MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[Bonatogether]

Too many conclusions in that last post, so we'll make the final conclusion a call to action for the players:

Calls to action: Vote Bonatogether to save me a headache. Vote Fox for being the best candidate for Mafia Traitor. Vote Jamiet because they might be a dumb Mafia Goon jumping on the Koala bandwagon. Or vote damo because they seem too trustworthy.

@s&c what do you think was the mafia strategy going into d1? who were they trying to shut down? who were they angling to kill?

[Bonatogether]

Board game arena. The game is Werewolves. I swear they were about half an hour games, but idk could be longer. It was realtime and I played on a laggy phone. The only slang they used that I've also seen here is "sus".

how was playstyle like?

Honestly I'm not sure how to answer this and got to go right now.

Mainly they liked voting newbs out D1 and they loved role claiming. I quickly deduced that roleclaiming is a bad idea.

ok, understandable

for when you get back: what lessons did you learn from that platform did you applied here?

[Bonatogether]

ok that's like ungrammatical but understandable

whatever

[Bonatogether]

Not enough information to conclude anything about Ghug. Just the suspicious #210 post. Why would a townie vote for Koala?

So if I'm forced to decide scum/not scum, I guess more likely to be scum.

interesting

respectable post

[Bonatogether]

On a more serious post, I am not liking Jamiet this game.
Neither Fox.

Nobody is obviously town which is concerning.

Any tips for revealing oneself as town? Is there a way to be obviously town?

I generally think the more someone seems like town, the more they are suspiciously like town, just like a goon would like to appear.

saying the townie paranoia is not being the townie paranoia

we'll see if that comes back up again later

[Bonatogether]

if it doesn't i'll probably forget about it lol

@to whoever reads this: can you remind me

[Bonatogether]

Conspiracy theory time:

I think people are getting too comfy with Koala. Koala's play seems bizarre, and they really committed to it, voting for themself. I think at its peak there were 4 votes total for Koala. And then damo comes in and tells Koala to knock it off.

What if damo and Koala are mafia? And damo let the trust building exercise last for a while, and then tells his pal, Koala, to back out. Nobody thinks anything of it because Koala's play was ridiculous and instead of arbitrarily backing out, someone (damo) helped them save face and get off scot free.

Now most people seem to have a favourable opinion of Koala, thinking they are most likely Townie. Mission accomplished if my conspiracy theory were true.

[Bonatogether]

GM just said they were busy, and provided a nice picture showing vote history.

But since you can't read, here you go:

3 votes for Jamiet: ghug, President Eden, Koala.
3 votes for bona: damo, snow, sweetandcool.
1 vote for koala: Dousing.
1 vote for ghug: Chaqa.

I know you were just listing a vote count from the picture, but do you remember Bonatogether removing his vote for you?

No, I don't remember an unvote from Bonatogether. To be fair, I didn't catch a few of those votes from the picture. I just assumed some of them were actually PMed to the GM.

I still haven't sent my vote to the GM. I really want to vote Bon for the reason previously stated, but my gut is telling me for game reasons I should vote Fox. I'm hoping someone comes along and convinces me one way or the other

pming things to the gm seems like it could be a slip

[Bonatogether]

Last time I am changing my vote, promise!

So far the most suspicious individual has been Fox. They respond to all but my most informative post (Post #342), and are actively trying to discredit me (Post #419, Post #420, Post #441). When Mafia gets accused of being mafia, the classic technique is to cause confusion and discredit the player making the most sense.

I labelled my post as a conspiracy theory because it's a conspiracy, something to think about, not something to take super seriously without further evidence. I posted it simply because people were getting too comfy with Koala when Koala hasn't done anything to earn trust (at the very least, they were being purely random, as they declared).

As for my call to action, anybody can read the list and if they agree with any of the opinions then I was encouraging them to make the corresponding vote. Since it's D1, it's not like there is an incredible reason to get rid of someone, so I am working with what I got, and Foxcastle has managed to be the most suspicious person so far.

##Vote Foxcastle

using the skills from whatever the other place was to make an actual insight

shoots down their own theory by saying it shouldn't be taken seriously

[Bonatogether]

Oh, I don't know, making a third vote makes me feel a little wishy-washy. I meant to convey clarity and certainty. I've been very torn on the vote, but seeing today's posts, I've finally felt confident in voting for Fox.

