M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[rdrivera2005]

Well, Ghug was obviously town so it's not a surprise NK.

I still think HR and Flum are town.

I have a lot doubts about Koala, I just don't feel the same Koala of first game but also it's not the same fluffy Koala from last game.

Right now I would say Bozo and Jamiet are my top suspects. Followed by Damo, Bona and Worcej in this order.

Bozo is just forgettable this game which doesn't happen when he is town. And Jamiet reactions seems over the top like he wants to look like angry town Jamiet.

Rdrivera, it appears from this that, at the early part of D2, you had six suspects. Is that right?

No, I had two suspects and 4 that I didn’t have a townread. I would say I still suspect Bozo and you are now on my townreads. Worcej and Damo are my bog doubts now. I don't see a Bozo/Worcej team so maybe it's one of them and Damo.

[KoalaAttack]

Well, I missed EOD and have some pages to read. Seems I will have some time as I am the number 1 suspect right now and Mafia won't kill me anyway.

Why do you think you are the number 1 suspect?

This is a good question – a lot focus on rdr is recent. How does one know this if they haven't read between EOD and now? Other than being told "people are suspecting you" in Mafia Chat?

[KoalaAttack]

Final Vote Count on D2:

Bonatogether (4) KoalaAttack rdrivera2005 damo666 Hamilton Brian
Hamilton Brian (3) Bonatogether Jamiet99uk worcej
bozotheclown (1) Fluminator
worcej (1) bozotheclown

The grand total of rdrivera votes is 0.

Player Submitted Thoughts to the ghost of ghug – If I went from 0 votes on me EOD to stating I'm the #1 suspect literally in the same post where I just said I haven't caught up on the thread since EOD, would this qualify as a proper "slip"?

[bozotheclown]

Both your statement and my statement can be true here. I don’t see why that matters because I was here and was still participating.

Bona died because HB made a tie and no one was either going to break it because of either not being here or being fine with his death.

I don't remember you town reading Bonatogether before EOD, why were you confident enough that Bonatogether was town that HB "forcing" a DK of Bonatogether looked bad at that time?

You have quoted a post where I said I did not want to kill Bona.

I don't know your reasons why, though.

[bozotheclown]

This sentence is clumsy and I should re-phrase it. What I mean is, you (TheBozo) are mistaken to say that you know Worcej's "final D2 vote" was on town, unless you're telling us that you know HB's alignment.

TheBozo, the last time you made this mistake, involving my vote, it was because you were looking at the Bot whilst forgetting the context in which the vote was placed.

This time, can you explain what led to your error? The bot very clearly shows that Worcej's last vote in D2 was for Hamilton Brian. Moreover, the GM's end of day summary also clearly shows Worcej's vote being on HB when day ended. Plus, if you reviewed the events of EoD2, you couldn't fail to notice Worcej shouting at HB for tying the vote, and trying to get a flash-wagon on HB in motion.

It appears that sometimes you only notice votes when they involve you. You engaged in misleading questioning of me yesterday because my vote moved off my joke "the" vote, and onto you. Now in considering EoD2 you notice Worcej voting for you, but you don't notice him moving off you onto HB.

Are you selectively just looking for people voting you and seeking to shade them?

no

I assume this flippant response is merely an answer to my last sentence.

Could you address the question in bold?

How come you are super focused on certain details, and yet at the same time you are making glaring errors like this one?

I was looking at the time leading up to EOD, not the last few minutes.

[bozotheclown]

What a weird post.

Why are you speculating about what PrincessNeon would think?

Neon is not in this game.

Why bring up a person who is not in the game, speculate about what their reads would be if they were playing, and then insert this fictional read from a non-player into your own commentary?

It was a reference that I think those who are interested in what I am saying will understand.

I am interested in what you are saying, clearly, because I am asking you about it and for some reason you didn't give a clear answer.

I do not understand, which is why I am asking you. Your unwillingness to answer is noted.

In the last game, Neon was concentrating on wagon distribution.

[bozotheclown]

Both your statement and my statement can be true here. I don’t see why that matters because I was here and was still participating.

Bona died because HB made a tie and no one was either going to break it because of either not being here or being fine with his death.

I don't remember you town reading Bonatogether before EOD, why were you confident enough that Bonatogether was town that HB "forcing" a DK of Bonatogether looked bad at that time?

