MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[BK3K]

I miss day 1 where we only shit post

OK never mind :)

Fwiw, i kinda trust you

[Bonatogether]

TL;DR for you nerds

eden is scum for changing reads every phase change, for openly communicating with ghug in the thread, for making big cases and then failing to stick to his guns, and for being unable to keep a consistent read on me.

also i like fischy

Just for full disclosure, I don't remember exactly when I decided to skip to the TLDR, but I definitely didn't read all this.

- Changing reads every phase isn't scummy, and I'm not even sure that I did this anyway. My scum suspects were pretty clearly expressed from N1 til now, when new data falsified my theory. My town reads might have fluctuated more, but without having done a detailed review of all things Eden, I would bet a lot of money that that's pretty normal for me, and normal for most players, too.
- I guess I have to reread what you actually said about me and ghug "communicating openly" or whatever because I don't know what you mean by this. Unfortunately you made the post virtually unreadably long so I can't promise I'll actually do that.
- I stuck to my guns pretty hard within the duo of damo and ghug, who were the two people I cased N1. If anything I think I have been better about sticking to my guns than normal, because I am notorious for letting mafia off the hook. I'm pretty disappointed in myself for not seeing warning signs with damo, but it's not too surprising that that happened after I made an effort to stay on-task more than I usually do. I definitely went back and forth within that duo, but I suspected both of them, so who cares? When presented with the choice between the scum and the town in that group, I killed the scum.
- Why would I be expected to have a consistent read on you when your own play hasn't warranted it? You go back and forth between straight up not being in the thread, to being here and not doing anything, to dropping massive unreadable wall bombs like this. The first one is just unlike you as either alignment, the second one is typical of scum you, the last is typical of town you. I have a sneaking feeling this is the actual reason for your interest and that you decided to make everything else fit your angst at not being townread when on balance you don't deserve to be

it's hard for me to full rebut these points if you're not going to read my post lmfao

1) changing your primary scumread every phase is scummy, especially when you make big pushes at night that you switch up during the day, oftentimes without a lot of in-thread explanation.

2) mfw he hasn't read the post. what can i even say

3) there were times that you swung around, and with things like your bozo case, you just don't mention it again, but you make a new chaqa case after leaving your old one. also, this in in my post that you didn't read, but how did i go from 'near locktown' to 'null' in the space of about 24 hours? now you're shading me? what's the deal with that?

4) for starters, i'm the same person with the same role. the times i've been inactive were because i was with visiting family (which i stated in the thread) or because i was in school. i focused on your read on me because it's the topic i'm most qualified to speak about, as i know my own role, but i'm sure that the pattern holds for other people as well.

[KoalaAttack]

After i expressed suspicion on Eden, bona posted a novel that i refuse to read in full against Eden. Koala also posts Eden evidence. My thought is, are these legit? Or are these posts trying to sway me to a MK direction

Other townies weigh in. If you're scum, you're not allowed to reply. Or else I'll do to you whatever Eden threatened to do to me (still unclear).

Thanks!
Brian

I can not speak to the monstrosity that Bona posted, plus I have my own suspicions against Bona still.

But as for myself, two points I'd like to share:

Point 1:

I just realized that waiting until tomorrow to post a Suspects List would be a mistake and a lost opportunity in case Mafia does kill me and you miss out on the opportunity to get the benefit of validating my authenticity through that.

So, here is my updated list:

Koala's Suspects List 3.0
(1) Chaqa – <snip>
(2) Princess Neon – <snip>
(3) President Eden – <snip>
(4) Bona – <snip>

Koala's NAI List:
(5) Damo – <snip>
(6) TFB – <snip>
(7) BK3K – <snip>
(8) lfishl – <snip>

Koala's [Temporarily] Cleared of Suspicion List:
(9) & (10) – rdrivera & Bozo – <snip>
(11) – brainbomb – <snip>

This was way back at N2 already.


Point 2: You are now a self-declared all-vibes player. I am clearly an all-logic player. Not sure how I'd go about convincing you – but assuming you are Town, any advice you've got is super welcome so I can do it better to get you to vote for my Logical Suspects instead of your Random Vibes!

[President Eden]

You're on the B-train now?