It's weird that you wouldn't be wishy-washy. It's day 1, we're barely out of the shitpost phase, and there's basically no real information. You shouldn't have any clarity or certainty at this point.

I agree. That's why I would rather avoid changing my mind willy-nilly. Spew out tons of different votes is confusing.

Thanks for posting peterbot! I guess I have the most words/char/ w/post.

i have the most Ws per post

[Bonatogether]

I agree. That's why I would rather avoid changing my mind willy-nilly. Spew out tons of different votes is confusing.

People aren't going to just look back at your votes. They're going to look at all the various theories you've thrown out, too. That's the point of the Peterbot.

I just don't get the weird mix of confidence + hedging that I pick up from you, and that's what makes me suspect you.

I think you are overestimating my confidence. In the first day, I normally don't like to vote, for not only roleplaying purposes but because there generally is no way to make an educated guess.

It's just that for once somebody has behaved in a way that is suspicious enough that a vote for them is at least reasonable, relative to day one uncertainty.

I feel like you tried to communicate as a mafia traitor, and your behavior since then has done nothing to dissuade that opinion.

thinking around roles and how they'd act

the 'for once' catches me and i don't like it

[Bonatogether]

I don't get Fox's progression on s&c here, I actually have the opposite. s&c started wanting to no kill which is a classic newbie town trap, then elected on a pseudo-random vote once informed of the trap, then gradually developed a read rooted in in-game reasons which grew in confidence throughout the day. that's exactly how newer townies play when they start grasping things.

if s&c is mafia steering things then they had a remarkable personality shift in a short time, because s&c's start was anything but steering a kill

that doesn't make Fox suspicious per se, people can be wrong, but I'm not moved by Fox's later framing of s&c as scum-indicative "confidence + hedging." kind of feels like Fox needed to latch onto a read and landed on s&c

##vote Foxcastle

perfectly ok with Bona wagon though.
Chaqa wagon remains both dumb and reasonable
sweetandcool wagon is bad

Strongly disagree that it's a newbie town trap. When I was newbie scum, I used it, for example. It's an easy way for newbie scum to push (what they think is) a pro-town position without having to risk sticking their neck out on another player.

"Steering" might be too strong. But there's a lot of pointing fingers without a lot of basis for doing so this early in the game.

Also, why do I need a read to latch on to? If I'm scum, I'm can just say the vibe is off or something.

I do agree that me pushing a pro-town position is a point of suspicion against me. Despite being a new player, I am still clever. If I was mafia, I would definitely be coasting D1. Pointing fingers is pretty risky.

meta thinking is scummy

[Bonatogether]

No sarcasm. I like to throw in emojis and make it pretty clear when I'm sarcastic.

I was trying to agree with a point you made without having to type your statement out in full. If you feel my summary in my first line was inaccurate and a twist of your words then I apologize, that was not my intention.

I find it interesting that you keep harping on my status as a newbie. If your definition of new is absolutely never playing a game of Mafia, then you are correct that I am not new. Am I experienced? Certainly not. I've played a few games on BGA, but as the new player, I was frequently voted off D1.

being mad is towny but this does not hit the 'i'm really mad' tone but it's like on the range

[Bonatogether]

OMG the magic of the Peterbot is back!

Hooray thank you Peter! What are those elder god people who gave Gandalf their powers called again? Google tells me Valar. Anywho you are one of those, a Valar!


With my newly-resurrected Wizardry powers, I shall

##VOTE sweetandcool


because this is a confession of knowing how to play Mafia coupled with alleged incredulity of "why are people fixated on my supposed newness?":

I find it interesting that you keep harping on my status as a newbie. If your definition of new is absolutely never playing a game of Mafia, then you are correct that I am not new. Am I experienced? Certainly not. I've played a few games on BGA, but as the new player, I was frequently voted off D1.

which would be all fine and well, except for these:


(1) sweetandcool from the Sign Up thread:

What is "sus"? Did you mean "SOS"?

And will there be a new thread tomorrow for chat? Just want to make sure I'm not missing a Discord, a QT, or something else.


(2)

Howdy all! So are we just waiting for somebody to die? Is it the day right now? What type of town do we live in? A nice country village, big city, campground, etc? I imagine if we are dealing with some mafia goons then we are probably in the big city.

