M1024: Panhandlin' [GAME THREAD]

[Hamilton Brian]

I like this case, and worcej is in my POE based on everyone's interaction with Kakarroto.

##VOTE worcej

I am not sure I like anyone following me along on worcej for "my case." It's the worst damned pile of mishmash "feelings" and I still haven't worked through each component to weigh how logical it is or how reasonable it is.

[Hamilton Brian]

Regardless of any outcome today, I think the information we get will be substantial. We need it to kick this game into gear.

[Hamilton Brian]

Bozo has two votes right now. What's your current thoughts on him?

I don't like the wagon. Do I townread bozo? Not necessarily, but I also don't read them as mafia. I am not seeing the issues as per jamie's claim. Let's call them a good flip but not today.

[Fluminator]

I started doing a meta dive but got distracted with the Rumi breakdown in one of the games

[Fluminator]

I can't say I notice a huge difference between scum and town worcej looking at his history but he's frustratingly reactive and not proactive at all this game.

[Fluminator]

What's your scum tell worcej?

[Fluminator]

I want to say, it's quite scummy worcej forgot TFB was dead the more I think about it.
I played with scum worcej before and we just viewed the game in terms of potential miskills and we didn't really track the game players as a whole. I much easier picture scum worcej forgetting than town worcej.

[Fluminator]

@worc you have said many times throughout the game you don't like the pushback koala is receiving.

Which people specifically are you worried about pushing against him

[worcej]

Koala stronger here, bona less so.

Bona, there's this...I don't know what the fuck it is, but shit does it just not rub me bloodily-chaffed raw. I think we've danced around it in previous games. Sometimes I read you right, sometimes I read you wrong. Jamie has his Bozo. I think HB has his Bona. This time, I think you are grossly mafia.

Worcej vs Bona is going to be good EOD2.

I find it interesting that you keep saying it will be bona when the votes say otherwise here.

[worcej]

I want to say, it's quite scummy worcej forgot TFB was dead the more I think about it.
I played with scum worcej before and we just viewed the game in terms of potential miskills and we didn't really track the game players as a whole. I much easier picture scum worcej forgetting than town worcej.

I honestly cannot argue against this. I was in the hotel bar drinking and saw the statement from you about being interested in killing in non-posters and I swear I saw TFB in that list.

If that gets me killed here, I am sorry for being drunk and causing a MK that even I would be pushing for here.

[worcej]

I can't say I notice a huge difference between scum and town worcej looking at his history but he's frustratingly reactive and not proactive at all this game.

This is a symptom of traveling and having to play more catchup than actively critiquing. This is probably going to be a lot more common with my change in job.

I would also say that I generally don’t build cases on players because typically they were a waste of my energy (few listened and the cases in hindsight sucked due to me hyper focusing on the player) and instead I pay attention to what players are saying and doing and provide my observations.

[worcej]

@worc you have said many times throughout the game you don't like the pushback koala is receiving.

Which people specifically are you worried about pushing against him

I didn’t like ghugs at the time because I felt like he was joining in and buddying Jamie.

Right now I don’t like damo’s because it feels like he is hiding behind that and isn’t doing anything other than keep koala’s shade floating.

[worcej]

You all are so scummy. I'll look into worcej soon.

##vote bozo

I do actually like Jamiet's point that Bozo knows that we were all joking there (he was joking with us) so it's a bit weird he's saying Jamiet was serious with his flyingboat vote now.

Bozo’s case against Jamie comes off as an OMGUS, which is indeed not something I am used to seeing from him.

This seems like another example of what HB was talking about, possibly an attempt to draw attention to suspicion on potential mis-kills.

The irony here is it’s exactly what you’re doing too and seem to have tried to execute with Jamie and you are now jumping ship to me off of HB’s vote.

[worcej]

What's your scum tell worcej?

It used to be if I was being nice and not confrontational.

I don’t think that applies as much now and days because I am trying to be less of a shitlord in general now.