You three + Koala are the only ones who aren't effective clears who I haven't reread since damo flipped

[dargorygel]

GM Note (done doing something... thanks jamie!!!!!)

damo666 is dead. He was a vanilla666 town666

[BK3K]

After i expressed suspicion on Eden, bona posted a novel that i refuse to read in full against Eden. Koala also posts Eden evidence. My thought is, are these legit? Or are these posts trying to sway me to a MK direction

Other townies weigh in. If you're scum, you're not allowed to reply. Or else I'll do to you whatever Eden threatened to do to me (still unclear).

Thanks!
Brian

I can not speak to the monstrosity that Bona posted, plus I have my own suspicions against Bona still.

But as for myself, two points I'd like to share:

Point 1:

I just realized that waiting until tomorrow to post a Suspects List would be a mistake and a lost opportunity in case Mafia does kill me and you miss out on the opportunity to get the benefit of validating my authenticity through that.

So, here is my updated list:

Koala's Suspects List 3.0
(1) Chaqa – <snip>
(2) Princess Neon – <snip>
(3) President Eden – <snip>
(4) Bona – <snip>

Koala's NAI List:
(5) Damo – <snip>
(6) TFB – <snip>
(7) BK3K – <snip>
(8) lfishl – <snip>

Koala's [Temporarily] Cleared of Suspicion List:
(9) & (10) – rdrivera & Bozo – <snip>
(11) – brainbomb – <snip>

This was way back at N2 already.


Point 2: You are now a self-declared all-vibes player. I am clearly an all-logic player. Not sure how I'd go about convincing you – but assuming you are Town, any advice you've got is super welcome so I can do it better to get you to vote for my Logical Suspects instead of your Random Vibes!

How to get me on board? Post the TL;DR version of your theory. If you expect me to remember how someone said someone on page 41, you're expecting too much. If you expect me to read 10 ISO posts with the context missing, you're expecting to much.

I recognize that my lack of reading is probably annoying to the other players, but that's the only way i can play. I am incapable of reading and analyzing every single thing. It may be true that this game isn't for me (at this level of play) but I'll be here giving to i die or we win. I finish what I start

[Bonatogether]

After i expressed suspicion on Eden, bona posted a novel that i refuse to read in full against Eden. Koala also posts Eden evidence. My thought is, are these legit? Or are these posts trying to sway me to a MK direction

Other townies weigh in. If you're scum, you're not allowed to reply. Or else I'll do to you whatever Eden threatened to do to me (still unclear).

Thanks!
Brian

hi bishkek

you should read my post

also if you suspect eden how can he be a miskill

[dargorygel]

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[BK3K]

After i expressed suspicion on Eden, bona posted a novel that i refuse to read in full against Eden. Koala also posts Eden evidence. My thought is, are these legit? Or are these posts trying to sway me to a MK direction

Other townies weigh in. If you're scum, you're not allowed to reply. Or else I'll do to you whatever Eden threatened to do to me (still unclear).

Thanks!
Brian

hi bishkek

you should read my post

also if you suspect eden how can he be a miskill

Because I'm the real droopy eyed and child afterall. My suspicions are thought out 10% as well as every other player. A scum could easily see me as someone who can be manipulated easily. That's why anyone who agrees with me too fast raises some of my alarm bells. Not saying you're wrong, but saying i don't trust anyone who confirms my thoughts automatically. Maybe I'll read your thing eventually. But dude, it's so fucking long

[Chaqa]

@Eden: re:the factual error

I didn't even notice that, because I just assumed you were right and I did in fact end up voting for Damo, and then saw your correction and thought "hah, guess it's not just me"

It seemed NAI so I didn't really consider it more than that

[Bonatogether]

<THE LONGEST POST IN HISTORY OF HUMNAKIND>

TL;DR for you nerds

eden is scum for changing reads every phase change, for openly communicating with ghug in the thread, for making big cases and then failing to stick to his guns, and for being unable to keep a consistent read on me.

also i like fischy

I have 2 thoughts:

(1) What ... the ... hell? ... Bona went from spamming a myriad posts to posting The Mother of All Wallposts

(2) I will be honest and confess that I did not read the entire War & Peace – The Sequel. I feel slightly bad, because I have literally read every single post in this game so far – including the "koalakoalakoala" level spam – from Bona ... But I just couldn't bring myself to do this one. So I only read the bit highlighted in Red and the TLDR.