(3)

I really don't know the slang; this is my first time playing with y'all. It's frustrating not understanding what you are saying.

So to summarize:

- sweetandcool played Mafia before
- sweetandcool seems like a very smart and capable person given the general language & logic of their posts
- sweetandcool is clearly willing to pun in the effort to post so many responses
- I am sure sweetandcool is familiar with Google to find the MafiaScum website (which I successfully did back during my first game, for instance)

- this leads me to conclude that sweetandcool is intentionally singing the song "oh I'm so new, I really have no clue"
- seems like a familiar strategy...
- oh wait, that's exactly what MafiaKoala did that one game rdrivera referred to!

- and then is it really surprising folks fixate on your supposed newness after all of the above you posted?
- hmmm....

Suspicious!

PS: I would have not voted for a genuinely new player on D1 regardless (paying forward the karma and all that) – but I don't feel that someone merely new to this site but not the game warrants similar protections, sorry mate!

I am really unfamiliar with the slang used here. I also generally hate slang. I'll confess to knowing what "sus" means, but it doesn't change my distaste for it. I didn't know where to search for the proper mafia site, but given that you all keep using the word "scum" (what is with that, by the way?), I suppose I might have been able to find the site. I just found it easier to ask.

That being said, it's refreshing to see an actual argument, even if it is against me.

he's used the word scum before this - so this rings a tad hollow

[President Eden]

it occurs to me that someone (eden?) might shriek that this is just the frankenposting but in a different form

i feel like this is different because this time i'm reading a lot of people and explaining how my views are changing as they go along and it's not a dedicated hit piece to start

the child doth protest too much, methinks

[Bonatogether]

I am really unfamiliar with the slang used here. I also generally hate slang. I'll confess to knowing what "sus" means, but it doesn't change my distaste for it. I didn't know where to search for the proper mafia site, but given that you all keep using the word "scum" (what is with that, by the way?), I suppose I might have been able to find the site. I just found it easier to ask.

That being said, it's refreshing to see an actual argument, even if it is against me.

Hmmm, that's fair enough but this is not a strong defense – feels a bit like backtracking after being called out on it.

There is a difference between disliking the term and not understanding it. Your post in the Sign Up thread was intentionally crafted as "not understanding". Heck, you even asked if it's "SOS" – plus I note a distinct lack of emojis indicating sarcasm according to your own self-tell.

For instance, I agree with you that I personally dislike calling folks "scum" – and you will not find me using the term while referring to others outside of quoting them or referring to the MafiaScum site. But I don't go out and claim that I don't understand what it means, do I?

Anyway, back to work (and lurking) for me – but I'll be back to see if I should change my gut-instinct-magic-vote before EOD and will reconsider.

I realize I've undermined my credibility a bit here. To explain, I have a real-life character flaw where sometimes I act like I am not familiar with something I hate. I hate most slang so not only do I refrain from using it, but in some cases feign ignorance (please note this is a visceral reaction rather than a calculated reaction). The "sus" business is an example of that character flaw. (by the way, I was not being sarcastic, though I was being dishonest). I don't think I've reacted that way since. In other cases I have truly not known slang you all are using since it is vastly different from what I saw on BGA.

Since we are all talking about it, can anyone explain what "based" means? It has been driving me crazy since I see it popping up over the Internet and a Google search just tells me the non-slang definition.

being concerned about cred means you lose some

real ones just tank it

being meta about character flaws is an emotionally mature thing but at the same time this man is playing webdip mafia and not gone insane or pulled a chrisvis so

idk if it's AI

[Bonatogether]

What happens if we tie? Is it a revote involving the tied players? (serious)

Asking because I am NEW.

iterating on newness is something i dislike

[Bonatogether]

it occurs to me that someone (eden?) might shriek that this is just the frankenposting but in a different form

i feel like this is different because this time i'm reading a lot of people and explaining how my views are changing as they go along and it's not a dedicated hit piece to start

the child doth protest too much, methinks

cope harder i forestalled you

[Bonatogether]

Sad to see Fox was vanilla town. Wish they were more convincing ):

interesting thought process

[Bonatogether]

I voted for Damo.

quoting jamie spitting facts here as always