MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

@brain please explain. Why did you reveal?

[bozotheclown]

I am busy right now, but please no more hammers until I have the chance to post.

I will be back soon, but for now, I have a question I would like everyone to answer:

Why do you think ghug voted for BunnyGo 13 minutes before D1 EOD?

[bozotheclown]

Again, please do not hammer D3 until I get back.

[brainbomb]

@brain please explain. Why did you reveal?

Might as well.

[damo666]

@brain please explain. Why did you reveal?

Might as well.

But I've explained it was a bad idea. Did you just not think?

[BK3K]

@brain please explain. Why did you reveal?

Might as well.

But I've explained it was a bad idea. Did you just not think?

Don't you guys play a lot? I feel like over time, it should be clear if it's generally good or not. And if it's not clear, then player discretion is fine

[KoalaAttack]

Again, please do not hammer D3 until I get back.

Okies

[KoalaAttack]

Again, please do not hammer D3 until I get back.

Okies

Please respond to this when you do, in return :) Also rdrivera!

Great question. Well – if – you flip town:
-1- <snip>

-2- brainbomb is one exception, since they are a mechanically Confirmed Town as I understood it so far. But what brainbomb just said about Damo not even naming any Mafia is simply untrue, so if brainbomb wasn't a Confirmed Town I would be screaming Suspicious right now. I do not feel like I can made the call on the mechanical Clear vs the points you just made against it Damo – so I would likely defer to the other veteran and mechanics-aware folks on the Townie end of my Suspect List (Bozo, Rdr) to tell me if I should reconsider brainbomb's Confirmed Town status and whether Damo's case for scenario (b) holds any water. Even though I'd be running risk being influenced by a "deep wolf" as brainbomb called it... but it's the best of bad options, I have to trust someone who is more experienced of what's typical in these games.

-3- <snip>
-4- <snip>

[damo666]

I am busy right now, but please no more hammers until I have the chance to post.

I will be back soon, but for now, I have a question I would like everyone to answer:

Why do you think ghug voted for BunnyGo 13 minutes before D1 EOD?

It looks like an attempt to save me but I know that's not so I guess he was looking to frame me. But why not move to Bona or TFB? Perhaps thwy are both scum.

So Bona brain TFB? That would make brain a busser and all the other scum on me.

If brain badtown then Bona TFB fish?

[damo666]

Might as well.

But I've explained it was a bad idea. Did you just not think?

Don't you guys play a lot? I feel like over time, it should be clear if it's generally good or not. And if it's not clear, then player discretion is fine

It's unusual for RB to always result in a message. Usually there is only a message if the RB actually blocked something. So this situation is a bit different.

Perhaps brain just didn't think and made a mistake or perhaps he thought it was a good scum move not realising it could easily be sussed.

[damo666]

brain struggling now methinks

[KoalaAttack]

Why do you think ghug voted for BunnyGo 13 minutes before D1 EOD?

I think 13 minutes is enough time for this to be a considered / intentional move as opposed to the last-minute panic / reactive one, assuming ghug was planning to stick around through-out the Day End, which I believe ghug did.

I have a real hard time assigning motivations to folks' actions in D1 voting. So Mafia knows who the other Mafia are but still can't talk to each other during D1, right? I mean the simplest explanation would be to look at who else was winning or trending at the same time, and assume ghug was trying to save them. But I hear a lot of folks talking about ghug bussing other Mafia, so maybe he wouldn't care?

Given what you all know about BunnyGo's style of play – which of the other veteran players on here would be most likely to get caught by Bunny?

[damo666]

Why do you think ghug voted for BunnyGo 13 minutes before D1 EOD?

I think 13 minutes is enough time for this to be a considered / intentional move as opposed to the last-minute panic / reactive one, assuming ghug was planning to stick around through-out the Day End, which I believe ghug did.

I have a real hard time assigning motivations to folks' actions in D1 voting. So Mafia knows who the other Mafia are but still can't talk to each other during D1, right? I mean the simplest explanation would be to look at who else was winning or trending at the same time, and assume ghug was trying to save them. But I hear a lot of folks talking about ghug bussing other Mafia, so maybe he wouldn't care?

Given what you all know about BunnyGo's style of play – which of the other veteran players on here would be most likely to get caught by Bunny?

What do you mean 'caught by Bunny'?

[President Eden]

yea I'll maybe think about what damo's saying should he flip town lol

this just looks like a last grasp at something to avoid being hammered and drag the day along, increasing town apathy.

for those following along at home, there is zero (0) reason not to claim that you were saved - it's the same as being roleblocked, the mafia knows who they shot and knows they didn't die, so all you're doing is giving the rest of town information that is not hidden to the mafia.

and while it's true that brain has made some batshit claims plays in the past - I remember one game a couple years ago where he got some late heat as mafia and claimed cop with an inno scan on the real cop, which got his teammate killed, and then got him hammered the next day - this one seems fundamentally sound to me if he's town. and if he's mafia the truth will come out.