But the bit highlighted in red is admittedly a bit Suspicious! It's like the same sentiment I have against Chaqa's jokes to be Mafia – though admittedly this is much less blatant and brazen compared to Chaqa's case.

2) you can lowkey skim it and just read the parts i wrote. later parts are more important but the beginning part is also important too but not as important

the red thing let me look into eden's soul and see his scum pm

[BK3K]

After i expressed suspicion on Eden, bona posted a novel that i refuse to read in full against Eden. Koala also posts Eden evidence. My thought is, are these legit? Or are these posts trying to sway me to a MK direction

Other townies weigh in. If you're scum, you're not allowed to reply. Or else I'll do to you whatever Eden threatened to do to me (still unclear).

Thanks!
Brian

hi bishkek

you should read my post

also if you suspect eden how can he be a miskill

Because I'm the real droopy eyed and child afterall. My suspicions are thought out 10% as well as every other player. A scum could easily see me as someone who can be manipulated easily. That's why anyone who agrees with me too fast raises some of my alarm bells. Not saying you're wrong, but saying i don't trust anyone who confirms my thoughts automatically. Maybe I'll read your thing eventually. But dude, it's so fucking long

Droopy eyed armless child

[Bonatogether]

I did a VCA for D1 since that's the cool thing to do. Since this is my first VCA, I just focused on the actions of one-known-Mafia ghug – who luckily is an experienced Mafia so we can probably assume was very intentional about his votes:

01:54 Pre dam➙Bon 4 Bon 4 Cha 3 The 1 lfi
01:20 ghu Bon➙dam 4 Cha 3 Bon 3 The 2 dam
...
00:50 Pre Bon➙Cha 4 Cha 3 The 2 dam 2 Bon
00:49 ghu dam➙Bon 4 Cha 3 Bon 3 The 1 lfi
...
00:50 Pre Bon➙Cha 4 Cha 3 The 2 dam 2 Bon
00:21 ghu Bon➙dam 5 Bon 3 The 3 dam 2 Cha
00:20 Bun Bon➙dam 4 Bon 4 dam 3 The 2 Cha
00:13 ghu dam➙Bun 4 Bon 3 The 3 dam 2 Cha
...
00:06 dam Bon➙Bun 5 Bun 3 Bon 3 dam 2 The
00:06 ghu Bun➙Bon 4 Bon 4 Bun 3 dam 2 The
...
00:01 lfi Cha➙Bun 8 Bun 4 Bon 3 The
00:01 ghu Bon➙Bun 9 Bun 3 The 3 Bon


Two things that jumped out at me both have to do with President Eden:

(1) ghu really likes to change the vote right after Pre changes the vote earlier in the day – is this normal or Suspicious?

(2) since a lot of folks have been talking about ghug pushing Bona – it was Pre vote that put Bona at 6 votes first, and then ghu decided to back off Bona and go to Damo instead – not sure what to make of this?

(1) I'm still pretty sure ghug was trying to save somebody D1. I can't work out another rationale for him openly shopping for wagons seemingly at random otherwise. I guess there's nothing that says he couldn't have just been fucking with all of us while we were never considering any scum, but we had ~30% of the player base as viable wagons near EOD1 if memory serves (Bunny, Boat, Bona, Chaqa, damo), which as we all know from very fuzzy math done D1 is some high % to have a scum in it.
Before waking up from a nap (I am so fucked for tomorrow) I would have said Chaqa, but now I'm starting to wonder about Bona, because if you told me scum decided they want me as a miskill and Bona is scum, then scum Bona dropping a massive wall he knows no one will read with questionable reasons for suspecting me is exactly what I would have thought would happen.

I also kind of feel personally targeted in that ghug totally would just chaotically shift votes in reaction to me just to fuck with me. But I don't know what actual mafia motivation that would serve, it would just be malicious trolling. So I'm not really married to that idea. But it's possible!

(2) That's an interesting observation. I need to review Bona/Boat/BK still (and I guess you, to be thorough, but I don't suspect you).

i've read every post in every game i've played, as long as i was alive, with the exception of skimming a couple boat man wallposts

also wtf is the underlined bolded bit? i get ignored all the time even when i'm right, except for when it's like a god-tier case. everyone who's posted has said they aren't reading it. totally clownery

[Bonatogether]

I went back and looked for the part highlighted in red, started reading up, became convinced that Bona decided he needs to scumread me for whatever reason and then stopped reading because he's obviously forcing every post I've ever made to fit his narrative.

