M80 Game Thread

[sweetandcool]

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

To be fair, there seems to be some sort of typo at play here, or I just can't read:

" The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that they were swapped. ".

This sentence makes no sense to me.

[brainbomb]

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

This was more harsh than I think it should have been - but the lack of a "your target receives" message is meant to indicate that there is no notification if someone is driven.

All you needed to say.

I will not have any further questions on the topic

[Jamiet99uk]

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

Please can you read it for us and tell us what it says.

[President Eden]

##unend
is there a world where Bona is navigator, comes back, sees bot vote count stacked heavily against Fox really early, can be seen lurking the thread a few times yesterday evening, and somehow doesn’t know what is happening and doesn’t cc?

I realize this is a very specific fact pattern but I also don’t see harm in asking

[brainbomb]

Jamie, what my speculation is at this point is unimportant. if you dont understand it, thats fine. It probably doesnt make sense and cant be verified. If you just dont get it thats on me for not articulating it.

It doesnt matter. we can just move on.

[Jamiet99uk]

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

To be fair, there seems to be some sort of typo at play here, or I just can't read:

" The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that that their target was swapped. ".

This sentence makes no sense to me.

It makes more sense corrected as above.

[Chaqa]

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

This was more harsh than I think it should have been - but the lack of a "your target receives" message is meant to indicate that there is no notification if someone is driven.

All you needed to say.

I will not have any further questions on the topic

##GM Note:

This isn't intended to be secret information. I just thought the rules were clear, when I see there may be some room they aren't. I believe that's all clarified now.

[sweetandcool]

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

To be fair, there seems to be some sort of typo at play here, or I just can't read:

" The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that that their target was swapped. ".

This sentence makes no sense to me.

It makes more sense corrected as above.

##CALL GM

Does this sentence taken from the doc make any sense?

"The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that they were swapped."

As written, it does sound like it is claiming the swapper won't get a PM, but that directly contradicts the next line in the doc that describes the PM the swapper will get.

If I had to guess, it should be: "The players targeted will not be informed that they were swapped".

[damo666]

To be fair, there seems to be some sort of typo at play here, or I just can't read:

" The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that that their target was swapped. ".

This sentence makes no sense to me.

It makes more sense corrected as above.

##CALL GM

Does this sentence taken from the doc make any sense?

"The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that they were swapped."

As written, it does sound like it is claiming the swapper won't get a PM, but that directly contradicts the next line in the doc that describes the PM the swapper will get.

If I had to guess, it should be: "The players targeted will not be informed that they were swapped".

No, it means anybody targeting a driven person will get the result pertaining to the other party but will not be informed that the info relates to a swapped party.

[Chaqa]

To be fair, there seems to be some sort of typo at play here, or I just can't read:

" The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that that their target was swapped. ".

This sentence makes no sense to me.

It makes more sense corrected as above.

##CALL GM

Does this sentence taken from the doc make any sense?

"The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that they were swapped."

As written, it does sound like it is claiming the swapper won't get a PM, but that directly contradicts the next line in the doc that describes the PM the swapper will get.

If I had to guess, it should be: "The players targeted will not be informed that they were swapped".

##GM Note:

The full role PM reads:

Drive: choose two non-self targets. You will visit both of them. Any other subsequent actions targeting one of your targets will target the other instead. The players targeting the swapped targets will not be informed that they were swapped.

The final sentence is in reference to anyone targeting potentially swapped players. Note that it doesn't matter regardless as per the PM sections of the role, the only person receiving any notification of a drive is the person who performs the Drive.

As a more general matter, All possible receivable PMs have been listed under each role since pre-game for clarity.

[President Eden]

##unend
is there a world where Bona is navigator, comes back, sees bot vote count stacked heavily against Fox really early, can be seen lurking the thread a few times yesterday evening, and somehow doesn’t know what is happening and doesn’t cc?

I realize this is a very specific fact pattern but I also don’t see harm in asking

sorry to spam but I don’t want this lost amidst the other discussion

[brainbomb]

The obvious answer?

That is, you think it is more likely than not, that Dousing is scum and was switched with Foxcastle, who is innocent?

No. Not even remotely at all. The two topics are totally not related.
Everyone keeps reading my post thinking im saying fox and dousing were swapped by driver, and thats not even at all anything close to what im saying.

What I am actually surmising is that the LIKELIEST person to have been driver targeted is dousing, and its true for both alignments wrt dousing.

Ok so, you think Dousing was driver-swapped with someone other than Foxcastle.

Presumably this would have had no effect, then?

Nobody is claiming any actions relating to Dousing and Dousing is not claiming anything happened to him.

Do you still require these questions to be answered? Or do you rescind any of these

[Chaqa]

##GM Note:
Remember: Every role says explicitly what PMs can be received and when.

If the document does not say a PM is received for something, it isn't.

[sweetandcool]

##CALL GM

Sorry, I had that straight before and then got confused. I blame brainbomb's powers of befuddlement.

Thank you for your patience.

[brainbomb]

What???

Are we seriously saying this is my fualt? Im not the one who even had any confusion- Jamie is the one who seemed to not get it.

I stated ive never once seen a version of driver that did what JAMIE was suggesting

[damo666]

##unend
is there a world where Bona is navigator, comes back, sees bot vote count stacked heavily against Fox really early, can be seen lurking the thread a few times yesterday evening, and somehow doesn’t know what is happening and doesn’t cc?

I realize this is a very specific fact pattern but I also don’t see harm in asking

sorry to spam but I don’t want this lost amidst the other discussion

He won't be back he said.

[Jamiet99uk]

No. Not even remotely at all. The two topics are totally not related.
Everyone keeps reading my post thinking im saying fox and dousing were swapped by driver, and thats not even at all anything close to what im saying.

What I am actually surmising is that the LIKELIEST person to have been driver targeted is dousing, and its true for both alignments wrt dousing.

Ok so, you think Dousing was driver-swapped with someone other than Foxcastle.

Presumably this would have had no effect, then?

Nobody is claiming any actions relating to Dousing and Dousing is not claiming anything happened to him.

Do you still require these questions to be answered? Or do you rescind any of these

Well you've stated you don't think any of it actually matters.

My new question is, why did you start posting about it if you think it had no effect and does not matter? (But you're free not to answer that if this is all just a waste of both our times).

[Jamiet99uk]

What???

Are we seriously saying this is my fualt? Im not the one who even had any confusion- Jamie is the one who seemed to not get it.

I stated ive never once seen a version of driver that did what JAMIE was suggesting

What??

I was asking you to clarify your theory!!!

[damo666]

Three more enders required.

[Jamiet99uk]

To be entirely clear:

I was not presenting any theories about what a Driver may or may not have done to Dousing or Foxcastle or anyone else.

I was not suggesting that the actions of a Driver had, or had not, had any impact on what we currently know.

Brainbomb suggested a theory relating to Dousing being driven, the point of which was not entirely clear to me, and I made several attempts to get him to clarify it.

That is all.