MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[Bonatogether]

chaqa please let this be one of your things where you're saying the opposite of what you believe

there's no fucking way you flipped on your read of the entire game

[Chaqa]

fuck you

Would you compromise for voting Sweet?

i forget if i townread him or scumread him but in any case eden literally is just scum, so i'm not moving

Why are you purposefully not responding to Eden's very sensible way to prove yourselves to each other and all of us?

[President Eden]

i don't understand

my proposal:

• I roleblock an agreed upon target who is not Dousing
• you track me

show me how this fails to prove that I’m telling the truth and I’ll show you how you’re wrong

i don't trust that we don't roleblock scum
i don't trust someone else will have some other wacky interplay that'll fuck it up and it'll be blamed on chaqa's fantasy driver
i don't trust that town will actually follow through tomorrow at lylo

Okay, so let’s walk through all these.

> roleblock scum

This is a risk, but as I pointed out to rdr just a second ago, I’m sure we can agree on somebody who we’re already basically agreeing needs to be town if we’re ever going to win. If we put it up to a collective vote then at least the target will be selected by town and will probably be the biggest townread outside of Dousing.

> other interplay

AFAIK these are literally all accounted for, but I’ll double check when I get home in a bit.

> failure to followthrough

I mean sure, true, possible, but I kind of doubt that.

[Bonatogether]

Would you compromise for voting Sweet?

i forget if i townread him or scumread him but in any case eden literally is just scum, so i'm not moving

Why are you purposefully not responding to Eden's very sensible way to prove yourselves to each other and all of us?

because i don't believe it works

[Chaqa]

chaqa please let this be one of your things where you're saying the opposite of what you believe

there's no fucking way you flipped on your read of the entire game

The entire point of my fake claim was to sort you two out.

The only part of my game view that changed was Eden, really. I still townread Damo and Bozo and Dousing.

[President Eden]

my proposal:

• I roleblock an agreed upon target who is not Dousing
• you track me

show me how this fails to prove that I’m telling the truth and I’ll show you how you’re wrong

We don't have a clear to make this play work for sure. Plus if you were scum with Bona it won't prove nothing.

They can just do it to me, there's no fucking way it would be all three of us

I don’t hate this, but I think everyone else would shoot this down with the quickness

[Bonatogether]

my proposal:

• I roleblock an agreed upon target who is not Dousing
• you track me

show me how this fails to prove that I’m telling the truth and I’ll show you how you’re wrong

i don't trust that we don't roleblock scum
i don't trust someone else will have some other wacky interplay that'll fuck it up and it'll be blamed on chaqa's fantasy driver
i don't trust that town will actually follow through tomorrow at lylo

Okay, so let’s walk through all these.

> roleblock scum

This is a risk, but as I pointed out to rdr just a second ago, I’m sure we can agree on somebody who we’re already basically agreeing needs to be town if we’re ever going to win. If we put it up to a collective vote then at least the target will be selected by town and will probably be the biggest townread outside of Dousing.

> other interplay

AFAIK these are literally all accounted for, but I’ll double check when I get home in a bit.

> failure to followthrough

I mean sure, true, possible, but I kind of doubt that.

who do you propose is voted today, then?

[Bonatogether]

chaqa please let this be one of your things where you're saying the opposite of what you believe

there's no fucking way you flipped on your read of the entire game

The entire point of my fake claim was to sort you two out.

The only part of my game view that changed was Eden, really. I still townread Damo and Bozo and Dousing.

i thought you always townread me

[Chaqa]

Wouldn't it make sense for Bona to track Sweet, Sweet to protect Dousing, Dousing to VCop Bona, and Eden to Roleblock Deeznuts?

[Chaqa]

chaqa please let this be one of your things where you're saying the opposite of what you believe

there's no fucking way you flipped on your read of the entire game

The entire point of my fake claim was to sort you two out.

The only part of my game view that changed was Eden, really. I still townread Damo and Bozo and Dousing.

i thought you always townread me

I haven't really been townreading you for most of this game. It's part of why I put you in my fakeclaim

[President Eden]

also getting hard data on the claim bullshit is invaluable

if i die today, eden has to be flipped tomorrow, but not killing in the pr-claimant pool gets us nothing except likely a dead vt, so it is the best outcome for scum

I concur with this, which is why I’m offering you an s&c kill to test us, because I think he’s also mafia, there’s still an insanely small chance you aren’t lying, and I see no real loss to thunderdoming you tomorrow.

If you reject this offer I’m happy to just kill you instead

[President Eden]

i don't trust that we don't roleblock scum
i don't trust someone else will have some other wacky interplay that'll fuck it up and it'll be blamed on chaqa's fantasy driver
i don't trust that town will actually follow through tomorrow at lylo

Okay, so let’s walk through all these.

