MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Day 1:
BunnyGo (9): brainbomb, Fluminator, Bonatogether, damo666, BK3K, TheFlyingBoat, KoalaAttack, lfischl, ghug
Bonatogether (4): swordsman3003, President Eden, BunnyGo, Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat (2): bozotheclown, rdrivera2005

Day 2:
ghug (5): rdrivera2005, brainbomb, President Eden, damo666, bozotheclown
damo666 (3): TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, ghug
President Eden (2): BK3K, lfischl
BK3K (1): KoalaAttack
KoalaAttack (1): Chaqa

Day 3:
damo666 (10): President Eden*, Chaqa*, TheFlyingBoat, Bonatogether, rdrivera2005, BK3K*, brainbomb, KoalaAttack, lfischl, bozotheclown
Chaqa (1): Princess Neon*
TheFlyingBoat (1): damo666*

Day 4:
President Eden (5): Bonatogether, rdrivera2005, BK3K, bozotheclown, Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat (3): President Eden, lfischl
Chaqa (1): KoalaAttack
rdrivera2005 (1): Princess Neon*
lfischl (1): TheFlyingBoat

Day 5:
Princess Neon (5): Bonatogether*, KoalaAttack*, BK3K*, Chaqa*, Princess Neon*
lfischl (1): TheFlyingBoat

[Chaqa]

Big thoughts:
1. I personally know that all mafia besides Eden were voting for Bunny on Day 1, which I find quite interesting. Especially given that ghug piled on near EOD. Eden also voted for TFB for a lot of the day, so it's weird he shied away from it later. Maybe a sign of Eden not wanting to push his teammate too far?

2. Does scum!Lfischl really vote for Eden on Day 2 when he did? Ghug had also been voting for Lfischl a bit earlier.

3. I'm trying to figure out what lead Eden to switch back from Damo to ghug. This move was really weird. Presumably he knew Damo would shift to whatever wagon was optimal.

4. B3K and Lfischl also voted Eden here. I find it hard to believe that would be what scum does there twice. Notably, Lfischl NEVER discusses Eden on Night 2 or Day 3. Not once. By Day 4 it's as if he never suspected Eden. This is the most damning thing to me. B3K continued to suspect Eden.

I've highlighted in green the most compelling thing I've found so far.

##Vote Lfischl

[Chaqa]

I think mafia came into Day 4 with the plan to get me out,and as a backup either kill or bus TFB.

At this point Bona and B3K are towncore.

I think it's Lfischl and then either TFB or Koala.

[Chaqa]

The above green is about Day 2, btw.

[KoalaAttack]

In case I die, my new Suspect List stack-rank is:

(1) lfischl – continues not engaging & watching the train wreck
(2) Chaqa – accept their "this is who I am", but respond in kind **
** if lfischl is Mafia I'd seriously reconsider Chaqa, pairing is too obvious
...
(3) TFB – actions speak louder than words
(4) Bozo – solving yet still didn't address my questions
...
(5) Bona – mostly due to others being *more* Suspicious
(6) BK3K – mostly due to others being *more* Suspicious

TFB and lfischl have not posted anything recently to indicate they are town, so if it was up to me I would DK one of them next. Since we have no mis-kills left, the order does not matter.

Based on reading through all of Bozo's post from the Night, and also this, I update my list to:
(1) lfischl
(2) TFB
(3) Chaqa
...
(4) BK3K
(5) Bona


I think a good question to ask everyone is – who would you be willing to vote today, given we have no mis-kills left (and assuming we are not adopting the "no vote" strategy).

I would vote lfischl, Chaqa, or TFB today. I know there are only 2 Mafias left and that's 3 people, but I feel we are at a stage where we have to take a risk to win.

I would not be comfortable voting Bona or BK3K today – I wouldn't quite clear them as strongly as Chaqa did, but I think we can come back to this after the first flip. I would prefer to do the No Kill strategy over voting Bona or BK3K today.

[Bonatogether]

sorry for inactivity, know it's mylo

trying to figure out some computer shit with a friend

[KoalaAttack]

Can you please elaborate on the classic debate? Wouldn't holding simply run down the timer to give the Mafia team another NK? And then another? Until they win?

We can vote no kill today and force mafia to make a kill on someone, eliminating a suspect. Since we don't have anyone who is universally townread, it may be a good option.

Thank you


Can you also please answer this:

Also, how is this different from what Balki proposed last game? Or is it the same? I didn't pay as close attention after I died, but we lost the last game though...

[BK3K]

##vote Chaqa

Very sus

[Chaqa]

Can you please elaborate on the classic debate? Wouldn't holding simply run down the timer to give the Mafia team another NK? And then another? Until they win?

Also, how is this different from what Balki proposed last game? Or is it the same? I didn't pay as close attention after I died, but we lost the last game though...

TBH I don't remember Balki's exact proposal. Was it simply a no-kill?

