M80 Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

Three more enders required.

I agree with President Eden that we should wait for now, calm yourself Daemo.

[President Eden]

hey let’s slow down fellas

we all got a lil mixed up

no one did anything wrong

it’s all chill

[Jamiet99uk]

hey let’s slow down fellas

we all got a lil mixed up

no one did anything wrong

it’s all chill

I'm super chill.

I've only said "fuck" twice so far in this whole game - and both times it was to Ghug.

[brainbomb]

Does anyone “not understand” why I think dousing was the target of driving?

Does anyone “not understand” from what ive said; why mafia would have killed pyxxy?

Does anyone “not understand” the connection between those two concepts?


If your issue is not about understanding; and that you just dont think any of this is relevant; and that none of this is what actually happened then you can ignore this whole thought bubble

[Jamiet99uk]

Does anyone “not understand” why I think dousing was the target of driving?

Does anyone “not understand” from what ive said; why mafia would have killed pyxxy?

Does anyone “not understand” the connection between those two concepts?

If your issue is not about understanding; and that you just dont think any of this is relevant; and that none of this is what actually happened then you can ignore this whole thought bubble

I think the Mafia probably targeted Pyxxy because they were after someone who wasn't being scumread and who was unlikely to be saved?

That's the simple answer, surely?

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm going out to enjoy the sun, I might not be back much before the truncated EoD. Let's give time for Bona to speak if possible.

See you laters, me hearties.

[brainbomb]

So anything pyxxy had to say about dousing is completely irrelevant to why pyxxy was killed?

Is that your belief

[President Eden]

hey let’s slow down fellas

we all got a lil mixed up

no one did anything wrong

it’s all chill

I'm super chill.

I've only said "fuck" twice so far in this whole game - and both times it was to Ghug.

#fuckghug

[brainbomb]

Okay. I will assume that you do not see any connection between pyxxy dying and dousing being a large wagon yesterday. one which pyxxy argued directly against foxcastle over.

just be aware that this game eventually someone is going to want to resolve dousing and that flip may be incredibly damaging to alot of people depending on how it goes. just trying to look ahead and ponder

[President Eden]

Okay. I will assume that you do not see any connection between pyxxy dying and dousing being a large wagon yesterday. one which pyxxy argued directly against foxcastle over.

just be aware that this game eventually someone is going to want to resolve dousing and that flip may be incredibly damaging to alot of people depending on how it goes. just trying to look ahead and ponder

pyxxy's opinion of Dousing as town declined considerably as n1 progressed though.

[brainbomb]

Okay. I will assume that you do not see any connection between pyxxy dying and dousing being a large wagon yesterday. one which pyxxy argued directly against foxcastle over.

just be aware that this game eventually someone is going to want to resolve dousing and that flip may be incredibly damaging to alot of people depending on how it goes. just trying to look ahead and ponder

pyxxy's opinion of Dousing as town declined considerably as n1 progressed though.

doesnt that make the kill choice weirder then? like again I think the kill has a purpose related to that - but its hard to tell what conclusion scum wants to be drawn about it.

[President Eden]

more precisely, pyxxy's objection to killing Dousing was that (1) Dousing had merely been absent most of the phase, and (2) Dousing had multiple unexplained votes on him. These facts convinced pyxxy that the Dousing wagon was an afk townie wagon and very bad.

As night progressed and pyxxy actually saw Dousing posting, pyxxy's opinion declined to the point that he essentially had Dousing in a 5-person POE by the end of n1. (It's a little more nuanced as pyxxy had Dousing in a 5-person group of 3 mafia, not all four, but the picture is similar enough.)

personally, when I was deciding kills as scum, my focus was more on hitting people who couldn't be miskilled or misdirected. pyx fit that bill IMO. whether the person is actually right on their reads or not isn't of great consequence early in the game IMO.

[President Eden]

Okay. I will assume that you do not see any connection between pyxxy dying and dousing being a large wagon yesterday. one which pyxxy argued directly against foxcastle over.

just be aware that this game eventually someone is going to want to resolve dousing and that flip may be incredibly damaging to alot of people depending on how it goes. just trying to look ahead and ponder

pyxxy's opinion of Dousing as town declined considerably as n1 progressed though.

doesnt that make the kill choice weirder then? like again I think the kill has a purpose related to that - but its hard to tell what conclusion scum wants to be drawn about it.

I think I sort of replied to this at the end of the crosspost just now. I don't think actually being right in your reads has a major influence on early scum kills, because the game is simply too early to try to crystallize a certain narrative and drive kills that way. scum has to stay flexible because it doesn't know the path to victory.

if a townie is not a viable miskill and not easy to misdirect and also right on their reads then sure, kill em, but that third part is icing on the cake really

[damo666]

Three more enders required.

I agree with President Eden that we should wait for now, calm yourself Daemo.

OK

[damo666]

If Agent used driver and assuming brain is telling the truth about being jailed then he was jailed by either Enforcer or Spy since Propagandist shortened the day. I doubt Enforcer or Spy would have used their weakest power ergo driver wasn't used.

Anybody agree? Disagree? Give two hoots?

[brainbomb]

If Agent used driver and assuming brain is telling the truth about being jailed then he was jailed by either Enforcer or Spy since Propagandist shortened the day. I doubt Enforcer or Spy would have used their weakest power ergo driver wasn't used.

Anybody agree? Disagree? Give two hoots?

I disagree because I think mafia fears cop scan more than any other town power and scum would incentivize a false scan more in a game where cop only gets one scan. hence theyd shoot the moon and try to cause a cop to waste their shot.

[sweetandcool]

If Agent used driver and assuming brain is telling the truth about being jailed then he was jailed by either Enforcer or Spy since Propagandist shortened the day. I doubt Enforcer or Spy would have used their weakest power ergo driver wasn't used.

Anybody agree? Disagree? Give two hoots?

If you read my analysis on Mech stuff, you'll find that I agree.

[brainbomb]

if not to cause fuckery with cop scan, or vig, describe what scum is gonna fear most? a watcher? and at one point do they think town is gonna use such powers? N2? N3?

[sweetandcool]

if not to cause fuckery with cop scan, or vig, describe what scum is gonna fear most? a watcher? and at one point do they think town is gonna use such powers? N2? N3?

I would have feared a watcher on worcej.

Consequently, something like role cop on worcej would makes sense, since it is non-lethal. So anyone watching would possibly think the player targeting worcej is Town. On top of that, there was a decent chance priest would protect worcej, so then with two players targeting worcej it would be more complicated.

[brainbomb]

It sounds like based on how this discussion has gone that the majority of players think dousing is scum.

the majority of players think that pyxxy was killed for reasons that have nothing to do at all with how they posted about dousing, and in fact, pyxxy actually wanted dousing to die, but the motive for killing pyxxy has also never been attributed by anyone to being out of a need to protect dousing from pyxxy either.

the consensus is that mafia holstered driver, their only way to redirect a N1 cop scan or vig shot and chose to save the weapon for later.


So, does anyone object to these conclusions. Is this the town consensus?