real Navigator may need to claim.

I suppose there is some chance that it was the driver. If worcej is actually a PR, then my next guesses are ghug, haze, and sweet.

I think D1 was TvT, and I think when that happens, scum tend to distribute themselves rather than clumping on the top wagons. I'm sure other people have their own ideas about how to do VCA/etc, but I'm trying to leave helpful advice.

I also recommend occasionally flipping all your reads: scum are motivated to look as towny as possible, and it's naive to think that some of them haven't fooled you.

I am unlikely to spend my day keeping up with the thread, but if you want to question me, I will try to come back in the afternoon and will search the bot for "Call Foxcastle" if you want to tag questions with that.

discovered this post

i think his scumlist is entirely town

[Dousing]

why is sweet 'widely townread' (to quote someone i forget)

That was Sweet




Sweetandcool calling himself widely townread:

[Bonatogether]

why is sweet 'widely townread' (to quote someone i forget)

That was Sweet




Sweetandcool calling himself widely townread:

i think it's really the case that if you just say things enough times they become commonly accepted

[sweetandcool]

Ah well, it seems not too many people are here anyway and I'm kinda spent and it's saturday night so I guess I'll go somewhere. We have 48 hours until the next phase change anyway so for now I'll use a bit of this time to destress.

have fun and see you in a bit. If you have questions to me, just shoot them, I'll read them later.

@kak are we best friends

i get the feeling these two just +1 whatever shit they see

I think you pointing it out has driven Dousing to start +1 most of your posts...

[Xcution]

SNIP

Okay, first thing I want to say that I think it's bad faith to hold me to the same standards that you hold yourself; just because you play a certain way as an alignment does not mean someone else has to or does. Second, I'm not sure why bringing in my experience here has anything to do with how you play? The standards you are applying to my slot do not feel like it's good faith.

So you start off by parroting three 'main points' that Sweet has brought up against me, as well as two 'points in my favor' that Sweet gave me. You make no opinion of your own on these and fail to say how this might solve my alignment either way. However, you then go on to say that these posts interested you for seemingly unrelated reasons. 1. You say you trust Sweet more than me because they are 'acting' reliably. Are they acting reliably or are they actually reliable? What are the reasons for this? 2. I'm not sure how you saying you can't remember what I've done beyond Sweet is relevant to you bringing up the Sweet's main points and points in my favor posts. This also seems fake because right after you make the comment about not remembering anything else I've done, you drop a comment saying I threw a ton of shade Jamie's way. So you obviously did remember SOMETHING else I did. So which is it? Not really sure how these two points made you interested in what Sweet was saying. This feels more like a way to attach yourself to Sweet's argument against me than something you actually believe.

I think saying I am 'hating on new accounts' is pretty disingenuous when this is literally my first game here; how can I be hating on anything? And I like how you are calling me out for open-ended questions when Sweet was calling me out for not asking any questions at all. So which is it that I am doing this game?

You calling me out for not voting EOD1 is complete shade. I was not around for EOD1 and wasn't going to leave my vote just anywhere. I'm not quite sure how I've deserved such sarcasm and mocking accusations from your slot when we haven't even interacted this game.

You summarized my interaction with Jamie but just left it at simple shading of me. Jamie didn't really want to interact with me despite me trying to poke at him. It's funny that you are taking such an issue with that as well. I wonder if there is a specific reason for this?

You mentioning my N1/D2 contributions is pretty moot because I told the thread I wasn't going to be around and able to participate until the weekend. My interactions with Bunny and Haze are because they chose to interact with me and carry on a conversation, not the other way around. I can't really remember my interactions with Bunny N1, but with Haze, they said it was better off for me to interact live if I wasn't caught up, and then we had a few back and forths about where our heads were at.

It's funny you take issue with me after I casually said you were defending Fox right before he got exposed in the thread. My D2 was lackluster, of course it was, because I wasn't able to be in the thread or read. You've also acted like me voting, me responding to something someone asked me to respond to, and me saying you were defending Fox, is somehow a gotcha moment for my D2 play. You haven't really pushed anything other than my interaction with Sweet and me being inactive. There are no original ideas here other than you piggy backing on Sweet's posts against me as well as shading my inactivity after I said I wouldn't be around. I can fully admit I haven't been as active as I would have liked, but that happens sometimes. I can't completely disagree with the fact that I'm a 'dark horse candidate' for wolf, but I also know that I haven't really been around this game and you haven't really made any new or hard points against me. You've simply said I haven't contributed to town and have left it at that. You never dissected any of my posts for ulterior motive, you haven't dismantled my pushes as being incorrect, nor have you given reasons as to why I'm wolf other than I haven't progress the game or helped town much (both things I can admit to). I don't think this is a push done in good faith, and for this to come after I call you out for defending Fox, as well as what I saw with Fox's interactions with you after I isoed him, makes me believe that you are just playing wolf here.