FYI, Doc should claim at EON3 if and only if they did not actually save brain, and claim Doc + their N2 save. otherwise stay hidden

[KoalaAttack]

Given what you all know about BunnyGo's style of play – which of the other veteran players on here would be most likely to get caught by Bunny?

What do you mean 'caught by Bunny'?

I mean Bunny is a veteran player, right? Presumably the Mafia team has at least one other veteran player beyond ghug, right? Statistically speaking.

A lot of folks are focused on "why switch" part of "switching to Bunny", I am trying to ask "why Bunny, specifically". There were other wagons as folks have mentioned. And sure, if all the other wagons were Mafia then it makes sense by elimination. But assuming Mafia as the disorganized team had their hand in Bunny-killing, I still think it's work asking "why Bunny", no?

[KoalaAttack]

Given what you all know about BunnyGo's style of play – which of the other veteran players on here would be most likely to get caught by Bunny?

What do you mean 'caught by Bunny'?

I mean Bunny is a veteran player, right? Presumably the Mafia team has at least one other veteran player beyond ghug, right? Statistically speaking.

A lot of folks are focused on "why switch" part of "switching to Bunny", I am trying to ask "why Bunny, specifically". There were other wagons as folks have mentioned. And sure, if all the other wagons were Mafia then it makes sense by elimination. But assuming Mafia as the disorganized team had their hand in Bunny-killing, I still think it's work asking "why Bunny", no?

I think I'm finally learning how to analyze votes...

00:13 ghu dam➙Bun 4 Bon 3 The 3 dam 2 Cha

this, right? So realistic choices were: Bona, TFB, Damo, Chaqa

This makes me want to flip you more Damo, and then depending on if you are Town or Mafia really think about the other 3 names above

[damo666]

yea I'll maybe think about what damo's saying should he flip town lol

this just looks like a last grasp at something to avoid being hammered and drag the day along, increasing town apathy.

for those following along at home, there is zero (0) reason not to claim that you were saved - it's the same as being roleblocked, the mafia knows who they shot and knows they didn't die, so all you're doing is giving the rest of town information that is not hidden to the mafia.

and while it's true that brain has made some batshit claims plays in the past - I remember one game a couple years ago where he got some late heat as mafia and claimed cop with an inno scan on the real cop, which got his teammate killed, and then got him hammered the next day - this one seems fundamentally sound to me if he's town. and if he's mafia the truth will come out.

FYI, Doc should claim at EON3 if and only if they did not actually save brain, and claim Doc + their N2 save. otherwise stay hidden

agreed but other than giving town the info (which they can't do anything with) what does it gain?

[President Eden]

yea I'll maybe think about what damo's saying should he flip town lol

this just looks like a last grasp at something to avoid being hammered and drag the day along, increasing town apathy.

for those following along at home, there is zero (0) reason not to claim that you were saved - it's the same as being roleblocked, the mafia knows who they shot and knows they didn't die, so all you're doing is giving the rest of town information that is not hidden to the mafia.

and while it's true that brain has made some batshit claims plays in the past - I remember one game a couple years ago where he got some late heat as mafia and claimed cop with an inno scan on the real cop, which got his teammate killed, and then got him hammered the next day - this one seems fundamentally sound to me if he's town. and if he's mafia the truth will come out.

FYI, Doc should claim at EON3 if and only if they did not actually save brain, and claim Doc + their N2 save. otherwise stay hidden

agreed but other than giving town the info (which they can't do anything with) what does it gain?

it confirms brain town short of a counterclaim from Doc......

and it loses nothing

wtf lol

[bozotheclown]

Given what you all know about BunnyGo's style of play – which of the other veteran players on here would be most likely to get caught by Bunny?

What do you mean 'caught by Bunny'?

I mean Bunny is a veteran player, right? Presumably the Mafia team has at least one other veteran player beyond ghug, right? Statistically speaking.

A lot of folks are focused on "why switch" part of "switching to Bunny", I am trying to ask "why Bunny, specifically". There were other wagons as folks have mentioned. And sure, if all the other wagons were Mafia then it makes sense by elimination. But assuming Mafia as the disorganized team had their hand in Bunny-killing, I still think it's work asking "why Bunny", no?

I agree, why BunnyGo in particular is an important part of the question.

[bozotheclown]

Why would mafia roleblock when it creates a clear?

Obviously RBing the NK is standard mafia play there.