M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[Jamiet99uk]

All my other points above. Also something about your voting pattern D1 reminds me of last game, it's too perfect a timing. Looks so good how you moved to put Kak in the lead, just Mafia Bona would do.

What were you referring to here about Bonatogether putting Kakarroto in the lead?

He didn't, I was wrong – which Bona also pointed out later to his credit, but I ignored his correction because I was tunneled on him for behaving similar to last game in my eyes.

Ah ok you corrected it, nvm.

[Jamiet99uk]

Anyway, I need to cast a vote.

I thought the Bozo tunnel might be scum Bozo, but he improved today.
Só I am not sure anymore.

I think Worcej including TFB on his reads is lazy (or drunk) Worcej but not sure if this is scum Worcej. His defense of himself looks more town angry then scum catched on a scumslip.

I will ##vote Bona because it ties the voting and the voting is pretty still right now.

Apparently damo isn't a consensus...

##vote bozo

I town Jamie hard and have a town-lean on bona far more than I do bozo.

rdrivera and worcej placing their final D2 votes on opposite town wagons for less than compelling reasons is consistent with them being mafia.

Bozo, worcej's final D2 vote was on Hamilton Brian, not you.

You're mistaken to describe that as his "final D2 vote" unless you are telling us that you know for certain that HB is town.

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo seems to have a habit in this game of being mistaken about people's voting intentions.

This is definitely the second time it has happened.

[Jamiet99uk]

You're mistaken to describe that as his "final D2 vote" unless you are telling us that you know for certain that HB is town.

This sentence is clumsy and I should re-phrase it. What I mean is, you (TheBozo) are mistaken to say that you know Worcej's "final D2 vote" was on town, unless you're telling us that you know HB's alignment.

TheBozo, the last time you made this mistake, involving my vote, it was because you were looking at the Bot whilst forgetting the context in which the vote was placed.

This time, can you explain what led to your error? The bot very clearly shows that Worcej's last vote in D2 was for Hamilton Brian. Moreover, the GM's end of day summary also clearly shows Worcej's vote being on HB when day ended. Plus, if you reviewed the events of EoD2, you couldn't fail to notice Worcej shouting at HB for tying the vote, and trying to get a flash-wagon on HB in motion.

It appears that sometimes you only notice votes when they involve you. You engaged in misleading questioning of me yesterday because my vote moved off my joke "the" vote, and onto you. Now in considering EoD2 you notice Worcej voting for you, but you don't notice him moving off you onto HB.

Are you selectively just looking for people voting you and seeking to shade them?

[Jamiet99uk]

Scum to Town, updated:

bozotheclown
rdrivera2005
​Hamilton Brian
damo666
KoalaAttack
worcej
Flumin​ator
Jamiet99uk

Rdrivera has moved up because:

(a) He has been super inactive and his D2 was particularly egregious in this regard. I will re-read if I have time before EoN but I cannot call to mind a single thing he has done which would incline me to townread him.

(b) Rdrivera is dangerous as scum and letting him coast quietly into the endgame would be a serious problem if he is indeed scum.

(c) He just feels off.

Bozo is still at the top of my list after the latest example of being wrong about who Worcej was even voting for at EoD, which, as I said, strikes me as Bozo lazily looking for his own name rather than actually paying attention to everything that is going on. This strikes me as a scum!Bozo meta based on recent experiences.

Hamilton Brian has to be in contention if Bozo is scum, for obvious reasons.

Flum and Worcej scream town to me now and if I'm wrong about either, I'm sorry.

[Hamilton Brian]

I really can't disagree with the read of me. Yesterday's EOD does look absolutely terrible on me. Indefensible, really. EOD I should just refresh this page instead of relying on the bot when I'm on my phone.

[Jamiet99uk]

I really can't disagree with the read of me. Yesterday's EOD does look absolutely terrible on me. Indefensible, really. EOD I should just refresh this page instead of relying on the bot when I'm on my phone.

Well, you're only third on my list.
I want Bozo vs Rdrivera tomorrow, as it stands.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, I missed EOD and have some pages to read. Seems I will have some time as I am the number 1 suspect right now and Mafia won't kill me anyway.

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, Ghug was obviously town so it's not a surprise NK.

I still think HR and Flum are town.

I have a lot doubts about Koala, I just don't feel the same Koala of first game but also it's not the same fluffy Koala from last game.

Right now I would say Bozo and Jamiet are my top suspects. Followed by Damo, Bona and Worcej in this order.

Bozo is just forgettable this game which doesn't happen when he is town. And Jamiet reactions seems over the top like he wants to look like angry town Jamiet.

Rdrivera, it appears from this that, at the early part of D2, you had six suspects. Is that right?

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, I missed EOD and have some pages to read. Seems I will have some time as I am the number 1 suspect right now and Mafia won't kill me anyway.

Why do you think you are the number 1 suspect?

[worcej]

Yeah. I think it may be rdr Koala.

That is actually the primary one on my mind right now. Rdr Worcej makes sense to me too, is that one of your pairs?

After reading how the end of D2 went, I think these are good possibilities. Neon would say rdrivera/worcej or KoalaAttack/worcej are more likely. I would go with rdrivera/worcej right now.

Neon? Like the princess one?

[worcej]

Mid-drive to Dryden, ON atm and unsure how much longer I will have reception.

I town Jamie atm. His vibe is definitely about trying to solve and contribute to the game.
I believe Koala is town but his voting mechanic does not lock him into it.
I think Kak is town with some of his posts about setup, but this could be easy to fake too.
I don’t feel like Flum, ghug, damo, TFB, or Bona have done anything to give me an alignment read.
Bozo hasn’t actually done anything really yet.
HB’s anti-vibe list rubs me the wrong way, but not enough to really make me scum him.
Rdr seemed off to me initially. He’s the most negative opinion I have at this point, so putting a ##vote rdr in to ensure I meet game requirements.

