MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[President Eden]

All it takes is the mafia driving and your whole plan is messed up

And it relies on you picking someone who is town

As noted earlier, if s&c is mafia then it’s extremely unlikely the JOAT is in the game. citation needed: The evidence seems to suggest that the Traitor was recruited, so if Dousing and I are the only two PRs, the mafia powers are accounted for.

I also don’t think a bus drive hard counters this as strongly as you think, but I don’t want to discuss that.

And as far as “me” choosing, I think the best version of the plan as discussed by various people is for you all to deliberate about who would be good candidates to be roleblocked—but without me participating so no one can say I tried to steer or rig it—and then Dousing names the target. Obviously, the target being mafia is a potential fail point, but as I’ve noted before, we have to trust some number of people without confirming them anyway, so I don’t see this as additionally risky. Just don’t pick suspicious people… or let them steer the choice.



Long story short, I think your analogy is misguided, and I’m pretty confident this is the best way forward under the circumstances. If I thought s&c were likely to be town then I’d have thunderdomed Bona already and accepted that I’m probably gonna have to be miskilled to win. I like to think, especially as a role that could potentially block the nightkill, that I’m worth not miskilling if it can be avoided.

You were literally the one who brought this up

One thing I was holding back was that my claim was also meant as a potential traitor test. No one made the connection that I could have been signaling to my teammates (Eden and Bona in this world) who I was.

Because of this, I suspect mafia have recruited the traitor to full member.

Discuss.

No one has even discussed the possibility of a Traitor, except that I think I briefly accounted for it in one explanation of the situation (I think to rdr? Don’t quote me on that)

I can’t prove it with hard facts but I think the fact that everyone has just completely ignored the Traitor possibility in the analysis more or less confirms that mafia recruited the Traitor

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't think they would use it without reason. I could see Janitor or Role Cop on Night 1 or 2, but driver? Eh.

We know a Janitor wasn't used.

Can't rule out a Role Cop having been used.

Sorry, how do we know janitor was not used? Is there a special message that indicates it? Or are you just saying that because of the sheer number of town power claims renders it extremely improbable?

If the Janitor power had been used, there would be a dead person whose role was unknown. That's what Janitor does - it is used in conjunction with the night kill, and conceals information that is usually declared by the GM when a person dies.

[Jamiet99uk]

@PE: In Chaqa's defence, he consumes a lot of weird mushrooms.

[sweetandcool]

We know a Janitor wasn't used.

Can't rule out a Role Cop having been used.

Sorry, how do we know janitor was not used? Is there a special message that indicates it? Or are you just saying that because of the sheer number of town power claims renders it extremely improbable?

If the Janitor power had been used, there would be a dead person whose role was unknown. That's what Janitor does - it is used in conjunction with the night kill, and conceals information that is usually declared by the GM when a person dies.

Okay, now I totally understand, thank you so much!

[President Eden]

@PE: In Chaqa's defence, he consumes a lot of weird mushrooms.

Lol. Idk if that’s it this time, I didn’t appreciate how overlooked his comment went. I remember thinking it was smart but I guess I never said anything about it.

Rdr and bozo did talk about it though. And I feel like the general consensus was that Traitor recruit was the strongest option, so it’s not really a huge leap to say that it’s the only power in play, if you think s&c and Bona/me are mafia.

[President Eden]

Wait no it was just rdr.

Am I the one eating weird shrooms?

[Foxcastle]

Counting of Votes (Day 3, Number 4)

sweetandcool (6): Dousing, rdrivera2005, President Eden, damo666, Jamiet99uk, bozotheclown
President Eden (3): Bonatogether, sweetandcool, Chaqa

Bona is voting to end.

Sweetandcool is currently slated for removal in approximately 1 hour and 50 minutes.

[Jamiet99uk]

@PE: In Chaqa's defence, he consumes a lot of weird mushrooms.

Lol. Idk if that’s it this time, I didn’t appreciate how overlooked his comment went. I remember thinking it was smart but I guess I never said anything about it.

Rdr and bozo did talk about it though. And I feel like the general consensus was that Traitor recruit was the strongest option, so it’s not really a huge leap to say that it’s the only power in play, if you think s&c and Bona/me are mafia.

