M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't have any particular scumread and statistically I ought to vote between Bona rdr and Koala. Having said I'll move off K it's a toss up. Let's try ##vote rdr

I like this vote but hate the lack of game reasoning beyond causing chaos.

Again, more of not doing much from damo.

I've narrowed it down to 9 pairs. I think that's achieving something.

And how did you do that exactly?

Show your working.

[Jamiet99uk]

More votes for Bozotheclown please.
Follow me, riders of Rohan!

[damo666]

I like this vote but hate the lack of game reasoning beyond causing chaos.

Again, more of not doing much from damo.

I've narrowed it down to 9 pairs. I think that's achieving something.

And how did you do that exactly?

Show your working.

I listed 5 possible scum (10 pairs).
I disregarded Bozo worcej due to the Bozo post.

10-1=9

[Jamiet99uk]

So you have a 5 peep scumpool and you've discounted Worcej and Bozo being partners.

That's something but it's not much.

Would you vote for Bozo? Rdrivera is highly unlikely to flip today.

[bozotheclown]

I think it's silly to vote potential bussers the round immediately after

I agree that we should not jump to the bussing possibilities today, so that excludes damo, HB, and KoalaAttack. Of the remaining players, you and rdrivera have down the most to make me think you are town. That leaves worcej, Bonatogether, and Jamiet, so I think the DK should be in that group.

[bozotheclown]

So you have a 5 peep scumpool and you've discounted Worcej and Bozo being partners.

That's something but it's not much.

Would you vote for Bozo? Rdrivera is highly unlikely to flip today.

If you are town I suggest you look at worcej and Bonatogether, I think they are as likely to be mafia as you.

[bozotheclown]

m70

I reviewed that game and I did not see any place where you used the same justification for suspecting I was mafia. It seems like you just picked a game where you correctly suspected I was mafia even though it does not support this claim:

yes
i once got him with it before

i got you on something good in that game

OK, but it was the not reason you stated, which make what you said look like a fabrication.

[Bonatogether]

I reviewed that game and I did not see any place where you used the same justification for suspecting I was mafia. It seems like you just picked a game where you correctly suspected I was mafia even though it does not support this claim:

i got you on something good in that game

OK, but it was the not reason you stated, which make what you said look like a fabrication.

i never fabricate shit

[bozotheclown]

Bozo’s case against Jamie comes off as an OMGUS, which is indeed not something I am used to seeing from him.

This seems like another example of what HB was talking about, possibly an attempt to draw attention to suspicion on potential mis-kills.

The irony here is it’s exactly what you’re doing too and seem to have tried to execute with Jamie and you are now jumping ship to me off of HB’s vote.

I voted for you when I suspected you. I also think you are misrepresenting my suspicion of Jamiet. I voted for him D1 because he and ghug were voting for each other and I wanted to see how serious they were about their votes. I now find it suspicious that he starting pushing to get me DKed D1 as soon as Kakarroto became a top wagon.

[bozotheclown]

i got you on something good in that game

OK, but it was the not reason you stated, which make what you said look like a fabrication.

i never fabricate shit

You do as mafia.

[bozotheclown]

You all are so scummy. I'll look into worcej soon.

##vote bozo

I do actually like Jamiet's point that Bozo knows that we were all joking there (he was joking with us) so it's a bit weird he's saying Jamiet was serious with his flyingboat vote now.

I was looking at the bot when I posted this:

There were 3 wagons with 3 votes each.

What did you not like about the KoalaAttack and Kakarroto wagons? Why did you no longer like the TFB wagon, which you left to vote for me?

At the time I was not thinking about how Jamiet originally voted for TFB.

However, that does not change the basis for my question, because TFB was an available wagon.

No no Bozo, you don't get away that easily.

It DOES change the context of your question, because your question presumes I went from actually wanting to daykill TFB, to changing my mind and wanting to kill you. You now know that wasn't the case, ever. I didn't change my mind about TFB. I never genuinely intended to end the phase on his wagon. I voted for you.

As I said, at the time I asked that I did not check into the progression of your TFB vote. Earlier than you final vote that was recorded as a TFB vote, you made what I assume was a serious vote for TFB, so I don't think it is accurate for you to say you never had any suspicion of TFB:

So you have reason to believe he is lurking deliberately and could actually participate?

A most terrible crime.

##Vote TheFlyingBurritoBrothers.

[bozotheclown]

@BOZOTHECLOWN

Could you actually address my posts and not just side-step me?

Thank you in advance.

I thought I addressed any question you had. At the time I voted for you D1, I did not have any significant scum suspects, but there were players I thought were more likely to be town. Then, when you starting pushing to get me DKed in the last hour of D1 with the only reason that I could identify being my vote for you, I thought it was possible you were trying to protect someone. Then, we found out Kakarroto was mafia, and it turned out that your push to get me DKed started 1 minute after Kakarroto became tied with TFB and Kakarroto as the top wagon.

[bozotheclown]

Well not much of a surprise NK.

I think the scumpair are within {Bona, bozo, Koala, rdr , worcej} but not specifically {bozo, worcej}.

If any of my assumed town have a strong argument why one or more of my scumpool can be moved to townpool please shout.

I will respond even though I am not one of your assumed town. Although it is possible Kakarroto was bussing KoalaAttack, I think that theory can wait. I though rdrivera's comments on Fluminator's reaction test and the responses to it seemed reasonable and town motivated. Since I am town, I think Bonatogether or worcej would be the best vote today base on you current assumptions.

