MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[President Eden]

Continuing: I am the vanilla cop.

Night 1 I scanned Bona. He came back not vanilla, hence the first post on Day 2. I've been thinking about this a lot and I firmly believed he was another PR until the math doesn't seem to make sense.

Night 2 I scanned Eden. He also came back not vanilla. I figured at this point it was worth just claiming.

So, if one of them is a PR, that would be ideal, but if not I think maybe I've got two. I'm just unsure about Bona though so I don't have him locked in as scum.

wow exactly Bona n1 too huh

[President Eden]

n1 rb Bona because he seemed like VT and I wanted to be able to confirm myself later.
n2 rb snowy because I thought he would carry the kill.

Bona either confirms he was rb'd n1 or confirms he's scum

[sweetandcool]

n1 rb Bona because he seemed like VT and I wanted to be able to confirm myself later.
n2 rb snowy because I thought he would carry the kill.

Bona either confirms he was rb'd n1 or confirms he's scum

I think I understand that you are claiming Roleblocker, though all the abbreviations made it hard for me to understand.

Could you explain your last sentence?

[President Eden]

n1 rb Bona because he seemed like VT and I wanted to be able to confirm myself later.
n2 rb snowy because I thought he would carry the kill.

Bona either confirms he was rb'd n1 or confirms he's scum

I think I understand that you are claiming Roleblocker, though all the abbreviations made it hard for me to understand.

Could you explain your last sentence?

Correct.

When you roleblock someone, they find out they were roleblocked, irrespective of whether they actually had an action you blocked. This means that your target can confirm they were roleblocked on the night you roleblocked them. They don't know you did it, but obviously I would have no way of knowing Bona was roleblocked except if I did it myself.

So he can either confirm he was roleblocked, or he can lie and say he wasn't. If he does the first then we don't know whether he's PR or scum going along with it. (We know he's one of them unless Chaqa is fakeclaiming.) If he does the second, then we know he's scum.

[sweetandcool]

n1 rb Bona because he seemed like VT and I wanted to be able to confirm myself later.
n2 rb snowy because I thought he would carry the kill.

Bona either confirms he was rb'd n1 or confirms he's scum

I think I understand that you are claiming Roleblocker, though all the abbreviations made it hard for me to understand.

Could you explain your last sentence?

Correct.

When you roleblock someone, they find out they were roleblocked, irrespective of whether they actually had an action you blocked. This means that your target can confirm they were roleblocked on the night you roleblocked them. They don't know you did it, but obviously I would have no way of knowing Bona was roleblocked except if I did it myself.

So he can either confirm he was roleblocked, or he can lie and say he wasn't. If he does the first then we don't know whether he's PR or scum going along with it. (We know he's one of them unless Chaqa is fakeclaiming.) If he does the second, then we know he's scum.

Not to keep picking on you, but you neglected to mention the last alternative which is that you're lying about being roleblocker. In which case he could tell the truth that he wasn't roleblocked.

So really he can either confirm he was roleblocked, or he can say he wasn't in which case we know Eden and/or Bona is Mafia.

[sweetandcool]

Actually, if you are both Mafia he should agree that he is roleblocked. Then we won't suspect you despite being Mafia.

Still, this gives us more to work with, thank you.

[President Eden]

I think I understand that you are claiming Roleblocker, though all the abbreviations made it hard for me to understand.

Could you explain your last sentence?

Correct.

When you roleblock someone, they find out they were roleblocked, irrespective of whether they actually had an action you blocked. This means that your target can confirm they were roleblocked on the night you roleblocked them. They don't know you did it, but obviously I would have no way of knowing Bona was roleblocked except if I did it myself.

So he can either confirm he was roleblocked, or he can lie and say he wasn't. If he does the first then we don't know whether he's PR or scum going along with it. (We know he's one of them unless Chaqa is fakeclaiming.) If he does the second, then we know he's scum.

Not to keep picking on you, but you neglected to mention the last alternative which is that you're lying about being roleblocker. In which case he could tell the truth that he wasn't roleblocked.

So really he can either confirm he was roleblocked, or he can say he wasn't in which case we know Eden and/or Bona is Mafia.

well yes lol

I didn't mention it because I was too excited by the fact that Chaqa happened to also check Bona

[sweetandcool]

If you are both telling the truth this confirms Mafia has taken at least one power.

Consequently, I must ask for clarification on two potential powers, because I'm not 100% sure I understand them.

What is 1-shot faction Janitor and what is JOAT?

[Dousing]

Continuing: I am the vanilla cop.

Night 1 I scanned Bona. He came back not vanilla, hence the first post on Day 2. I've been thinking about this a lot and I firmly believed he was another PR until the math doesn't seem to make sense.

Night 2 I scanned Eden. He also came back not vanilla. I figured at this point it was worth just claiming.

So, if one of them is a PR, that would be ideal, but if not I think maybe I've got two. I'm just unsure about Bona though so I don't have him locked in as scum.

Well that thing is Chaqa, I think you have this wrong because I *checks PM's* am actually Vanilla cop and YOU are a lair with pants (presumably) on fire.

To be honest, I was CERTAIN I had outed myself as the vanilla cop because of my complete 180 on my position on S&C. The reason why I've tunneled on S&C so hard thus far is because I scanned them N1 and found that they were not vanilla.

For reference: on D1 I was saying things like this:

sweetandcool I feel your pain

and this

I personally like Sweetandcool purely because they’re a fellow newbie

[Obviously, this is more comradery/solidarity but its simply just the most proof of my trust and respect of who I considered to be a townie. I think in other posts you don't see me shading S&C at all and I'll say that I personally was reading them as a townie even if I didn't say it out loud.]


Compare this to my interactions with S&C post-N1. I mean for starters, you'd probably be better off calling them "accusations" as opposed to "interactions". It clearly starts off with me putting S&C at the bottom third on one of my lists (viewtopic.php?p=337123#p337123) and them gradually shifting farther and farther down as my suspicions of them raise.

Honestly, I don't think I even need to show proof of how hard I pushed the anti-S&C wagon. I'm certain S&C is sick of it (the mafia lover themself )


The *REAL* smoking gun that I think proves my role is me saying this:

S&C, this might be bad play, but if you got lucky and landed a special town role tell me because I really want to help you clear your name

Personally, the arguments that S&C made while I was accusing them--although not *perfect*--raised the possibility that S&C could be the second town role. In addition, my arguments against S&C were a little flimsy. This is because I didn't really *care* about the argument itself, I wanted to just use it to convince everyone else to vote S&C because the REAL evidence was in the scan I did the night before (but I couldn't just tell everyone that obviously)

Regardless, as time wore on, the doubt in my mind boiled over and I made the terrible decision to ask S&C if they had a role. I genuinely liked (and still like) S&C's post and would have been really bummed if I inadvertently killed off a townie especially since their play so far had been really strong.

So if S&C claimed a role then my "not vanilla" scan would've been accounted for, but obviously that didn't end up happening since S&C is part of the mafia and Chaqa just false claimed

[Dousing]

P.S. - me being convinced that I already outed myself as vanilla cop is the reason why I said this:

I have a suspicion I'm getting NK'ed

[sweetandcool]

Continuing: I am the vanilla cop.

Night 1 I scanned Bona. He came back not vanilla, hence the first post on Day 2. I've been thinking about this a lot and I firmly believed he was another PR until the math doesn't seem to make sense.

Night 2 I scanned Eden. He also came back not vanilla. I figured at this point it was worth just claiming.

So, if one of them is a PR, that would be ideal, but if not I think maybe I've got two. I'm just unsure about Bona though so I don't have him locked in as scum.

Well that thing is Chaqa, I think you have this wrong because I *checks PM's* am actually Vanilla cop and YOU are a lair with pants (presumably) on fire.

To be honest, I was CERTAIN I had outed myself as the vanilla cop because of my complete 180 on my position on S&C. The reason why I've tunneled on S&C so hard thus far is because I scanned them N1 and found that they were not vanilla.

For reference: on D1 I was saying things like this:

sweetandcool I feel your pain

and this

I personally like Sweetandcool purely because they’re a fellow newbie

[Obviously, this is more comradery/solidarity but its simply just the most proof of my trust and respect of who I considered to be a townie. I think in other posts you don't see me shading S&C at all and I'll say that I personally was reading them as a townie even if I didn't say it out loud.]


Compare this to my interactions with S&C post-N1. I mean for starters, you'd probably be better off calling them "accusations" as opposed to "interactions". It clearly starts off with me putting S&C at the bottom third on one of my lists (viewtopic.php?p=337123#p337123) and them gradually shifting farther and farther down as my suspicions of them raise.

Honestly, I don't think I even need to show proof of how hard I pushed the anti-S&C wagon. I'm certain S&C is sick of it (the mafia lover themself )


The *REAL* smoking gun that I think proves my role is me saying this:

S&C, this might be bad play, but if you got lucky and landed a special town role tell me because I really want to help you clear your name

Personally, the arguments that S&C made while I was accusing them--although not *perfect*--raised the possibility that S&C could be the second town role. In addition, my arguments against S&C were a little flimsy. This is because I didn't really *care* about the argument itself, I wanted to just use it to convince everyone else to vote S&C because the REAL evidence was in the scan I did the night before (but I couldn't just tell everyone that obviously)

Regardless, as time wore on, the doubt in my mind boiled over and I made the terrible decision to ask S&C if they had a role. I genuinely liked (and still like) S&C's post and would have been really bummed if I inadvertently killed off a townie especially since their play so far had been really strong.

So if S&C claimed a role then my "not vanilla" scan would've been accounted for, but obviously that didn't end up happening since S&C is part of the mafia and Chaqa just false claimed

I will of course spend some time examining all of the role claimers. But I'm less inclined to believe you simply because I haven't seen any evidence of you doing anything except tunneling on me and Bona. Plus, you haven't mentioned who you scanned N2.

[sweetandcool]

Continuing: I am the vanilla cop.

Night 1 I scanned Bona. He came back not vanilla, hence the first post on Day 2. I've been thinking about this a lot and I firmly believed he was another PR until the math doesn't seem to make sense.

Night 2 I scanned Eden. He also came back not vanilla. I figured at this point it was worth just claiming.

So, if one of them is a PR, that would be ideal, but if not I think maybe I've got two. I'm just unsure about Bona though so I don't have him locked in as scum.

Well that thing is Chaqa, I think you have this wrong because I *checks PM's* am actually Vanilla cop and YOU are a lair with pants (presumably) on fire.

To be honest, I was CERTAIN I had outed myself as the vanilla cop because of my complete 180 on my position on S&C. The reason why I've tunneled on S&C so hard thus far is because I scanned them N1 and found that they were not vanilla.

For reference: on D1 I was saying things like this:

sweetandcool I feel your pain

and this

I personally like Sweetandcool purely because they’re a fellow newbie

[Obviously, this is more comradery/solidarity but its simply just the most proof of my trust and respect of who I considered to be a townie. I think in other posts you don't see me shading S&C at all and I'll say that I personally was reading them as a townie even if I didn't say it out loud.]


Compare this to my interactions with S&C post-N1. I mean for starters, you'd probably be better off calling them "accusations" as opposed to "interactions". It clearly starts off with me putting S&C at the bottom third on one of my lists (viewtopic.php?p=337123#p337123) and them gradually shifting farther and farther down as my suspicions of them raise.

Honestly, I don't think I even need to show proof of how hard I pushed the anti-S&C wagon. I'm certain S&C is sick of it (the mafia lover themself )


The *REAL* smoking gun that I think proves my role is me saying this:

S&C, this might be bad play, but if you got lucky and landed a special town role tell me because I really want to help you clear your name

Personally, the arguments that S&C made while I was accusing them--although not *perfect*--raised the possibility that S&C could be the second town role. In addition, my arguments against S&C were a little flimsy. This is because I didn't really *care* about the argument itself, I wanted to just use it to convince everyone else to vote S&C because the REAL evidence was in the scan I did the night before (but I couldn't just tell everyone that obviously)

Regardless, as time wore on, the doubt in my mind boiled over and I made the terrible decision to ask S&C if they had a role. I genuinely liked (and still like) S&C's post and would have been really bummed if I inadvertently killed off a townie especially since their play so far had been really strong.

So if S&C claimed a role then my "not vanilla" scan would've been accounted for, but obviously that didn't end up happening since S&C is part of the mafia and Chaqa just false claimed

I will of course spend some time examining all of the role claimers. But I'm less inclined to believe you simply because I haven't seen any evidence of you doing anything except tunneling on me and Bona. Plus, you haven't mentioned who you scanned N2.

While I'll try not to hold it against you too much, since there could be a medley of reasonable explanations, I find the length of time taken for you to correct your mistake a bit disturbing.

[Dousing]

My N2 scan was Snowy, figured I might as well scan them seeing as I had just written a huge wall of text questioning their motives and didn't wanna start a town vs town argument especially since this vote is so important.

I should've included that in my post ig but I figured it was long enough and that I should at least *try* to keep my posts to a readable length.

[Dousing]

I will of course spend some time examining all of the role claimers. But I'm less inclined to believe you simply because I haven't seen any evidence of you doing anything except tunneling on me and Bona. Plus, you haven't mentioned who you scanned N2.

I don't think I've been tunneling on Bona moreso just defending Koala. Also I've put them in the "neutral" category of basically every list I've made iirc.

I think me tunneling on you S&C actually *proves* I'm the vanilla cop trying to capitalize on a "not vanilla" scan. Had I not scanned you N1, I would have 100% TR'ed you

[sweetandcool]

I will of course spend some time examining all of the role claimers. But I'm less inclined to believe you simply because I haven't seen any evidence of you doing anything except tunneling on me and Bona. Plus, you haven't mentioned who you scanned N2.

I don't think I've been tunneling on Bona moreso just defending Koala. Also I've put them in the "neutral" category of basically every list I've made iirc.

I think me tunneling on you S&C actually *proves* I'm the vanilla cop trying to capitalize on a "not vanilla" scan. Had I not scanned you N1, I would have 100% TR'ed you

I get that. We'll let it rest for now so people can digest this new information.

One huge point in your favour is that chaqa is experienced enough to have this play in mind from the beginning of the game so that they can craft a convincing narrative. The only way I see you pulling this off is if you are coached.

[President Eden]

##vote chaqa
##end

[President Eden]

i cannot believe i outed for this

whatever

[Dousing]

When Chaqa flips mafia y'all better vote S&C or I'm blowing a gasket lol

##Vote Chaqa for falsely claming my role

[sweetandcool]

When Chaqa flips mafia y'all better vote S&C or I'm blowing a gasket lol

##Vote Chaqa for falsely claming my role

Tunneler.

[sweetandcool]

I wonder if chaqa is mafia role cop? Could explain them being willing to make this play. Especially since their scans would be accurate.