I didn't comment at the time, but on reflection I think it is a theory that has some potential to be true.

The existence of a Traitor is generally seen as negative utility by the Mafia, so opting to recruit the traitor certainly would have some appeal to Mafia teams wanting to neutralise that downside.

[Jamiet99uk]

I will not vote for President Eden this phase.

[Chaqa]

As noted earlier, if s&c is mafia then it’s extremely unlikely the JOAT is in the game. citation needed: The evidence seems to suggest that the Traitor was recruited, so if Dousing and I are the only two PRs, the mafia powers are accounted for.

President Eden has explained why he thinks it is likely a Traitor was recruited, Chaqa.

"Why aren’t you actually reading the thread?" as someone asked me a little while ago.

I feel like I'm keeping up with this one pretty well, but I don't recall him speaking on it too thoroughly

[Chaqa]

Oh yeah I got caught up now, I'm glad I wasn't taking crazy pills lol

I don't know, this just feels like the way to lose to mafia

[President Eden]

President Eden has explained why he thinks it is likely a Traitor was recruited, Chaqa.

"Why aren’t you actually reading the thread?" as someone asked me a little while ago.

I feel like I'm keeping up with this one pretty well, but I don't recall him speaking on it too thoroughly

No, you’re right, I didn’t. I definitely noted your comment and thought I said something, but it might have been when I got up this morning and I just didn’t. Lol

Anyway, I think your observation is right. If nothing else, whether or not we can read into the total lack of discussion of the Traitor, I think most people who weighed in agreed that it was the strongest power, and we definitely have at least one power in play. I think if we only have one, it’s that one.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm now going to watch Columbo while I have a bath.

Back in an hour.

[Jamiet99uk]

President Eden has explained why he thinks it is likely a Traitor was recruited, Chaqa.

"Why aren’t you actually reading the thread?" as someone asked me a little while ago.

I feel like I'm keeping up with this one pretty well, but I don't recall him speaking on it too thoroughly

You don't recall the fact that you originally thought of it yourself?

(Now my bath is ready, back in 59 mins)

[Chaqa]

You said that EDEN had made it clear

[Chaqa]

Anyway, I guess it's better to lose a potential Bodyguard than a potential Tracker.

##Vote Sweet

[bozotheclown]

What if Dousing, Eden, Bona and Sweet&Cool are all telling the truth?

I’m certain one of Eden and Bona is lying.

The more I think about this confirming plan of Eden’s the less I like it. It’s way too prone to mafia manipulation and Eden himself being town.

I think we should start resolving the 50/50.

You can't be certain.

What if the JOAT exists and their driver action caused Eden to roleblock a Mafia Goon, or the Traitor, who wasn't performing an action? They would then refrain from claiming Roleblock, thus appearing to condemn town!bona if Eden is later proved to be telling the truth?'

Bonatogether claimed he tracked PE N1, though.

[bozotheclown]

It's an edge case but the possibility of a Driver action having been in play means that it's possible both Bona and Eden are telling the truth. That makes things even harder.

I am not sure this is a possibility, even if PE and Bonatogether were driven N1, which would not make any sense with a ghug NK.

##CALL GM: If the tracker tracks himself, does he receive a report that he visited himself?

##CALL GM: Is the RB target notified of the RB?

##CALL GM: If the roleblocker roleblocks himself, does he receive a message that he was roleblocked?

[Chaqa]

Did Bona actually claim to track Eden on N1? That doesn't sound right.

[Foxcastle]

It's an edge case but the possibility of a Driver action having been in play means that it's possible both Bona and Eden are telling the truth. That makes things even harder.

I am not sure this is a possibility, even if PE and Bonatogether were driven N1, which would not make any sense with a ghug NK.

##CALL GM: If the tracker tracks himself, does he receive a report that he visited himself?

##CALL GM: Is the RB target notified of the RB?

##CALL GM: If the roleblocker roleblocks himself, does he receive a message that he was roleblocked?

GM Note: We are looking at these questions, but please be patient as it may take us a bit to work through the answers while worcej is unavailable.