i am going to go insaneChaqa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:14 pmThis is going to be a long one. First off, everything I said in this post is true and I believe:The following post is pure fiction. I'm not the vanilla cop, and I do fully expect to be daykilled today for this dayclaim. It was a calculated risk.Chaqa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:12 amYou may not believe this until a few more games here, but I'm just an incredibly chaotic person in general. This is my normal meta, though I will admit I am not finding myself very effective this game. But I feel like I've been right on my town reads, which is my stronger aspect of my game.
Snowy dying isn't surprising to me. I think the reason he died was because he was a towny who was going against the grain.
One other thing I'm wary of is anyone saying "x is widely scumread" because all it takes is the mafia making a concerted effort to scumread someone to make someone suddenly be the "common scumread" and put them on the defensive.
Anyway, leading into my general view on the game at the moment, with thinking about the lack of surprising night actions. I think the mafia didn't add any additional abilities.
I think for this to be true, there must be at least one powerful, calming voice on the scumteam. Snowy was a potential suspect for that, but Eden is the #1 suspect IMO.
I'm pretty firm in my townread on Damo. Bozo and Dousing are also likely town.
So my thinking currently is the scumteam is probably:
- Eden
- Bona or Sweet ( I don't think both)
- Jamie or Rivera
I believed pretty firmly that there is a massive fuckery of reads going on, in that everyone's reads are bad and we need a giant volt to reset us. So I made a really loose play, based on the following beliefs:
1. There was likely no more than 1 town PR
2. Eden was almost certainly scum
3. I thought my "guilty scan on Bofa" was justification enough of my N1 scan to give the play some credibility and maybe get some insights into Bona and Eden
I decided that the best way to test this out would be to fakeclaim a PR. Looking through the list, vanilla cop felt most suitable, and I didn't have any reads on anyone being this role (if I had been reading closer, maybe I would have noticed Dousing, but oh well).
I REALLY wish Bona had been around to get his reaction to Eden's RB claim, because that is a huge piece of info, but I think even without that we can analyze this all and solve the game. But one small note before we begin. I want to back up to my initial "I've got some proof" post for some reactions:
I think all three of these reactions are fair. Damo thought I was town, so he believed me. Eden is saying doubt because he knows he's town (if he is the Roleblocker). Jamie is being Jamie.
So keep that in mind as we go forward.
S&C asked a very interesting question. Let's look at the modifications:sweetandcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:42 amI know you feel strongly about it, but if you have time I encourage you to look at Damo's posts again. If they are not vanilla cop, I am legitimately confused by their play.
Lastly, what power(s) do you think Mafia would take? If Eden or Bona are actually powered instead of Mafia, then that would mean Mafia took a power.I think if mafia had Janitor, they'd have used it already.1-Shot Faction Janitor
Role Cop*
JOAT* (1 shot Strongman, 1 shot Ninja, 1 shot Drive)
Scumchat Daytalk (passive ability)
Recruit Traitor as Mafia Goon
Daychat doesn't seem worth it in exchange for a town PR. Goon neither.
So I think if mafia took a role, it's Role Cop or JOAT.
Given that both Eden and Dousing have claimed a PR, that means either:
1. Mafia did indeed choose an extra role.
2. One of Dousing and Eden is mafia.
Eden, Bona, and Ligma
Part of the reason I chose Eden for my fakeclaim is I thought he would respond quickly. Eden pretty quickly posts this:Bona's first D2 post:President Eden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 2:46 amn1 rb Bona because he seemed like VT and I wanted to be able to confirm myself later.
n2 rb snowy because I thought he would carry the kill.
Bona either confirms he was rb'd n1 or confirms he's scumWhile I would like Bona to confirm, I think this could be due to the roleblock. I don't think Bona would find ghug dying N1 to be interesting, tbh.
Eden says Bona can "confirm he was roleblocked or confirm he is scum," which makes sense if I am the VCop, but it also makes me somewhat worried that Eden-Bona are a scumpair and the plan here is for Eden to bus Bona for clout.
It's a play I could see Eden making and one Bona would likely go along with, since last time they were scum together they did the opposite, with Bona bussing Eden. Sweet picked up on this as well pretty quickly.
Of course, since I'm not the VCop, this is all thought experiment, but Eden's followup posts seem genuine to me and I suspect he is the Roleblocker after all.
Dousing
So yeah, my B on this, I wouldn't have done this if I thought there was actually a VCop out there. However, Dousing has done us a great service if his Not Vanilla scan on S&C is true.
I don't think he has any reason to lie about this either. If he is scum, the only reason to claim this is to get into a CC battle and kill me. When that is resolved, if I were the VCop, my results would indict Bona, so Dousing is clearly the VCop.
What's REALLY interesting is that S&C doesn't even address this scan in his followup post to Dousing:Damo also notices this:sweetandcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:51 amI will of course spend some time examining all of the role claimers. But I'm less inclined to believe you simply because I haven't seen any evidence of you doing anything except tunneling on me and Bona. Plus, you haven't mentioned who you scanned N2.FWIW Dousing totally calls me out on most of this in his post #1808damo666 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:25 am##unvote
So much info.
I was struck by an inconsistency in Chaqa's claim. He says he thinks scum took no powers but his results make that impossible. This indicates he didn't think it through and Dousing is much more believable.
However, I find it intriguing that sweet is voting Dousing but hasn't actually confirmed or denied Dousing's scan claim that sweet is non vanilla.
If Eden is to be believed the scum team appears to be Chaqa Bona sweet.
If Eden is lying then it is Eden Dousing and one of {Jamie, bozo, rdr}.
Id like to hear from sweet wet vanilla status and ofc we need to hear from Bona re RB.
I guess today has to be Chaqa v Dousing (surely one is lying scum).
I was townreading both but Dousing's claim seems more believable.
##vote Chaqa
i hate mechs so much
i hate being a pr
