M80 Game Thread

[President Eden]

and what would a naughty pirate conclude

Are you a naughty pirate? You tell us.

well I am all about that booty

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h1zGqRXZlnY

[President Eden]

idk if brain’s cc is legit, but i don’t want to accidentally prompt an unnecessary EON cc that would make d2 a shitstorm

so getting out in front of it now

[Jamiet99uk]

A very cynical pirate could conclude that Ghug and Eden wanted it to look like Eden had remained a viable wagon closer to EoD than was actually the case, to buy some kind of credibility for President Eden later on.

This is especially interesting given President Eden made a hard PR claim that has been counterclaimed.

oh right

I retract my hardclaim

thanks for the reminder

That's not how hard claims work.

[President Eden]

A very cynical pirate could conclude that Ghug and Eden wanted it to look like Eden had remained a viable wagon closer to EoD than was actually the case, to buy some kind of credibility for President Eden later on.

This is especially interesting given President Eden made a hard PR claim that has been counterclaimed.

oh right

I retract my hardclaim

thanks for the reminder

That's not how hard claims work.

says you

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you a naughty pirate? You tell us.

well I am all about that booty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkB3F4-NI8A

I love the music of Ringo Starr.

[Jamiet99uk]

oh right

I am lying scum

thanks for the reminder

That's not how hard claims work.

says you

The whole point of a hard claim is that you cannot retract it.

[President Eden]

That's not how hard claims work.

says you

The whole point of a hard claim is that you cannot retract it.

well I just did, sucka

checkm8 m8e

[sweetandcool]

oh right

I retract my hardclaim

thanks for the reminder

That's not how hard claims work.

says you

Would you like to explain why you made the claim in the first place? I'm inclined to believe neither you nor Brainbomb made real claims.

I think you of all people know that claims are taken very seriously. D1 is not so serious, but even then it's hard to just say that you were joking, especially when you made the claim EoD.

[Jamiet99uk]

says you

The whole point of a hard claim is that you cannot retract it.

well I just did, sucka

checkm8 m8e

You will be an interesting wagon tomorrow.

[President Eden]

That's not how hard claims work.

says you

Would you like to explain why you made the claim in the first place? I'm inclined to believe neither you nor Brainbomb made real claims.

I think you of all people know that claims are taken very seriously. D1 is not so serious, but even then it's hard to just say that you were joking, especially when you made the claim EoD.

i thought bozo was scum and decided to engage in shenanigans i learned from bona and ghug to make people panic and vote my desired target

but i didnt wanna die myself so i picked the shittiest town role (seriously have you read this thing lmao it sucks) to claim and then forgot to retract before i fell asleep because i’m a gamer

[sweetandcool]

says you

Would you like to explain why you made the claim in the first place? I'm inclined to believe neither you nor Brainbomb made real claims.

I think you of all people know that claims are taken very seriously. D1 is not so serious, but even then it's hard to just say that you were joking, especially when you made the claim EoD.

i thought bozo was scum and decided to engage in shenanigans i learned from bona and ghug to make people panic and vote my desired target

but i didnt wanna die myself so i picked the shittiest town role (seriously have you read this thing lmao it sucks) to claim and then forgot to retract before i fell asleep because i’m a gamer

Hah, yeah I remember thinking Quartermaster was crap and hoped I didn't roll it.

Still, I think it would negatively affect you regardless of time of retraction. I recall last game where you didn't follow a plan and were finally cut down for it. I suspect the same people take role-claims just as seriously.

I didn't take your claim seriously, and I could tell the voting + roleclaims were meant to cause confusion.

When you made your claim (and it was a hardclaim, why not just claim without saying that?), you were at 5 votes, Bozo at 4 votes, Dousing at 4 votes.

Dousing's votes were on the ascendant, and I think the general feel was Bozo was going to go. Nobody seemed to have a serious bone to pick with you, whereas several people seemed to be coming around to voting Bozo.

Given the nature of D1, I actually don't think you were in much danger, and your voting confusion would have been enough to 'save' you, if that was necessary.

Furthermore, you know the point of the game is not to stay alive, but to beat Mafia. So what were the consequences of your voting confusion and your fake claim?

1. You survived (though in my opinion you weren't in much danger).
2. You made people a little suspicious and annoyed at you for your confusion votes (although I've seen that before, and don't hold it against you).
3. You made yourself super suspicious by making an unnecessary fake claim.

Now, many people are going to want to flip you. Congrats, you survived D1 only to die D2 from sheer stupidity.

[sweetandcool]

Conclusion: I'm pissed that you claimed, because if you are town, then we are going to waste D2 voting you. I don't see it going any other way.

Why did you have to mess this up?!

[Jamiet99uk]

says you

Would you like to explain why you made the claim in the first place? I'm inclined to believe neither you nor Brainbomb made real claims.

I think you of all people know that claims are taken very seriously. D1 is not so serious, but even then it's hard to just say that you were joking, especially when you made the claim EoD.

i thought bozo was scum and decided to engage in shenanigans i learned from bona and ghug to make people panic and vote my desired target

but i didnt wanna die myself so i picked the shittiest town role (seriously have you read this thing lmao it sucks) to claim and then forgot to retract before i fell asleep because i’m a gamer

[ghug]

Now here is some more.

