M80 Game Thread

[Xcution]

Also Y'all are forgetting that X has exclusively been working with Haze and Bunny

Define working with? I'd say I've been pretty lazy this game and have barely been working on ANYTHING.

[President Eden]

@ghuggies

how confident are you in your haze read?

i'm not asking "how townie do you think haze is" but, on the read that you have that haze is town (however strong that read is), how confident are you in that read

[ghug]

@ghuggies

how confident are you in your haze read?

i'm not asking "how townie do you think haze is" but, on the read that you have that haze is town (however strong that read is), how confident are you in that read

Feel pretty solid about him for now.

Your turn: go reread Fox's treatment of the Dousing wagon and tell me what you think.

[Dousing]

Oh, I see you dropped a case on me. I wish this site had mention features so I could be tagged when someone is talking to me. What made you drop this case?

I refuse to believe that this is an organic thought process.

It's kind of interesting to me that after reading Fox's iso, I come away with some team equity between you two, as well as Sweet, and you and Sweet have now been to slots that have pushed my own.

Obvious theater from X is obvious theater, Xcution *JUST SO HAPPENS* to have some interesting theory about me and Sweet right when I levy a case against him.

(Also note the one hour difference between when X makes his first post to the massive wallpost)

Define working with? I'd say I've been pretty lazy this game and have barely been working on ANYTHING.

See above (K well since you asked nicely I'll send it)

X's contribution's N1 were very minimal (that's alright). HOWEVER, 8/16 of all his posts during that phase were replies to/were about Haze with a Z. (and 12/16 of his posts involved either Bunny or Haze)

This is even more interesting when you consider the following about the posts that didn't involve Haze:

- The first two posts were random posts about the mechanics of the night phase,
- One post was a reply to Worcej about the mechanics of the night phase
- One post was an open ended question about the Bozo wagon


All the actual thinking done by X was in tandem with Haze or Bunny

[Dousing]

@ghuggies

how confident are you in your haze read?

i'm not asking "how townie do you think haze is" but, on the read that you have that haze is town (however strong that read is), how confident are you in that read

Feel pretty solid about him for now.

Your turn: go reread Fox's treatment of the Dousing wagon and tell me what you think.

Pyxxy did the exact same things Fox did. You had a big argument with him on N1 about that IIRC

[ghug]

@ghuggies

how confident are you in your haze read?

i'm not asking "how townie do you think haze is" but, on the read that you have that haze is town (however strong that read is), how confident are you in that read

Feel pretty solid about him for now.

Your turn: go reread Fox's treatment of the Dousing wagon and tell me what you think.

Pyxxy did the exact same things Fox did. You had a big argument with him on N1 about that IIRC

Pyxxy didn't also vote for you.

[Dousing]

How does X seem town and Bunny and Haze get in as locktown?

I'm lowest on the list so are you implying that you'd rather flip me than anyone else?

Why is Kak more townie than Jamie. I get the same vibe from both of them tbh.


Am I crazy? Bc nobody else has raised an eyebrow to this so far

I'm lowest on the list, not you.

you never answered the second half to that question

[ghug]

How does X seem town and Bunny and Haze get in as locktown?

I'm lowest on the list so are you implying that you'd rather flip me than anyone else?

Why is Kak more townie than Jamie. I get the same vibe from both of them tbh.


Am I crazy? Bc nobody else has raised an eyebrow to this so far

I'm lowest on the list, not you.

you never answered the second half to that question

Yes, I am implying that.

[President Eden]

@ghuggies

how confident are you in your haze read?

i'm not asking "how townie do you think haze is" but, on the read that you have that haze is town (however strong that read is), how confident are you in that read

Feel pretty solid about him for now.

Your turn: go reread Fox's treatment of the Dousing wagon and tell me what you think.

Funny enough, I was in the middle of a post about this last night when Dousing gave it back to X.

I'm mostly curious about how willing scum!Fox is to say this if Dousing is also scum:

Most of the votes on Dousing seem to have something to do with Eden?

I would actually rather see Eden as a viable wagon. ##VOTE President Eden

He didn't know I was PR yet, but he knew I was town... that's quite the extension if Dousing ever flips IMO. I thought it was a valid enough point at the time, but I think he would have struggled with the optics of this post pretty badly if Dousing ever flips.

Maybe it's worth it if he takes Dousing at his word that he'll come back D2 and onward and make a good impression though:

Trust me, I'll be a lot more active starting tmr. I've just been overworked and today marks the twelfth shift I've worked in a row.

I will finally get a few days off tmr and will resume a normal schedule and be a whole lot more active

[Xcution]

SNIP

Okay, first thing I want to say that I think it's bad faith to hold me to the same standards that you hold yourself; just because you play a certain way as an alignment does not mean someone else has to or does. Second, I'm not sure why bringing in my experience here has anything to do with how you play? The standards you are applying to my slot do not feel like it's good faith.