> roleblock scum

This is a risk, but as I pointed out to rdr just a second ago, I’m sure we can agree on somebody who we’re already basically agreeing needs to be town if we’re ever going to win. If we put it up to a collective vote then at least the target will be selected by town and will probably be the biggest townread outside of Dousing.

> other interplay

AFAIK these are literally all accounted for, but I’ll double check when I get home in a bit.

> failure to followthrough

I mean sure, true, possible, but I kind of doubt that.

who do you propose is voted today, then?

I refuse to answer who I think the best target is because I want zero implications that I “steered” y’all into your selection of the target.

If we go through with this plan I would hang s&c

[sweetandcool]

@any psychos who still thinks I'm the best choice to vote for today.

We have a clear Eden vs Bona situation.

While there is plenty of reasons to suspect me strongly, I have not been provably shown to be mafia.

We know for a fact either Eden or Bona is Mafia. Please vote accordingly.

And while my opinion isn't liked currently, and I'm most frequently paired with Bona, I would like to point out:

Before Bona chimed in, I seemed like a dead lock for Mafia. But since Bona did speak, Eden is now strongly suspect.

Case 1: Eden's reaction to Chaqa's false claim was genuine, and Mafia Bona was chiming in, in an attempt to save fellow Mafia sweetandcool and/or provoke a Eden misskill.
Case 2: Mafia Eden was fooled by Chaqa's false claim and reacted by covering them self. They chose RB because claiming Bodyguard would be an obvious cover since it is unverifiable. They choose Bona and Snowy as their RB. Snowy is dead and can't contradict them. They know Bona will contradict them, but they also know they will be provoking a Bona vs Eden situation and hope to take Bona down as a parting shot. They also knew that since Chaqa had "scanned" Bona as non-vanilla, making them a better target for a parting shot.

Let me know if anywhere my logic doesn't track, but I think I outlined these cases pretty accurately.

And please note I am making two assumptions: Chaqa's story is true, and Dousing is Vanilla Cop.

[Bonatogether]

The entire point of my fake claim was to sort you two out.

The only part of my game view that changed was Eden, really. I still townread Damo and Bozo and Dousing.

i thought you always townread me

I haven't really been townreading you for most of this game. It's part of why I put you in my fakeclaim

[Bonatogether]

also getting hard data on the claim bullshit is invaluable

if i die today, eden has to be flipped tomorrow, but not killing in the pr-claimant pool gets us nothing except likely a dead vt, so it is the best outcome for scum

I concur with this, which is why I’m offering you an s&c kill to test us, because I think he’s also mafia, there’s still an insanely small chance you aren’t lying, and I see no real loss to thunderdoming you tomorrow.

If you reject this offer I’m happy to just kill you instead

killing me or killing you has to happen today

[Bonatogether]

Okay, so let’s walk through all these.

> roleblock scum

This is a risk, but as I pointed out to rdr just a second ago, I’m sure we can agree on somebody who we’re already basically agreeing needs to be town if we’re ever going to win. If we put it up to a collective vote then at least the target will be selected by town and will probably be the biggest townread outside of Dousing.

> other interplay

AFAIK these are literally all accounted for, but I’ll double check when I get home in a bit.

> failure to followthrough

I mean sure, true, possible, but I kind of doubt that.

who do you propose is voted today, then?

I refuse to answer who I think the best target is because I want zero implications that I “steered” y’all into your selection of the target.

If we go through with this plan I would hang s&c

that's a bad kill because it's not me or you

[President Eden]

who do you propose is voted today, then?

I refuse to answer who I think the best target is because I want zero implications that I “steered” y’all into your selection of the target.

If we go through with this plan I would hang s&c

that's a bad kill because it's not me or you

if you’re just gonna be like that, wtf is the point of asking?

[Chaqa]

I think one of the fake claimants is the y traitor and doesn’t know what to do

[sweetandcool]

Okay, so let’s walk through all these.

> roleblock scum

This is a risk, but as I pointed out to rdr just a second ago, I’m sure we can agree on somebody who we’re already basically agreeing needs to be town if we’re ever going to win. If we put it up to a collective vote then at least the target will be selected by town and will probably be the biggest townread outside of Dousing.

> other interplay

AFAIK these are literally all accounted for, but I’ll double check when I get home in a bit.

> failure to followthrough

I mean sure, true, possible, but I kind of doubt that.

who do you propose is voted today, then?

I refuse to answer who I think the best target is because I want zero implications that I “steered” y’all into your selection of the target.

If we go through with this plan I would hang s&c

I refuse to believe that someone as intelligent as you is really suggesting killing me, when you or Bona is a deadlock mafia.

[Bonatogether]

if sweetandcool is seriously considered as a kill today then town just sucks

town has to resolve the 50/50 to get a bearing on the fakeclaim shit