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[sweetandcool]

Question: If the delayer's target attempts an action, and then gets killed during the subsequent day, does their delayed action get cancelled?

[Chaqa]

Question: If the delayer's target attempts an action, and then gets killed during the subsequent day, does their delayed action get cancelled?

Hah! Interesting one. I'm open to discussion on how we feel it should behave.

Personally, I think it'd be spooky and neat if it could still happen. Their ghost, maybe.

[sweetandcool]

Question: If the delayer's target attempts an action, and then gets killed during the subsequent day, does their delayed action get cancelled?

Hah! Interesting one. I'm open to discussion on how we feel it should behave.

Personally, I think it'd be spooky and neat if it could still happen. Their ghost, maybe.

Logically it should be cancelled. But I agree it could be fun to allow. Like a pirate's curse of some sort.

[Kakarroto]

I'd be all for the spooky ghost doing the action.

Also, the text for the Vote Doubler seems to be partially copied and pasted from the Vote Remover, the first part says that the vote is removed and doesn't count. You might want to proofread it.



But that leads me to another question: if someone is targeted by both the Doubler and the Remover, does the target have no vote (mathematical rule, multiply by zero) or does it just negate each other (+1 -1)?

(I'm pretty sure the 'negate each other' is correct, but it doesn't hurt to ask beforehand to be sure.)

[Chaqa]

I'd be all for the spooky ghost doing the action.

Also, the text for the Vote Doubler seems to be partially copied and pasted from the Vote Remover, the first part says that the vote is removed and doesn't count. You might want to proofread it.



But that leads me to another question: if someone is targeted by both the Doubler and the Remover, does the target have no vote (mathematical rule, multiply by zero) or does it just negate each other (+1 -1)?

(I'm pretty sure the 'negate each other' is correct, but it doesn't hurt to ask beforehand to be sure.)

I think based on the wording it would always count as zero but I’m open to them canceling out as a balance mechanism. If no one has major objections I’ll codify that and the Spooky Delayer rule before game start

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.

[damo666]

What happens if a delayed suicide bomber is day killed on the day of delay?

[damo666]

What happens if a delayed suicide bomber is day killed on the day of delay?

Or the delay target is daykilled in general.

[Kakarroto]

I'd be all for the spooky ghost doing the action.

Also, the text for the Vote Doubler seems to be partially copied and pasted from the Vote Remover, the first part says that the vote is removed and doesn't count. You might want to proofread it.



But that leads me to another question: if someone is targeted by both the Doubler and the Remover, does the target have no vote (mathematical rule, multiply by zero) or does it just negate each other (+1 -1)?

(I'm pretty sure the 'negate each other' is correct, but it doesn't hurt to ask beforehand to be sure.)

I think based on the wording it would always count as zero but I’m open to them canceling out as a balance mechanism. If no one has major objections I’ll codify that and the Spooky Delayer rule before game start

personally I would slightly prefer it to cancel out, but it is your game set up so if you think it should fully cancel, I'm not against it, just want to know it before hand. It IS mathematically correct if you multiply something by zero that it is still zero. So yeah, I fully support your choice there.

[Kakarroto]

What happens if a delayed suicide bomber is day killed on the day of delay?

the spooky ghost kills someone and their essence is destroyed and thus removed from the discord server for M80 forever?

Just a guess, though.

[Chaqa]

##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.

If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol

[Chaqa]

So, here's where I'm at on the current discussions:
1. Vote Doubler and Vote Remover targeting the same one, I think I will have them cancel out instead of causing it to always be 0. It feels more fair.

2. The Delayer delaying someone's action, and that player dying on the subsequent day, or being jailed/roleblocked on the subsequent night, will not stop the delayed person's action from taking place. There's only a few actions this will get weird with, so we're going to chalk it up to Pirate Ghosts.

I'll leave this open to discussion until an hour or so before game start when I do role PMs. It will be finalized/clarified then.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.

If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol

These are weird and somewhat counter-intuitive mechanics.

[Jamiet99uk]

So, here's where I'm at on the current discussions:
1. Vote Doubler and Vote Remover targeting the same one, I think I will have them cancel out instead of causing it to always be 0. It feels more fair.

2. The Delayer delaying someone's action, and that player dying on the subsequent day, or being jailed/roleblocked on the subsequent night, will not stop the delayed person's action from taking place. There's only a few actions this will get weird with, so we're going to chalk it up to Pirate Ghosts.

I'll leave this open to discussion until an hour or so before game start when I do role PMs. It will be finalized/clarified then.

For 1, just tweak the wording so that one power adds +1 vote, and one subtracts 1 vote.

[Chaqa]

##CALL GM

If a PR is targeted by a "Delayer" action on N1 while attempting to perform an action, and is then Jailed on N2, then presumably their action does not occur on N2.

Correct?

If the answer is "correct" then I would submit that the same adjudication should apply if the target is Delayed on N1 and then dies during D2 - i.e. the action should fail.

If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol

These are weird and somewhat counter-intuitive mechanics.

Perhaps it would clear things up to update it to delay receiving the RESULT for one day, instead?

[damo666]

So, here's where I'm at on the current discussions:
1. Vote Doubler and Vote Remover targeting the same one, I think I will have them cancel out instead of causing it to always be 0. It feels more fair.

2. The Delayer delaying someone's action, and that player dying on the subsequent day, or being jailed/roleblocked on the subsequent night, will not stop the delayed person's action from taking place. There's only a few actions this will get weird with, so we're going to chalk it up to Pirate Ghosts.

I'll leave this open to discussion until an hour or so before game start when I do role PMs. It will be finalized/clarified then.

For 1, just tweak the wording so that one power adds +1 vote, and one subtracts 1 vote.

Makes sense

[damo666]

If a player was delayed on N1 and jailed on N2, any action they attempted to take on N2 would be jailed, but their N1 action would still happen via delay.

I think we just codify it's a spooky ghost doing it and don't think too much about the logic of it lol

These are weird and somewhat counter-intuitive mechanics.

Perhaps it would clear things up to update it to delay receiving the RESULT for one day, instead?

Yeah

[Jamiet99uk]

Spoopy pirate goats

[Foxcastle]

Spoopy pirate goats

[Foxcastle]

When the edit button reappeared, I assume some message was sent—maybe by the Council, maybe to the Council—asking what changed and hopefully suggesting a reversion to the status quo for the games subforum, since it's important to Mafia games.

So does anyone know what's up with the edit button, and can it be made to go away again?