[Fluminator]

I can't say I notice a huge difference between scum and town worcej looking at his history but he's frustratingly reactive and not proactive at all this game.

This is a symptom of traveling and having to play more catchup than actively critiquing. This is probably going to be a lot more common with my change in job.

I would also say that I generally don’t build cases on players because typically they were a waste of my energy (few listened and the cases in hindsight sucked due to me hyper focusing on the player) and instead I pay attention to what players are saying and doing and provide my observations.

That's fair

[worcej]

I started doing a meta dive but got distracted with the Rumi breakdown in one of the games

Is this one of my shitlord times?

I’ve had too many to remember them all…

[Fluminator]

I won't be around during deadline, have to do nerdy stuff like play D&D

I could see arguments for the following 5: If I come back and someone outside of these 5 are dead I will smh. (although I'll check in for a bit still)

Koala: I think he was genuinely offended by Damo's vote on him for finding him annoying, which I think is more likely town. I think he's done enough today to not be the kill, but I understand why people and ghug suspected him.

Rdr: I gave him a lot of space today to see if he'd pick it up, and he honestly hasn't really yet. But he's accurate enough as town usually I think we give him at least today to vote a mafia kill and give him a chance to clear himself that way.

Bona: He improved a little when he came back and I'd lean town on him based on that maybe, but I was very wrong on him last game so I don't trust that fully lol. I still find his eod1 pretty scummy.

Bozo: I'm not fully convinced one way or the other on his case after the jokevoting and he is giving off a vibe of not being super engaged in the hunt.

Worcej: Forgot TFB was dead, but apparently mixed up Kak and Karr too which if genuine is less scummy but easily faked. Unless they're all 3 scum lol

[worcej]

I can't say I notice a huge difference between scum and town worcej looking at his history but he's frustratingly reactive and not proactive at all this game.

This is a symptom of traveling and having to play more catchup than actively critiquing. This is probably going to be a lot more common with my change in job.

I would also say that I generally don’t build cases on players because typically they were a waste of my energy (few listened and the cases in hindsight sucked due to me hyper focusing on the player) and instead I pay attention to what players are saying and doing and provide my observations.

That's fair

That all being said - I am not shocked to see where someone would arrive to a conclusion that I am trying to soft-push and set up MK’s, but in this case the first person to say so (HB) is referring to a time when I was pushing on Jamie and didn’t even scum HB. I already brought it up to HB, but it seems odd he felt so off about that interaction since he wasn’t the target of my attention.

Now, bozo is trying to jump in and this gives me far more scum vibes because it is weak and just as equally applicable to himself right now after his poor push on Jamie.

[worcej]

Well not much of a surprise NK.

I think the scumpair are within {Bona, bozo, Koala, rdr , worcej} but not specifically {bozo, worcej}.

If any of my assumed town have a strong argument why one or more of my scumpool can be moved to townpool please shout.

I don't have any particular scumread and statistically I ought to vote between Bona rdr and Koala. Having said I'll move off K it's a toss up. Let's try ##vote rdr

I like this vote but hate the lack of game reasoning beyond causing chaos.

Again, more of not doing much from damo.

[Hamilton Brian]

That all being said - I am not shocked to see where someone would arrive to a conclusion that I am trying to soft-push and set up MK’s, but in this case the first person to say so (HB) is referring to a time when I was pushing on Jamie and didn’t even scum HB. I already brought it up to HB, but it seems odd he felt so off about that interaction since he wasn’t the target of my attention.

Now, bozo is trying to jump in and this gives me far more scum vibes because it is weak and just as equally applicable to himself right now after his poor push on Jamie.

I am probably not going to make myself clear here, but I'll try. Regarding the bolded section, I think there are some things to consider. This event happened early in the dayphase. I think a skilled mafia would be able to engage with someone, perhaps even passively, and pick up on a suspicion or doubt that the individual have. Challenging the other party allows that suspicion to still fill up the airspace.

I know it's convoluted.

The more I think about it, the more I read your latest thoughts, the more I doubt my own line of thinking.