So you start off by parroting three 'main points' that Sweet has brought up against me, as well as two 'points in my favor' that Sweet gave me. You make no opinion of your own on these and fail to say how this might solve my alignment either way. However, you then go on to say that these posts interested you for seemingly unrelated reasons. 1. You say you trust Sweet more than me because they are 'acting' reliably. Are they acting reliably or are they actually reliable? What are the reasons for this? 2. I'm not sure how you saying you can't remember what I've done beyond Sweet is relevant to you bringing up the Sweet's main points and points in my favor posts. This also seems fake because right after you make the comment about not remembering anything else I've done, you drop a comment saying I threw a ton of shade Jamie's way. So you obviously did remember SOMETHING else I did. So which is it? Not really sure how these two points made you interested in what Sweet was saying. This feels more like a way to attach yourself to Sweet's argument against me than something you actually believe.

I think saying I am 'hating on new accounts' is pretty disingenuous when this is literally my first game here; how can I be hating on anything? And I like how you are calling me out for open-ended questions when Sweet was calling me out for not asking any questions at all. So which is it that I am doing this game?

You calling me out for not voting EOD1 is complete shade. I was not around for EOD1 and wasn't going to leave my vote just anywhere. I'm not quite sure how I've deserved such sarcasm and mocking accusations from your slot when we haven't even interacted this game.

You summarized my interaction with Jamie but just left it at simple shading of me. Jamie didn't really want to interact with me despite me trying to poke at him. It's funny that you are taking such an issue with that as well. I wonder if there is a specific reason for this?

You mentioning my N1/D2 contributions is pretty moot because I told the thread I wasn't going to be around and able to participate until the weekend. My interactions with Bunny and Haze are because they chose to interact with me and carry on a conversation, not the other way around. I can't really remember my interactions with Bunny N1, but with Haze, they said it was better off for me to interact live if I wasn't caught up, and then we had a few back and forths about where our heads were at.

It's funny you take issue with me after I casually said you were defending Fox right before he got exposed in the thread. My D2 was lackluster, of course it was, because I wasn't able to be in the thread or read. You've also acted like me voting, me responding to something someone asked me to respond to, and me saying you were defending Fox, is somehow a gotcha moment for my D2 play. You haven't really pushed anything other than my interaction with Sweet and me being inactive. There are no original ideas here other than you piggy backing on Sweet's posts against me as well as shading my inactivity after I said I wouldn't be around. I can fully admit I haven't been as active as I would have liked, but that happens sometimes. I can't completely disagree with the fact that I'm a 'dark horse candidate' for wolf, but I also know that I haven't really been around this game and you haven't really made any new or hard points against me. You've simply said I haven't contributed to town and have left it at that. You never dissected any of my posts for ulterior motive, you haven't dismantled my pushes as being incorrect, nor have you given reasons as to why I'm wolf other than I haven't progress the game or helped town much (both things I can admit to). I don't think this is a push done in good faith, and for this to come after I call you out for defending Fox, as well as what I saw with Fox's interactions with you after I isoed him, makes me believe that you are just playing wolf here.

[Xcution]

Oh, I see you dropped a case on me. I wish this site had mention features so I could be tagged when someone is talking to me. What made you drop this case?

I refuse to believe that this is an organic thought process.

It's kind of interesting to me that after reading Fox's iso, I come away with some team equity between you two, as well as Sweet, and you and Sweet have now been to slots that have pushed my own.

Obvious theater from X is obvious theater, Xcution *JUST SO HAPPENS* to have some interesting theory about me and Sweet right when I levy a case against him.

(Also note the one hour difference between when X makes his first post to the massive wallpost)

Define working with? I'd say I've been pretty lazy this game and have barely been working on ANYTHING.

See above (K well since you asked nicely I'll send it)

X's contribution's N1 were very minimal (that's alright). HOWEVER, 8/16 of all his posts during that phase were replies to/were about Haze with a Z. (and 12/16 of his posts involved either Bunny or Haze)

This is even more interesting when you consider the following about the posts that didn't involve Haze:

- The first two posts were random posts about the mechanics of the night phase,
- One post was a reply to Worcej about the mechanics of the night phase
- One post was an open ended question about the Bozo wagon


All the actual thinking done by X was in tandem with Haze or Bunny

Every single site I've ever played on has mentions. If I haven't read thirty pages of a game, and someone drops a case on me but there are no mentions, how exactly do you expect me to find the case? At the end of the day, EVERY site should have mentions. How are you shading me for this?

I mean, do I just happen to have an interesting theory or was I able to get to my laptop and actually iso Fox's posts? Do you disagree with how I narrated Fox's interactions with your slot and how he handled pressure and votes on your slot? How come you read my Fox iso but had no response to it? This feels like fake emotion in this reaction and unnecessary shade.

[Xcution]

@ghuggies

how confident are you in your haze read?

i'm not asking "how townie do you think haze is" but, on the read that you have that haze is town (however strong that read is), how confident are you in that read

Feel pretty solid about him for now.

Your turn: go reread Fox's treatment of the Dousing wagon and tell me what you think.

Funny enough, I was in the middle of a post about this last night when Dousing gave it back to X.

I'm mostly curious about how willing scum!Fox is to say this if Dousing is also scum:

Most of the votes on Dousing seem to have something to do with Eden?

