MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[Chaqa]

Ooh shit I forgot we changed the standstill rule.

Scum have to shoot don’t they?

No kill is just correct here

Why is no-kill correct? I am utterly confused.

Right now we're 5 town to 3 scum.

So if we vote no kill, they have to kill someone town, so we narrow down our pool.

Though probably they just shoot me...

[President Eden]

Ooh shit I forgot we changed the standstill rule.

Scum have to shoot don’t they?

No kill is just correct here

Why is no-kill correct? I am utterly confused.

Right now we're 5 town to 3 scum.

So if we vote no kill, they have to kill someone town, so we narrow down our pool.

Though probably they just shoot me...

If only we had a Bodyguard!

[sweetandcool]

Ooh shit I forgot we changed the standstill rule.

Scum have to shoot don’t they?

No kill is just correct here

Why is no-kill correct? I am utterly confused.

Right now we're 5 town to 3 scum.

So if we vote no kill, they have to kill someone town, so we narrow down our pool.

Though probably they just shoot me...

If I wasn't so certain of Eden, I would say it's a good idea.

Why would they shoot you? Because you are the last strongly town read player after Dousing?

[Chaqa]

Damo is mafia either way isn't he?

If eden is town, damo is lying

If eden is scum, it would be best to create a quasi-clear who's hyper-fixated on him, but have it be his teammate

[Chaqa]

Why is no-kill correct? I am utterly confused.

Right now we're 5 town to 3 scum.

So if we vote no kill, they have to kill someone town, so we narrow down our pool.

Though probably they just shoot me...

If I wasn't so certain of Eden, I would say it's a good idea.

Why would they shoot you? Because you are the last strongly town read player after Dousing?

Yeah. I mean, they could shoot one of the PR claimants, but that's a bit wacky.

We really fucked up with the tie yesterday. Literally any other option was better.

[sweetandcool]

Damo is mafia either way isn't he?

If eden is town, damo is lying

If eden is scum, it would be best to create a quasi-clear who's hyper-fixated on him, but have it be his teammate

No. If Eden is Mafia, he can implicate as much of town as possible (or yes, quasi clear them).

Clearly if Eden is Mafia, they first tried to implicate Bona. Now Eden is doing the same thing with Damo (or possibly implicating Bona and quasi-clear damo).

I don't see how you can conclude damo is Mafia, either way.

[dargorygel]

##GM CALL

Sorry for the questions, but can you explain the mechanics of the one shot drive that JOAT has? I swear it isn't explained anywhere in the rules or the link.

##GM Note: The Driver targets two players, A and B, after which any action directed at Player A will instead be targeted at Player B, and vice versa. The players are not notified they have been driven.

##CallGM: would the tracker follow a driver to both targets? And would a tracker follow someone else onto their new target if their target was driven?

No... and no.

[Chaqa]

There just isn't a feasible way Bona saw Eden visit Sweet unless somehow Sweet was driven with Damo, and if the mafia were going to drive, they wouldn't do that drive as far as I can tell.

[Chaqa]

##GM Note: The Driver targets two players, A and B, after which any action directed at Player A will instead be targeted at Player B, and vice versa. The players are not notified they have been driven.

##CallGM: would the tracker follow a driver to both targets? And would a tracker follow someone else onto their new target if their target was driven?

No... and no.

##CallGM:
If Tracker Player A trackes Player B
and Player B is the Driver driving Players C and D

What would Tracker Player A see?

[Chaqa]

Now I'm left wondering if Bona just never got his roleblock PM.

[dargorygel]

##CallGM: would the tracker follow a driver to both targets? And would a tracker follow someone else onto their new target if their target was driven?

No... and no.

##CallGM:
If Tracker Player A trackes Player B
and Player B is the Driver driving Players C and D

What would Tracker Player A see?

The tracker would then follow the driver to both targets. So the tracker, in that situation, would see B drive C and D.

[damo666]

There just isn't a feasible way Bona saw Eden visit Sweet unless somehow Sweet was driven with Damo, and if the mafia were going to drive, they wouldn't do that drive as far as I can tell.

But then Bona would have said he tracked me but was diverted to Sweet. He wouldn't have left out that would he? So I definitely wasn't driven with Sweet.

[sweetandcool]

What do you mean? I think I acknowledged to Dousing at one point that I thought going for the kill was the cool play but just tactically unsound.

That was before we no killed and made the “cool” play actually have upside.

And then as I sat on pins and needles in the final hour of N3 waiting for Dousing and thinking things over, and seeing next to no discussion at all, I felt like I needed to go for the aggressive line.

Obviously having missed on the vote I regret it, but I don’t think the reasoning was internally flawed or anything.

I will admit that I thought more people would at least get it even if they hate it, but I guess when the whole scumteam is almost immediately there to jump on me, it’s easy to get swept up in the emotion and bandwagon the asshole who tried to be a hero.

Honestly, I'm a bit confused as to why town is taking your decision so hard. Obviously, deviating from the plan is bad, but since Dousing never showed up, you had to choose somebody.

Some alien thinking I will have to study and try to understand for future reference

Can’t say you struck me as the gloating type lol. Fair enough…

It's comments like these that make me realize I was way too harsh on Koala. There have been several times during the game where I make an honest statement and then the worst is assumed.

I will have to keep that in mind for next game. If you are reading this, sorry Koala!

[damo666]

There just isn't a feasible way Bona saw Eden visit Sweet unless somehow Sweet was driven with Damo, and if the mafia were going to drive, they wouldn't do that drive as far as I can tell.

But then Bona would have said he tracked me but was diverted to Sweet. He wouldn't have left out that would he? So I definitely wasn't driven with Sweet.

Hold that. That's wrong lol.

[damo666]

There just isn't a feasible way Bona saw Eden visit Sweet unless somehow Sweet was driven with Damo, and if the mafia were going to drive, they wouldn't do that drive as far as I can tell.

But then Bona would have said he tracked me but was diverted to Sweet. He wouldn't have left out that would he? So I definitely wasn't driven with Sweet.

Hold that. That's wrong lol.

Sorry Chaqa you're right. Eden could have targeted me and diverted to Sweet if we were driven but given Dousing died and Sweet claimed to guard him that's impossible. Either Sweet is lying or was driven.

[President Eden]

For sweet to be telling the truth, mafia used their bus drive last phase to thwart sweet's save of Dousing, and they no longer have it available.

Otherwise sweet is not the Bodyguard.

Is there any reason we can't just have us target the same person? If that person dies then sweet is scum. If sweet dies, that person is town AND they can finally confirm me.

[President Eden]

In the meantime we would no kill.

##VOTE no kill

[President Eden]

Never mind there's a Strongman with the JOAT too.

[sweetandcool]

Never mind there's a Strongman with the JOAT too.

Exactly. So confused why everyone isn't assuming a Strongman wasn't involved.

[President Eden]

Yeah I'm lost.

Numbers say no kill good. But not knowing what the mafia has makes it hard to judge that for certain.

We can't even really test things because in the world where sweet is somehow town, there's certainly a JOAT and we have no way of knowing it can't fuck with us.