This is also a poor way to describe my thinking about EOD. I felt more likely that you are scum and my vote was on you because of that.

HB’s move forced me out of what I felt confident about and into a realm of “pick the lesser evil” because of his move alone and not because I was outnumbered via voting. I felt that my ability to impact the situation was removed.

Does that make sense to you? Not trying to be aggressive here, just trying to explain my thoughts.

OK, but from HB's point of view, you were trying to force him to DK me. All HB did was make a choice between me and Bonatogether, which is the same thing you did.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, I missed EOD and have some pages to read. Seems I will have some time as I am the number 1 suspect right now and Mafia won't kill me anyway.

Why do you think you are the number 1 suspect?

This is a good question – a lot focus on rdr is recent. How does one know this if they haven't read between EOD and now? Other than being told "people are suspecting you" in Mafia Chat?

Because I read the last pages before posting and people either suspect me or just put me into the POE. And I don't have much to defend myself other then say that as Mafia I look a lot better then this.

[Jamiet99uk]

no

I assume this flippant response is merely an answer to my last sentence.

Could you address the question in bold?

How come you are super focused on certain details, and yet at the same time you are making glaring errors like this one?

I was looking at the time leading up to EOD, not the last few minutes.

Given that this caused you to make a blatantly untrue statement, why were you looking at such a selective fragment of EoD instead of the whole thing??

Sorry Bozo but this doesn't make you look good.

[bozotheclown]

Final Vote Count on D2:

Bonatogether (4) KoalaAttack rdrivera2005 damo666 Hamilton Brian
Hamilton Brian (3) Bonatogether Jamiet99uk worcej
bozotheclown (1) Fluminator
worcej (1) bozotheclown

The grand total of rdrivera votes is 0.

Player Submitted Thoughts to the ghost of ghug – If I went from 0 votes on me EOD to stating I'm the #1 suspect literally in the same post where I just said I haven't caught up on the thread since EOD, would this qualify as a proper "slip"?

You could be right about this. I think rdrivera is basing what he said on the N2 discussion so far, but I believe only damo, Fluminator, and myself have indicated rdrivera being one of our top suspects. Considering I was almost DKed D2, rdrivera considering himself the top suspect could be an indication he is concentrating on the mafia reads that are correct.

[Jamiet99uk]

Who says "xx happened at EoD" while specifically ignoring the last 10 minutes??? .

That is literally when some of the most important EoD events often happens!

[bozotheclown]

I assume this flippant response is merely an answer to my last sentence.

Could you address the question in bold?

How come you are super focused on certain details, and yet at the same time you are making glaring errors like this one?

I was looking at the time leading up to EOD, not the last few minutes.

Given that this caused you to make a blatantly untrue statement, why were you looking at such a selective fragment of EoD instead of the whole thing??

Sorry Bozo but this doesn't make you look good.

My statement was inaccurate, because I should not have said "final vote", but I was looking at the voting regarding how Bonatogether and myself became the top wagons. Again, you are directing attention away from the point I was making.

[bozotheclown]

Why do you think you are the number 1 suspect?

This is a good question – a lot focus on rdr is recent. How does one know this if they haven't read between EOD and now? Other than being told "people are suspecting you" in Mafia Chat?

Because I read the last pages before posting and people either suspect me or just put me into the POE. And I don't have much to defend myself other then say that as Mafia I look a lot better then this.

What do you think you have done that looks bad that you would have avoided as mafia?

[worcej]

I don't remember you town reading Bonatogether before EOD, why were you confident enough that Bonatogether was town that HB "forcing" a DK of Bonatogether looked bad at that time?

You have quoted a post where I said I did not want to kill Bona.

I don't know your reasons why, though.

Why am I seeing circular logic from you so much right now?

If Damo’s vote for rdr was context, how is mine for Bona not a reason?

[worcej]

Final Vote Count on D2:

Bonatogether (4) KoalaAttack rdrivera2005 damo666 Hamilton Brian
Hamilton Brian (3) Bonatogether Jamiet99uk worcej
bozotheclown (1) Fluminator
worcej (1) bozotheclown

The grand total of rdrivera votes is 0.

