MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[Bonatogether]

i think i will take the safe option of us thunderdoming

[Bonatogether]

i dont trust what i dont understand and i know this ends up with you dead either today or tomorrow

[sweetandcool]

there's NO REASON for us to not kill eden or (less optimally) me here

i do not see what the problem is at all

there is no reason not to kill the 99.99% scum between us, sure. that's not in dispute.

what IS in dispute, for the rest of the town, is who it is. I have provided a test that will show who it is beyond a shadow of a doubt, which AFAIK cannot be disrupted without the mafia paying a serious price by allowing Dousing to get another scan.

you keep copping out that you "don't have mech brains" but it's not a complicated situation. I know you're at least capable of logicking through it even if you don't often find yourself spending a lot of time on mechs. I've also presented it very simply and objectively. And I understand you don't trust me, but you should be able to engage with what I'm saying and explain why it won't work, or explain why it shouldn't be done even if it will work.

you won't do this, because you know you need to miskill me today for your team to have a chance to win. there is literally no other answer, because there is no reason this MUST be decided today, from town POV, when there is a foolproof way to figure out the truth and resolve it tomorrow.

in the hypothetical world where you're tracker and I'm scum you should have NO PROBLEM with this arrangement

There is so much wrong with this, but mainly that last statement is where I will focus.

1. Suppose Eden or Bona is scum, doesn't matter.
2. Suppose we DK someone, we'll use me as an example, whatever. I am either Mafia or not.
3. Suppose we follow through with Eden's plan and Mafia doesn't disturb it in any way. In other words, suppose it is foolproof.
3. Suppose Eden's plan deadlocks Eden as RB, or Bona as Tracker.

Result:

1. We KNOW Eden/Bona is Mafia and we KNOW the other is a role.
2. We also lose one more member of town to NK in the meantime.
3. We either have 4 town and 3 mafia or we have 5 town and 2 mafia depending on the accuracy of our DK.
4. We also have a confirmed mafia, so we will then get a correct DK.
5. After voting our correct DK, we will lose one more to NK.
6. When the dust settles we will have either 3 town and 2 mafia or we will have 4 town and 1 mafia (with no clear further suspects, but roles I'm guessing will make clean up easy).

So in one case we are pretty likely to win and in the other I assume there is not much hope.

ALTERNATIVELY:

1. We vote Eden or Bona, 50% chance of getting it right.
2. If we are correct, the remaining is confirmed town role. If we are wrong, the other is confirmed Mafia.
3. NK happens.
4. Same town to mafia ratios as mentioned in the previous scenario. But we don't waste our time on the roleblocking plan.

To be continued.....



Gah, I ran out of time and have to go, but I also wanted to post this case. I will complete it later, but I know the alternative plan is better.

[Chaqa]

Day 2 vote analysis quick hit:

Eden reached his highwater mark with 5 votes of:
- Chaqa
- Dousing
- Jamiet
- Koala
- Snowy

Jamie is the only person on there that may be scum.

The vote shifters were Snowy then Dousing. Then Bozo and RDR.

So if Eden is scum, he's scum with those two more likely than others, but it's not a super strong link.

There's also some Day 1 evidence that makes Bona look linked to S&C, but I'm not sure it's very strong either.

[President Eden]

imma let you cook and all, but what does it say if i’m town? because that’s gonna be more useful

[Bonatogether]

imma let you cook and all, but what does it say if i’m town? because that’s gonna be more useful

then i'm scum and i die and it's whatever

[Bonatogether]

i understand the risks of my idea and i've accepted them as reasonable

i don't know the risk of eden's idea and that's unacceptable

[Chaqa]

I kinda think I’m coming around to team Bona here

[President Eden]

me: I will literally mech confirm myself town.

everyone: no

me:

[Bonatogether]

@eden over/under on how many more times chaqa pingpongs?

[President Eden]

@eden over/under on how many more times chaqa pingpongs?

tree fiddy

[Bonatogether]

@eden over/under on how many more times chaqa pingpongs?

tree fiddy

i'll say under if we're counting by what he actually posts but over if we include things he thinks while stoned but doesn't post

[President Eden]

@eden over/under on how many more times chaqa pingpongs?

tree fiddy

i'll say under if we're counting by what he actually posts but over if we include things he thinks while stoned but doesn't post

what if we killed him instead

[Bonatogether]

tree fiddy

i'll say under if we're counting by what he actually posts but over if we include things he thinks while stoned but doesn't post

what if we killed him instead

only in amongus

[Jamiet99uk]

let me spell this out very simply.

Bona tracks me while I roleblock an agreed upon target.

If the target says I didn’t roleblock them but Bona tracks me to the target, we know the target is mafia.
If the target says I did roleblock them but Bona says I didn’t, Bona is lying.
Anything else and I have to be lying

Agree this plan.

In the meantime, we can kill Chaqa.

vetoed, chaqa is town

Evidence.

Please.

[Jamiet99uk]

gonna have to work out the claim combos in conjuction with vca. Too pissed at mo.

Gut park vote##Bona

inclined to believe Dousing and the Chaqa retraction before deep analysis.

Invalid vote.

[Bonatogether]

Agree this plan.

In the meantime, we can kill Chaqa.

vetoed, chaqa is town

Evidence.

Please.

evidence i feel it in my soul

[Chaqa]

I think I'm at least convinced one of Eden and Bona is scum.

[Bonatogether]

so true

[President Eden]

I think I'm at least convinced one of Eden and Bona is scum.

well it ain't two

and there's a completely insane universe where it's zero

but yea it's one