[Jamiet99uk]

This seems like another example of what HB was talking about, possibly an attempt to draw attention to suspicion on potential mis-kills.

The irony here is it’s exactly what you’re doing too and seem to have tried to execute with Jamie and you are now jumping ship to me off of HB’s vote.

I voted for you when I suspected you. I also think you are misrepresenting my suspicion of Jamiet. I voted for him D1 because he and ghug were voting for each other and I wanted to see how serious they were about their votes. I now find it suspicious that he starting pushing to get me DKed D1 as soon as Kakarroto became a top wagon.

That is not correct, in terms of the timing, Bozo.

I first raised suspicions about you on Page 19 when you appeared to be attempting to out the PRs.

I then indicated a desire to vote you, and began to push you, on page 26, about 3 hours before EoD. At that time the Kak wagon had actually lost momentum - it had gone down from 3 votes to only 2 votes, due to Damo moving off Kak and onto me.

Go back and check if you don't believe me.

Yet again it appears you are attempting to portray a false narrative regarding my D1 votes and related activity. Why is this?

[bozotheclown]

More votes for Bozotheclown please.
Follow me, riders of Rohan!

You did not answer my question about this generalization:

##VOTE BOZO

He briefly turns up, shades me, doesn't address anything I said overnight, and leaves.

Lazy Bozo is Scum Bozo.

You were GM the last time I was mafia, if I go read the discord for that game, will I find comments from you about how I was obviously mafia because of the lack of effort I was making?

[Jamiet99uk]

As I said, at the time I asked that I did not check into the progression of your TFB vote. Earlier than you final vote that was recorded as a TFB vote, you made what I assume was a serious vote for TFB, so I don't think it is accurate for you to say you never had any suspicion of TFB:

So you have reason to believe he is lurking deliberately and could actually participate?

A most terrible crime.

##Vote TheFlyingBurritoBrothers.

As you can clearly see from the thing you are actually quoting, I was voting him to pressure him into participating. He then did participate. You know how keen I am on participation.

[Jamiet99uk]

More votes for Bozotheclown please.
Follow me, riders of Rohan!

You did not answer my question about this generalization:

##VOTE BOZO

He briefly turns up, shades me, doesn't address anything I said overnight, and leaves.

Lazy Bozo is Scum Bozo.

You were GM the last time I was mafia, if I go read the discord for that game, will I find comments from you about how I was obviously mafia because of the lack of effort I was making?

Since you ask, I have just checked the M77 Discord. Amusingly there are comments in there from both Dargorygel and Pyxxy, about how you looked scummy because you appeared pretty lazy! Isn't that amusing? I think it's amusing. It amuses me.

[bozotheclown]

The irony here is it’s exactly what you’re doing too and seem to have tried to execute with Jamie and you are now jumping ship to me off of HB’s vote.

I voted for you when I suspected you. I also think you are misrepresenting my suspicion of Jamiet. I voted for him D1 because he and ghug were voting for each other and I wanted to see how serious they were about their votes. I now find it suspicious that he starting pushing to get me DKed D1 as soon as Kakarroto became a top wagon.

That is not correct, in terms of the timing, Bozo.

I first raised suspicions about you on Page 19 when you appeared to be attempting to out the PRs.

I then indicated a desire to vote you, and began to push you, on page 26, about 3 hours before EoD. At that time the Kak wagon had actually lost momentum - it had gone down from 3 votes to only 2 votes, due to Damo moving off Kak and onto me.

Go back and check if you don't believe me.

Yet again it appears you are attempting to portray a false narrative regarding my D1 votes and related activity. Why is this?

I did not say you did not indicate any suspicion me earlier than EOD. However, here is the sequence I was talking about:

I'll switch off of TFB. Got me thinking about Kak. They've been gone for hours, and didn't indicate as such so I hope they're ok.
However, their final post has me rethinking and I don't love the post.

##VOTE Kakarroto

##VOTE Bozo

For saying that my behaviour appeared to be a way I would behave as Mafia, voting for me, and then saying he didn't think I was Mafia aligned.

Town Bozo is better than this.

Anyone else wanna join me on Bozo?

HB's vote for Kakarroto put him at 3 votes, tied for the lead. One minute later, you voted for me. One minute after that, you actively tried to get other player to vote for me.

[Jamiet99uk]

@BOZOTHECLOWN

Could you actually address my posts and not just side-step me?

Thank you in advance.

I thought I addressed any question you had. At the time I voted for you D1, I did not have any significant scum suspects, but there were players I thought were more likely to be town. Then, when you starting pushing to get me DKed in the last hour of D1 with the only reason that I could identify being my vote for you, I thought it was possible you were trying to protect someone. Then, we found out Kakarroto was mafia, and it turned out that your push to get me DKed started 1 minute after Kakarroto became tied with TFB and Kakarroto as the top wagon.

Repeating this false narrative does not make it true, scumbozo.

[bozotheclown]

As I said, at the time I asked that I did not check into the progression of your TFB vote. Earlier than you final vote that was recorded as a TFB vote, you made what I assume was a serious vote for TFB, so I don't think it is accurate for you to say you never had any suspicion of TFB:

So you have reason to believe he is lurking deliberately and could actually participate?

A most terrible crime.

##Vote TheFlyingBurritoBrothers.

As you can clearly see from the thing you are actually quoting, I was voting him to pressure him into participating. He then did participate. You know how keen I am on participation.

OK, but you should be able to see why checking the bot and seeing you kept your vote on TFB for over 2 hours leading up to EOD, I assumed you suspected him.