Player Submitted Thoughts to the ghost of ghug – If I went from 0 votes on me EOD to stating I'm the #1 suspect literally in the same post where I just said I haven't caught up on the thread since EOD, would this qualify as a proper "slip"?

You could be right about this. I think rdrivera is basing what he said on the N2 discussion so far, but I believe only damo, Fluminator, and myself have indicated rdrivera being one of our top suspects. Considering I was almost DKed D2, rdrivera considering himself the top suspect could be an indication he is concentrating on the mafia reads that are correct.

Why are you ignoring me here? I have had a scumlean on rdr since D1.

[worcej]

I don't remember you town reading Bonatogether before EOD, why were you confident enough that Bonatogether was town that HB "forcing" a DK of Bonatogether looked bad at that time?

This is also a poor way to describe my thinking about EOD. I felt more likely that you are scum and my vote was on you because of that.

HB’s move forced me out of what I felt confident about and into a realm of “pick the lesser evil” because of his move alone and not because I was outnumbered via voting. I felt that my ability to impact the situation was removed.

Does that make sense to you? Not trying to be aggressive here, just trying to explain my thoughts.

OK, but from HB's point of view, you were trying to force him to DK me. All HB did was make a choice between me and Bonatogether, which is the same thing you did.

But my choice did not force the board into a tie and cause certain death. When I voted, I voted into a tie with plenty of time left in the day for discussion.

There is a big difference between what I did and HB did.

[bozotheclown]

Well, Ghug was obviously town so it's not a surprise NK.

I still think HR and Flum are town.

I have a lot doubts about Koala, I just don't feel the same Koala of first game but also it's not the same fluffy Koala from last game.

Right now I would say Bozo and Jamiet are my top suspects. Followed by Damo, Bona and Worcej in this order.

Bozo is just forgettable this game which doesn't happen when he is town. And Jamiet reactions seems over the top like he wants to look like angry town Jamiet.

Rdrivera, it appears from this that, at the early part of D2, you had six suspects. Is that right?

No, I had two suspects and 4 that I didn’t have a townread. I would say I still suspect Bozo and you are now on my townreads. Worcej and Damo are my bog doubts now. I don't see a Bozo/Worcej team so maybe it's one of them and Damo.

What happened since the beginning of D2 for Jamie to go from one of your top scum reads to a town read?

[bozotheclown]

Final Vote Count on D2:

Bonatogether (4) KoalaAttack rdrivera2005 damo666 Hamilton Brian
Hamilton Brian (3) Bonatogether Jamiet99uk worcej
bozotheclown (1) Fluminator
worcej (1) bozotheclown

The grand total of rdrivera votes is 0.

Player Submitted Thoughts to the ghost of ghug – If I went from 0 votes on me EOD to stating I'm the #1 suspect literally in the same post where I just said I haven't caught up on the thread since EOD, would this qualify as a proper "slip"?

You could be right about this. I think rdrivera is basing what he said on the N2 discussion so far, but I believe only damo, Fluminator, and myself have indicated rdrivera being one of our top suspects. Considering I was almost DKed D2, rdrivera considering himself the top suspect could be an indication he is concentrating on the mafia reads that are correct.

Why are you ignoring me here? I have had a scumlean on rdr since D1.

Based on D2 I was assuming you suspected me more than rdrivera.

[bozotheclown]

You have quoted a post where I said I did not want to kill Bona.

I don't know your reasons why, though.

Why am I seeing circular logic from you so much right now?

If Damo’s vote for rdr was context, how is mine for Bona not a reason?

I don't know what you mean by your vote for Bonatogether.

[bozotheclown]

This is also a poor way to describe my thinking about EOD. I felt more likely that you are scum and my vote was on you because of that.

HB’s move forced me out of what I felt confident about and into a realm of “pick the lesser evil” because of his move alone and not because I was outnumbered via voting. I felt that my ability to impact the situation was removed.

Does that make sense to you? Not trying to be aggressive here, just trying to explain my thoughts.

OK, but from HB's point of view, you were trying to force him to DK me. All HB did was make a choice between me and Bonatogether, which is the same thing you did.

But my choice did not force the board into a tie and cause certain death. When I voted, I voted into a tie with plenty of time left in the day for discussion.

There is a big difference between what I did and HB did.

Yes, but I think what HB did looks much more town motivated, and not just because I know I am town.