In the beginning of the post I use Sweetandcool's post just to explain *why* I decided to look into you. The fact that the post came from sweet is less important than the fact that the argument against you is a strong one in my opinion.

AS I said before:

(It doesn't *really* matter where the argument came from because the argument itself is very strong imo.)

I talk about how the only memory I have about you is when you beefed with Sweet because it's true. Yes, I bring up your beef with Jamie right after which I admit was confusing.

HOWEVER, you have to keep in mind I was writing this post *after* reading through your history. And it was only *after* I read through your posts that I even remembered that you beefed with Jamie on D1.


Anyway I want to discuss the Haze/Bunny connection:

All I'm saying is that you not just exclusively talked to them in N1 but you also *actively* sought them out.

You said this:

Haze, I trust you with my life, so solve the game for me.

(Which is either a joke I don't understand or you townreading Haze without any reason to)

and this

@Bunnygo I haven't interacted with you yet this game. How come you stayed away so long? Do you feel bad for outing worcej? Do you believe his claim? Who are the wolves?

*Look Sweet I'm asking questions!

In no other case do I really see you trying to connect/build bridges with anyone

Yes, I know you used Sweet to look into me, but you just used his case and restated it without adding anything to it. You can see why maybe I think that's lazy, yeah?

I mean, the Haze quote you pulled was a joke, and was also in the middle of our interaction when Haze told me to just play live. It wasn't like I was just sitting alone in the thread and sought out Haze and made that comment. And then with Bunny, when I was trying to play live at that point in the game, Bunny was active and someone I hadn't talked to once in this game. So what you say is working with Haze and Bunny is really just me having a quick interaction with them while we were all online. In your case against me, you tried and used my experience against me to shade me and say that I should be doing better. Isn't that a hypocritical idea to hold while also thinking that as wolf, I'm just going to come lurking out of hiding to chit chat with what you're calling my mates? I know I've missed some pages, but do I really feel so clueless and lost that I just pop in during night to chat publicly with my mates in an effort that seems pretty unproductive and unmoving?

[Bonatogether]

I have not read the thread since I posted last. After taking a long break from mafia, and then getting run out on D1 last game and now this, I'm having trouble mustering the motivation.

My best guess at scum is:

Worcej
Eden
Bona
Kak

I think that after Worcej got to the scum chat last night, they realized that he wasn't going to be able to maintain the PR facade for very long and decided to go out with a bang and hopefully out a PR on the way. I had initially thought that Worcej had the suicide bomb (what a way to go), but now I see that after I flip town there's going to be a lot of "oh, it must have been the driver! I'm sowwy" So eventually the real Navigator may need to claim.

I suppose there is some chance that it was the driver. If worcej is actually a PR, then my next guesses are ghug, haze, and sweet.

I think D1 was TvT, and I think when that happens, scum tend to distribute themselves rather than clumping on the top wagons. I'm sure other people have their own ideas about how to do VCA/etc, but I'm trying to leave helpful advice.

I also recommend occasionally flipping all your reads: scum are motivated to look as towny as possible, and it's naive to think that some of them haven't fooled you.

I am unlikely to spend my day keeping up with the thread, but if you want to question me, I will try to come back in the afternoon and will search the bot for "Call Foxcastle" if you want to tag questions with that.

fox probably believes he's dead in the water at this point

marked section 2 - no one experienced is going to suddenly take this to heart, especially because he's about to flip. i therefore believe it (which jibes with my overall sense of the game, setting aside eden). i think the list of 4-6 generally going around is heavily composed of inactive and unlucky townies, and that there are deep scum.

marked section 1 - can't really be interpreted without knowing d1's schema, but he's saying that me/bongo/sweet/Xcut are likely to be 3 or more town. this intuitively seems like bullshit

past bona dropping truth bombs

[Dousing]

why is sweet 'widely townread' (to quote someone i forget)

That was Sweet




Sweetandcool calling himself widely townread:

i think it's really the case that if you just say things enough times they become commonly accepted

Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia
Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia
Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia
Dousing is not scum
Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia
Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia
Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia