MAFIA 79: The Price is Right! [GAME THREAD]

[Dousing]

Could you actually be productive and comment on President Eden? I don't care if it is positive, negative, or neutral, but something would be nice instead of this constant useless whining about me not crusading against them.

I haven't thought much on Eden tbh, I think they have a really good understanding of the game but their comments about Bona are wildly off imo.

I've put them at neutral on my list and they've remained there until future posts by them can change that

[sweetandcool]

S&C, this might be bad play, but if you got lucky and landed a special town role tell me because I really want to help you clear your name

My understanding is that this would be unwise. It might be a play in the late game but not now. Regardless, I could simply lie. And unfortunately I already thought of the best possible lie for Mafia/Town is to claim Vanilla Town.

[Dousing]

Also I GUARANTEE that you would never have explained your vote on Eden beyond that small little explainer text especially since you had them as "tied with Koala as my number one suspect".

To argue against Eden any further would mean putting your name at risk; something you seem averse to doing.

Ergo, Mafia

[sweetandcool]

Could you actually be productive and comment on President Eden? I don't care if it is positive, negative, or neutral, but something would be nice instead of this constant useless whining about me not crusading against them.

I haven't thought much on Eden tbh, I think they have a really good understanding of the game but their comments about Bona are wildly off imo.

I've put them at neutral on my list and they've remained there until future posts by them can change that

Thank you. And what are your thoughts on my opinion of them? Do they, or do they not have a habit of encouraging wagons? And when they encourage, have they shown any substantial/original thoughts?

[Dousing]

Thank you. And what are your thoughts on my opinion of them? Do they, or do they not have a habit of encouraging wagons? And when they encourage, have they shown any substantial/original thoughts?

Like I said, I haven't thought about them much but I'll take a look at their history and tell you what I think

[sweetandcool]

Also I GUARANTEE that you would never have explained your vote on Eden beyond that small little explainer text especially since you had them as "tied with Koala as my number one suspect".

To argue against Eden any further would mean putting your name at risk; something you seem averse to doing.

Ergo, Mafia

And why are you so scared to argue for/against them? Why does my opinion have/not have merit? Please take some time to think critically about Eden.

[snowy801]

s&c is it your belief that dousing is likely scum?

Just curious

[rdrivera2005]

##vote Eden?

I really need to hear more from rdr

What do you want to hear from me? Ask and I will answer you.

Literally anything I presume, you're tied with the GM on posts so far.

What's your stance RE: Koala and RE: S&C?

Like I said before I think GM posts too much. I am never a high poster as I have a job and a family and outdoor activities (yes, I am old and live on Brasil).

I also already said I think Koala is town. He looks like his town games and it doesn't look like an Impersonation. I know he is very capable as scum but I don't think it's the case.

About SC I don't get why he wants to have full credit for pushing a misskil but on tone he looks townie.

[sweetandcool]

s&c is it your belief that dousing is likely scum?

Just curious

I think they are severely misguided. I wish they were Mafia so that I could vote them. The fact they have been misrepresenting my actions against Fox is the main point against them, but I'm chalking it up to boneheadedness. It's also regrettable to me that I mostly find their reads on the entire table backwards.

So no, I don't currently think dousing is scum.

[Dousing]

Also I GUARANTEE that you would never have explained your vote on Eden beyond that small little explainer text especially since you had them as "tied with Koala as my number one suspect".

To argue against Eden any further would mean putting your name at risk; something you seem averse to doing.

Ergo, Mafia

And why are you so scared to argue for/against them? Why does my opinion have/not have merit? Please take some time to think critically about Eden.

I'm not scared, I just haven't talked about them.

That wouldn't be an odd thing unless I had put up a vote + argument against them randomly and never bothered to actually follow through on what I was saying.

[sweetandcool]

What do you want to hear from me? Ask and I will answer you.

Literally anything I presume, you're tied with the GM on posts so far.

What's your stance RE: Koala and RE: S&C?

Like I said before I think GM posts too much. I am never a high poster as I have a job and a family and outdoor activities (yes, I am old and live on Brasil).

I also already said I think Koala is town. He looks like his town games and it doesn't look like an Impersonation. I know he is very capable as scum but I don't think it's the case.

About SC I don't get why he wants to have full credit for pushing a misskil but on tone he looks townie.

Well, I'm sad and ashamed of the misskill. But the characterization that I was bandwaggoning is a gross mischaracterization.

[rdrivera2005]

@Damo:

Using base 6 or base 12 (your choice), could you calculate the percentage chance of Rdrivera, Koala, and President Edam being the scum team?

I can. Zero.

100% vanilla town TM?

I have prompters for you. Give me like half an hour ish to find time to write it out

I have dropped the TM some games ago and won't use it anymore. And I am really happy with this.

[Dousing]

@Sweetandcool

Okay, i've done like three minutes of digging and from what I've found I think Eden has been willing to push people's theories and encourage wagons but I think that can just be an extension of how they play the game.

I find their opinions reasonably consistent and I think that they drive a clear delineation between what their opinions and what the opinion's of others are.

I haven't seen too much of them just going "I agree" to things without binging forward some kind of evidence to back their claims up.

Aside from what they've said about Bona I have a good amount of confidence in what they say. I see merits in your criticisms of Eden but I'm still neutral on them.

[sweetandcool]

@Sweetandcool

Okay, i've done like three minutes of digging and from what I've found I think Eden has been willing to push people's theories and encourage wagons but I think that can just be an extension of how they play the game.

I find their opinions reasonably consistent and I think that they drive a clear delineation between what their opinions and what the opinion's of others are.

I haven't seen too much of them just going "I agree" to things without binging forward some kind of evidence to back their claims up.

Aside from what they've said about Bona I have a good amount of confidence in what they say. I see merits in your criticisms of Eden but I'm still neutral on them.

Thanks you very much.

[sweetandcool]

@Sweetandcool

Okay, i've done like three minutes of digging and from what I've found I think Eden has been willing to push people's theories and encourage wagons but I think that can just be an extension of how they play the game.

I find their opinions reasonably consistent and I think that they drive a clear delineation between what their opinions and what the opinion's of others are.

I haven't seen too much of them just going "I agree" to things without binging forward some kind of evidence to back their claims up.

Aside from what they've said about Bona I have a good amount of confidence in what they say. I see merits in your criticisms of Eden but I'm still neutral on them.

One last thought. I believe I have acknowledged multiple times that my argument against Eden is not strong. And since I have nothing else, I have refrained from crusading against them like I did Fox. Instead, I have repeatedly said that I am waiting for discussion. I think I made it clear that my vote was intended to provoke discussion, but if not, please understand that that was the case.

Other people have used their votes as jokes or as a way to call attention to another player. Why can they do that, but if I do it then it's a problem to you? Why MUST I pursue a case against Eden, since I mentioned I have suspicion?

Interestingly, Eden never did respond to my speculation and vote. Regardless of whether they are indeed Mafia or honest Town, their strategy has worked greatly because it hasn't given me any opportunity for more ammo (not that I am necessarily searching for ammo, I'm happy to receive reassurance as well).

[rdrivera2005]

@rdrivera

I need from you two sanity checks:

1) What does this mean

i think i'm pretty clearly cooler as i wasn't born in the previous millennium like a boomer

When we flip you as Mafia, if I'm still alive, I'll say "boom" just for you.

2) What does this mean

I have a guilty scan on Bofa.

Why? Please explain, otherwise this is meaningless chatter.

Primarily off the back of 1), I have hardlocked Koala scum and am working on the tentative assumption that Chaqa is town, and therefore someone (possibly Eden) is pushing him as a desired counterwagon. Too early to be determining such things, but I would like your reaction to this understanding.

From you I would like your reaction to the following statement by bozo, particularly the TvT part, and your own understanding of that interaction:

What are people's takes on bona?

On average a lot of people seemed to have warmed up considerably since yesterday, any notable causes?

I am not sure I buy that Bonatogether did not read the setup until N1, but Bonatogether vs. KoalaAttack seems like it could be T vs. T.

Further I would like your specific reads on the following:
bona, Jamiet, sweetandcool, and your broader understanding of the gamestate as a whole if you have any insights.

A lot to answer, had to use my notebook first time in this game as I was playing only on phone (a good reason for my short posts).

Sanity checks:

1) I think Koala is saying that when Bona flip scum, if Koala is still alive he will say "boom". Nothing really strange tome What do you understood from this to ask for a sanity check.

2) This is bizarre and people have already adressed. I think he said he meant to ask who as he didn´t get the reference to Bofa. I don´t know, if anyone that isn´t a newbie do that I will be really suspicious, but in this case it´s plausible and like I said before I can´t see why a scum SC wants so badly to get credit for a misskill and attract so much attencion to himself over this.

We have completelly diferente points of view. You hardlocked Koala and me as scum as Chaqa as town, I know I am town and I think Koala is town and Chaqa might be scum so I don´t know how you want to react to this other then saying I think you are completelly wrong.

But at least now you are addressing me instead of shading, but only after I (and others) called you about this.

I am torn on Bona, I didn´t like his interactions at night but Eden have a valid point about his walls having a lot more target then the one´s on the game he was scum. On the other side, as someone pointed, that was an strategy that will work only once so he will need to play differently as scum. All in all he is on my null list.

Jamiet I confess I didn´t gave much of a thought on this game. I have a sense of a townread but I just can´t find much of a reason other then having a reading of the game that is similar to mine.

S&C I have already said I think he is town.

Right now, my top suspects are Chaqa and you. I have nullreads on Eden, Bona, Bozo and Damo and I think any of this are decent guesses for the third one.4
This is also frustrating because other then Jamiet I just townread the newbies and Koala and I don´t really connect with them (connect meaning have a similar way to approach the game).

[Dousing]

On the other side, as someone pointed, that was an strategy that will work only once so he will need to play differently as scum.

You mean me?

[rdrivera2005]

On the other side, as someone pointed, that was an strategy that will work only once so he will need to play differently as scum.

You mean me?

Probably, I am too lazy to check.

[President Eden]

S&C, this might be bad play, but if you got lucky and landed a special town role tell me because I really want to help you clear your name

🗞

bad newbie

probably locktown for this though. this is the kind of shit i see zealous cops say in interrogations to close out a confession. would be impressed if new scum had the balls to just do this out in the open

[sweetandcool]

S&C, this might be bad play, but if you got lucky and landed a special town role tell me because I really want to help you clear your name

🗞

bad newbie

probably locktown for this though. this is the kind of shit i see zealous cops say in interrogations to close out a confession. would be impressed if new scum had the balls to just do this out in the open

I'd normally completely agree, but they are new, and in my opinion have demonstrated bad judgement. So you never know.

Still, I agree they are probably Town, even without this.