I am speculating/assuming that your vote for Flum isn't serious?

No, my scum pool is currently bozo/damo/rdr

##vote damo

I don’t like damo’s rdr vote and lack of content outside of the Koala stuff as I mentioned.

It is not clear from this why worcej would not like damo’s vote for rdrivera.

Because damo provided no context for it at the time and it felt off-putting.

[worcej]

Apparently damo isn't a consensus...

##vote bozo

I town Jamie hard and have a town-lean on bona far more than I do bozo.

This looks like worcej is trying to pocket Jamie.

If you view everything I do as scum, then yeah I guess it can look like that.

It could also be a town player continuing to reinforce their town read on a player that was almost D1’ed

[worcej]

Anyway, I need to cast a vote.

I thought the Bozo tunnel might be scum Bozo, but he improved today.
Só I am not sure anymore.

I think Worcej including TFB on his reads is lazy (or drunk) Worcej but not sure if this is scum Worcej. His defense of himself looks more town angry then scum catched on a scumslip.

I will ##vote Bona because it ties the voting and the voting is pretty still right now.

Apparently damo isn't a consensus...

##vote bozo

I town Jamie hard and have a town-lean on bona far more than I do bozo.

rdrivera and worcej placing their final D2 votes on opposite town wagons for less than compelling reasons is consistent with them being mafia.

Again, sure - let’s fit every action I do into a narrative that you want.

I was clear about not wanting bona to be killed. I was clear about suspecting you.

[worcej]

I really can't disagree with the read of me. Yesterday's EOD does look absolutely terrible on me. Indefensible, really. EOD I should just refresh this page instead of relying on the bot when I'm on my phone.

It isn’t the worst thing ever, it just sucked from my perspective because I really didn’t think Bona was town and there was only Jamie, Bona, myself, and you here - so you effectively forced a no kill or bona.

Pick your boot straps up and brush off the dust.

[worcej]

Did think* he was town.

Fucking phone.

[bozotheclown]

That is actually the primary one on my mind right now. Rdr Worcej makes sense to me too, is that one of your pairs?

After reading how the end of D2 went, I think these are good possibilities. Neon would say rdrivera/worcej or KoalaAttack/worcej are more likely. I would go with rdrivera/worcej right now.

What a weird post.

Why are you speculating about what PrincessNeon would think?

Neon is not in this game.

Why bring up a person who is not in the game, speculate about what their reads would be if they were playing, and then insert this fictional read from a non-player into your own commentary?

It was a reference that I think those who are interested in what I am saying will understand.

[bozotheclown]

Anyway, I need to cast a vote.

I thought the Bozo tunnel might be scum Bozo, but he improved today.
Só I am not sure anymore.

I think Worcej including TFB on his reads is lazy (or drunk) Worcej but not sure if this is scum Worcej. His defense of himself looks more town angry then scum catched on a scumslip.

I will ##vote Bona because it ties the voting and the voting is pretty still right now.

Apparently damo isn't a consensus...

##vote bozo

I town Jamie hard and have a town-lean on bona far more than I do bozo.

rdrivera and worcej placing their final D2 votes on opposite town wagons for less than compelling reasons is consistent with them being mafia.

Bozo, worcej's final D2 vote was on Hamilton Brian, not you.

You're mistaken to describe that as his "final D2 vote" unless you are telling us that you know for certain that HB is town.

Yes, saying that was worcej's final vote was not accurate. However, worcej town reading Bonatogether and voting for HB at EOD was still the opposite position from rdrivera.

[bozotheclown]

You're mistaken to describe that as his "final D2 vote" unless you are telling us that you know for certain that HB is town.

This sentence is clumsy and I should re-phrase it. What I mean is, you (TheBozo) are mistaken to say that you know Worcej's "final D2 vote" was on town, unless you're telling us that you know HB's alignment.

TheBozo, the last time you made this mistake, involving my vote, it was because you were looking at the Bot whilst forgetting the context in which the vote was placed.

This time, can you explain what led to your error? The bot very clearly shows that Worcej's last vote in D2 was for Hamilton Brian. Moreover, the GM's end of day summary also clearly shows Worcej's vote being on HB when day ended. Plus, if you reviewed the events of EoD2, you couldn't fail to notice Worcej shouting at HB for tying the vote, and trying to get a flash-wagon on HB in motion.

It appears that sometimes you only notice votes when they involve you. You engaged in misleading questioning of me yesterday because my vote moved off my joke "the" vote, and onto you. Now in considering EoD2 you notice Worcej voting for you, but you don't notice him moving off you onto HB.

Are you selectively just looking for people voting you and seeking to shade them?

no

[bozotheclown]

Scum to Town, updated:

bozotheclown
rdrivera2005
​Hamilton Brian
damo666
KoalaAttack
worcej
Flumin​ator
Jamiet99uk

Rdrivera has moved up because:

(a) He has been super inactive and his D2 was particularly egregious in this regard. I will re-read if I have time before EoN but I cannot call to mind a single thing he has done which would incline me to townread him.

(b) Rdrivera is dangerous as scum and letting him coast quietly into the endgame would be a serious problem if he is indeed scum.

(c) He just feels off.

Bozo is still at the top of my list after the latest example of being wrong about who Worcej was even voting for at EoD, which, as I said, strikes me as Bozo lazily looking for his own name rather than actually paying attention to everything that is going on. This strikes me as a scum!Bozo meta based on recent experiences.

Hamilton Brian has to be in contention if Bozo is scum, for obvious reasons.

Flum and Worcej scream town to me now and if I'm wrong about either, I'm sorry.

What makes you think worcej is likely to be town, other than his "strong" town read of you?