I would actually rather see Eden as a viable wagon. ##VOTE President Eden

He didn't know I was PR yet, but he knew I was town... that's quite the extension if Dousing ever flips IMO. I thought it was a valid enough point at the time, but I think he would have struggled with the optics of this post pretty badly if Dousing ever flips.

Maybe it's worth it if he takes Dousing at his word that he'll come back D2 and onward and make a good impression though:

Trust me, I'll be a lot more active starting tmr. I've just been overworked and today marks the twelfth shift I've worked in a row.

I will finally get a few days off tmr and will resume a normal schedule and be a whole lot more active

I actually don't see what the issue with Fox saying that is? When I read Fox's iso, it seemed like Fox was reacting to some heat on Dousing and somehow connected it back to your slot, justifying (?) a vote on you. I read it as a wolf trying to take pressure of a mate and redirect it elsewhere.

[President Eden]

[redacted]

[redacted]

[Xcution]

Imagine Dousing being wolf with Sweet and Jamie. Me using 2% of to bait out the wolf team and DESTROYING them.

[Xcution]

[redacted]

[redacted]

What does your cute mode of transportation mean?!

[Kakarroto]

So, what are your thoughts on my "mafia didn't put their hidden teammates in the '3 bullets to shoot' list"?

[Xcution]

So, what are your thoughts on my "mafia didn't put their hidden teammates in the '3 bullets to shoot' list"?

I didn't see this thought and I'd have to know what players said who to shoot. But I think that's a pretty tough theory to prove.

[Kakarroto]

that explains a lot. Err I mean, what do you think then of fox's fascination with your upvotes. He seemed quite annoyed by you doing that, though then he proceeded to townread you (and questioned worcejs PR claim). If it would've been someone else than you, how would you see that?

I, as I said, lean towards that it looks a bit more like as if you were partner in crime there. Or do you think fox did fake all that?

I noticed it (obv...he talk about ME). It seemed genuine in the sense that he seemed honestly miffed by it (the "angry" post is not something I think of him randomly throwing in). I also tried upvoting almost every post talking about me just as an "I see you" thing. This in addition to upvoting the posts that were saying roughly what I was thinking.

In retrospect, it's an easy to talk about thing to appear to be hunting. Even leaves it with an easy to "change his mind about" later. as in "Oh...Bunny seemed scummy and weird for a bit, but that all makes sense and now that I've sussed him for a bit, now I'll reasonably change my mind."

I have no idea why he questioned worcej's claim.

Hmm, yes, that could be it, sure enough.

Do you remember that I asked you before to give me three people you would shoot (excluding fox)? I asked some more people about it. All the ones I did consider in my personal PoE (although two of them a bit higher but I wanted to include them still since I was unsure).

this were the answers they gave:
dousing (eden bona ghug) [post 2652 page 133 for reasons]
Bunny DID ANSWER (RD haze sweet)
damo did answer later (fox dousing haze)
RD did answer later (dousing haze because mafia bona because not readable)
X DID ANSWER (sweet jamie kak. maybe haze and ghug; NOT shoot brain or damo) [follows up with dousing getting bumped up because of the fox positive post]
fox didn't answer

brain did answer even while not asked (jamie ghug bona)

I did count damo's fox entry because I needed to ask him a second time and forgot to exclude fox there, so that's that.

Anyway, the result was this:
3: bona haze dousing
2: ghug sweet jamie
1: eden RD fox kak

quite nice right? Well, surprisingly, there were no votes for you, bunny, damo or X ... and that kept me thinking. In this list there should be the majority, if not all, mafia. Yet no votes for you three, even when they were in my post and people subconsciously were reminded of your names. But instead a vote for eden ... even two for ghug and jamie, which are green in edens (and mine) reads ...

and I think, between you three, the chance of hitting mafia is extremely high ... not with those who got many votes (and I even would veto bona and sweet here which I townread ... well a little bit of doubt has formed for bona, but surly not enough to consider him right now).

Additionally, you, bunny, and X were often a topic for fox. That is a lot of coincidence, I think ...

did overlook to put haze into the mix, which made it

so after putting that in, it looks like that:

4: dousing
3: bona haze
2: ghug sweet jamie RD
1: eden fox kak damo

still a striking absence for X and Bunny

@xcution thoughts?

[rdrivera2005]

Why people post this much at night? I just can't read all this and I don't have anything new to say.

Anyway I don't think I will be NKed and if Vig decide to shoot me so be it.

Back in 1 hour to see what happened.

[Haze with a Z]

How does X seem town and Bunny and Haze get in as locktown?

I'm lowest on the list so are you implying that you'd rather flip me than anyone else?

Why is Kak more townie than Jamie. I get the same vibe from both of them tbh.


Am I crazy? Bc nobody else has raised an eyebrow to this so far

By "same vibe" I mean they're kinda at the same level for townie/scumminess wise

I do as well, but they also have people in their top town that I wouldn't put in my town category, same with their towny category. Also their lock scum category is their lock town category which I'm putting above top town in this discription.