[Chaqa]

##vote Chaqa

Very sus

What?

[BK3K]

##vote Chaqa

Very sus

What?

Think about it

[Chaqa]

I mean, why am I sus?

[BK3K]

I mean, why am I sus?

Always have been

[KoalaAttack]

Can you please elaborate on the classic debate? Wouldn't holding simply run down the timer to give the Mafia team another NK? And then another? Until they win?

Also, how is this different from what Balki proposed last game? Or is it the same? I didn't pay as close attention after I died, but we lost the last game though...

TBH I don't remember Balki's exact proposal. Was it simply a no-kill?

I don't know – that's what I'm asking! I skimmed it from the ghost thread, since The Evil Soulless already performed koalacide by then. You were the one actively playing through it!

http://mafia.peterlund.se/m77/m77_d5.html

And lfischl was in the last game too, but as one of The Evil Soulless who was also already dead by this point. I guess lfischl, if you are suddenly coming back with a Bona-style FrankenPost solving the game for us, please include your thoughts on this too.

I know this No Kill strategy failed last game. I also know that last game was different with fancy PR roles and what-not. I'm trying to understand how the implications might be different this time around.

In fact, I'll play that "newbie card" again – any input from experiences players would be helpful!

[Chaqa]

Also, how is this different from what Balki proposed last game? Or is it the same? I didn't pay as close attention after I died, but we lost the last game though...

TBH I don't remember Balki's exact proposal. Was it simply a no-kill?

I don't know – that's what I'm asking! I skimmed it from the ghost thread, since The Evil Soulless already performed koalacide by then. You were the one actively playing through it!

http://mafia.peterlund.se/m77/m77_d5.html

And lfischl was in the last game too, but as one of The Evil Soulless who was also already dead by this point. I guess lfischl, if you are suddenly coming back with a Bona-style FrankenPost solving the game for us, please include your thoughts on this too.

I know this No Kill strategy failed last game. I also know that last game was different with fancy PR roles and what-not. I'm trying to understand how the implications might be different this time around.

In fact, I'll play that "newbie card" again – any input from experiences players would be helpful!

Ah yeah, that was the same logic there. It's pretty standard when to no kill if either there's PRs that may have upside from an "extra" night phase and also in cases like this where there's no clear-ish town.

Though I think arguably Bona is clear enough that we shouldn't no kill.

[KoalaAttack]

Ah yeah, that was the same logic there. It's pretty standard when to no kill if either there's PRs that may have upside from an "extra" night phase and also in cases like this where there's no clear-ish town.

Though I think arguably Bona is clear enough that we shouldn't no kill.

I think I'm going to attempt a mini FrankenPost here – Bona grade my efforts!


So here is the thing that jumps out at me now that I looked at that last game again.

Here is Town Chaqa last game in the same exact situation arguing for No Kill:

##Vote no-kill
##end
Seems straightforward today.

Popping back in to say I am not moving my vote.
Since Bunny is potentially CWV, then we are frankly idiots if we do anything else. Make mafia either take the risk and kill him, or eliminate from the VT pool.
There is no more optimal play.
<snip>

On principle I'm against voting here. It's irresponsible.

I am flabbergasted that you guys want to vote here.

Even if I was suspicious of Bozo I would still vote no kill.
I’d even vote no kill if you guys tried to daykill Damo.
I just don’t think it’s a good play.

<quote>
I don’t contemplate hypotheticals.
I’ll evaluate then.
I’m not voting

<quote>
I’m not fuckung voting at MYLO

And here is Chaqa this game:

There's six of us left.

BK3K
Bonatogether
Chaqa
KoalaAttack
lfischl
TheFlyingBoat

I don't know that there is someone among us who is a consensus read as town.

With a 4-2 spread, we have the classic debate as to whether we vote or hold for tomorrow.

Big thoughts:
<snip>
##Vote Lfischl

TLDR: Town Chaqa was religiously-adamant about thye No Vote, culminating in a "I’m not fuckung voting at MYLO" ... Our current Chaqa went from "a classic debate" to a vote within the span of a couple of hours.

Suspicious.

I am not moving off lfischl until lfischl speaks on principle, but I am upgrading it back to:
(1) lfischl
(2) Chaqa
(3) TFB

[dargorygel]

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Vote Hand Count
Lfischl (2 hands raised) KoalaAttack, Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat (1 hand raised) bonatogether
Chaqa (1 hand raised) BK3K

lfishchl is lfischllly in the lead.

lotsa lotsa lotsa time left.

[BK3K]

This is a result of our anatomy.

This is my favorite quote from the whole game

[BK3K]

This is a result of our anatomy.

This is my favorite quote from the whole game

Fish are able to breathe under water. This is because that's how fish are.

[Chaqa]

@Koala: because I thought Bunny was the CWV.

Making mafia kill him (when I thought that) or narrowing our PoE was a good play.