Foxcastle Observation, #2.

This concerns Foxcastle's behaviour in regard to BunnyGo's gambit to keep silent for a significant part of D1.

Here we go:

Bunnygo, why are you liking posts but not posting?

##VOTE BUNNYGO

Bunnygo liking posts but not posting is making me irrationally angry.

~strategy~?

BunnyGo liked this post but still hasn't posted anything.

I think I townread him for it because this is the obvious reaction though.

I haven't been around for it, but I gather that Bunny thinks he's been overly targeted for the D1 kill, and if that's the case, then yeah, I could see him doing this. I think it's bizarre and unhelpful, but I can see it...

##Vote BunnyGo

Shiver me timbers, this performative silence while +1-ing has gone on long enough.

I keep going back and forth on whether I think Bunny would do this as scum.

##CALL GM

Would non-posting, but hiting +1 lots of times, and then making a naked vote with no other posts, meet the requirement for "active participation" in the rules?

My guess is that this will all be moot and Bunny will make a grand entrance after making us all wait.

I don't want to vote Bunnygo anymore because I do think he's pulling a bit and will show up and post.

So, BunnyGo, when are you going to reveal yourself finally?

+1 this post if you plan on posting before midnight tonight.

[IN BETWEEN THESE POSTS, the BUNNY / WORCEJ INTERACTION OCCURRED WHERE BUNNY'S QUESTIONS CAUSED* WORCEJ TO CLAIM]

I'm not inclined to think Bunny is scum for this (as others pointed out, much better for scum-bunny to keep it quiet and get an easy PR kill). On the other hand, I could see town-Bunny wanting to prove himself by catching scum so badly that he doesn't stop to think about other possibilities.

(I also think there's something like a 10% chance that worcej is scum and faking it here. The fact that he's blown up and claimed PR in similar situations is what makes me think he's town, but it's also the case that he knows this and could try to fake it. WIFOM. But I'm only going to seriously entertain this if he's still around on like Day 4 or something.)

Moving my vote to ##VOTE BONA. Someone once said that only scum joke about being scum.

Analysis:

Foxcastle talked about BunnyGo's silent +1 gambit a lot.

To begin with, it aggravated him. He voted BunnyGo (I would go on to do the same a bit later).

As time went on, he softened his feelings and said he didn't want to vote for BunnyGo after all as he assumed Bunny would show up. He didn't actually move his vote for a long time, however.

Here's something interesting looking at the above posts, and factoring in the timing:

- On page 51, Foxcastle said "I don't want to vote BunnyGo anymore" (because he assumed Bunny would show up).
- On page 58, over 3 hours later, he asked BunnyGo "when are you going to reveal yourself" ? (At that time, there were just two votes on BunnyGo).
- On page 74, over 14 hours later, Foxcastle moved his vote to Bonatogether. (At that time, BunnyGo was tied for the lead with Bona, and Foxcastle vote put Bona into a 5-3 lead over Bunny).

This would be somewhat suspicious if BunnyGo was scum, perhaps. What do people think?

Foxcastle, Bunny, any comment?

*For a given value of "caused".

Why would this be suspicious if BunnyGo were scum?

[sweetandcool]

Anyways, despite my super negative tone, I will see who gets the NK, and will analyze from there. But your actions have consequences, President Eden, and you've jumped to my top 2 votes.

I will analyze, and I will give you some benefit of the doubt, but it won't be enough to save you if you are Mafia.

[ghug]

A very cynical pirate could conclude that Ghug and Eden wanted it to look like Eden had remained a viable wagon closer to EoD than was actually the case, to buy some kind of credibility for President Eden later on.

This is especially interesting given President Eden made a hard PR claim that has been counterclaimed.

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[ghug]

A very cynical pirate could conclude that Ghug and Eden wanted it to look like Eden had remained a viable wagon closer to EoD than was actually the case, to buy some kind of credibility for President Eden later on.

This is especially interesting given President Eden made a hard PR claim that has been counterclaimed.

oh right

I retract my hardclaim

thanks for the reminder

B b but you can't retract it is it's hard!

[ghug]

says you

Would you like to explain why you made the claim in the first place? I'm inclined to believe neither you nor Brainbomb made real claims.

I think you of all people know that claims are taken very seriously. D1 is not so serious, but even then it's hard to just say that you were joking, especially when you made the claim EoD.

i thought bozo was scum and decided to engage in shenanigans i learned from bona and ghug to make people panic and vote my desired target

but i didnt wanna die myself so i picked the shittiest town role (seriously have you read this thing lmao it sucks) to claim and then forgot to retract before i fell asleep because i’m a gamer

I've never fakeclaimed PR to save myself as town.

[Haze with a Z]

sup yall

[President Eden]

A very cynical pirate could conclude that Ghug and Eden wanted it to look like Eden had remained a viable wagon closer to EoD than was actually the case, to buy some kind of credibility for President Eden later on.

This is especially interesting given President Eden made a hard PR claim that has been counterclaimed.

oh right

I retract my hardclaim

thanks for the reminder

B b but you can't retract it is it's hard!