You should stop reading it too

you've been scum for every post you've made

wowee!

[President Eden]

it's hard for me to full rebut these points if you're not going to read my post lmfao

You're too late for that, I've already drawn you as the Soyjak and me as the Chad!

1) changing your primary scumread every phase is scummy, especially when you make big pushes at night that you switch up during the day, oftentimes without a lot of in-thread explanation.

I don't believe that actually happened. I was really dead set on damo and ghug being mafia since somewhere in D2 and had cased both N1. I preferred damo (incorrectly, noted) but my hope was that we would vote out either ghug then damo or damo then ghug and catch 2 scum.
The annoying part about this is that I'm 100% sure that had I stayed absolutely on rails and insisted on voting damo first always and somehow mind controlled all my teammates to do my bidding so we voted out damo first, remaining "consistent" as you seem to think townies "should" be, you would be here, making the same push on me, arguing instead that I preferred the townie over the mafia. There's no actual way to win in your presentation of things, which is why I'm not overly interested in reading your massive tome.

2) mfw he hasn't read the post. what can i even say

bodied

3) there were times that you swung around, and with things like your bozo case, you just don't mention it again, but you make a new chaqa case after leaving your old one. also, this in in my post that you didn't read, but how did i go from 'near locktown' to 'null' in the space of about 24 hours? now you're shading me? what's the deal with that?

I ctrl-f'd bozo in your post and if that's what you call a case, I can see why you think I've been casing people a bunch.
I don't even know if I care to address it now since the entire premise was that damo was scum and not killing scum there is terrible. bozo just comes off looking awesome for his skepticism about the wagon which, aside from what I posted about his interactions with ghug N1 and him voting ghug D2, makes him very townie.
you'd have known if it were an actual case because I'd have pushed it. I'm now being accused of not pushing cases I never wrote lol.

4) for starters, i'm the same person with the same role. the times i've been inactive were because i was with visiting family (which i stated in the thread) or because i was in school. i focused on your read on me because it's the topic i'm most qualified to speak about, as i know my own role, but i'm sure that the pattern holds for other people as well.

Why would the pattern hold for other people when you are the only you in here? Why would I treat you identically to others when you behave in your own way lol. No one has dipped from the thread for 18 hours except Koala which was its own episode. And evaluating whether coasting for a lot of the time is townie or scummy or null depends on the individual player's preferences, as is evaluating whether their massive terrible wallbombs are townie or scummy or null. This isn't even coherent

[Bonatogether]

You're on the B-train now?

You three + Koala are the only ones who aren't effective clears who I haven't reread since damo flipped

calling bs that you've reread shit

[Bonatogether]

After i expressed suspicion on Eden, bona posted a novel that i refuse to read in full against Eden. Koala also posts Eden evidence. My thought is, are these legit? Or are these posts trying to sway me to a MK direction

Other townies weigh in. If you're scum, you're not allowed to reply. Or else I'll do to you whatever Eden threatened to do to me (still unclear).

Thanks!
Brian

hi bishkek

you should read my post

also if you suspect eden how can he be a miskill

Because I'm the real droopy eyed and child afterall. My suspicions are thought out 10% as well as every other player. A scum could easily see me as someone who can be manipulated easily. That's why anyone who agrees with me too fast raises some of my alarm bells. Not saying you're wrong, but saying i don't trust anyone who confirms my thoughts automatically. Maybe I'll read your thing eventually. But dude, it's so fucking long

i didn't post for like much of d3

it averages out

[President Eden]

@Eden: re:the factual error

I didn't even notice that, because I just assumed you were right and I did in fact end up voting for Damo, and then saw your correction and thought "hah, guess it's not just me"

It seemed NAI so I didn't really consider it more than that

stop being relatable i'm trying to kill you fuck

[BK3K]

@bona, the times I've tried to read your post, and three times i said fuck this. And then i scrolled and saw i got like 1/3 of the way through it. Oof

[President Eden]

You're on the B-train now?

You three + Koala are the only ones who aren't effective clears who I haven't reread since damo flipped

calling bs that you've reread shit

maybe if you weren't too busy going "how do i spin this" to my entire fucking iso through D3 you'd have noticed that I did in fact do a review of several active players...