MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[y2kjbk]

When has voting for ND ever made him active?

[Tom Bombadil]

But what if scum had one or both cannons?

What about it? Not something we could control and they likely would remain silent and hold the cannon anyway.

I’m inclined to think both cannon shooters are town now though.

[Tom Bombadil]

When has voting for ND ever made him active?

Voting people almost always makes them more active. This applies to everyone. If you don’t become more active to save yourself you are doing a shitty job as town or scum

[y2kjbk]

The fact that scum could have the cannons is exactly why, if town, you would want the cannons to be accountable to town, not just directed by town. But you seemed unfazed in your analysis that the cannons needed to go off before scum could potentially use them to expedite a win later on.

[Vecna]

Vecna, perhaps we can talk. I feel like nobody is responding to me.

Do you have any thoughts on tom bomb, ghug, squiggs, moscow?

Moscow felt slightly off. Id need to reread the others, but I think I can safely say for now theres not nearly enough there yet to get a good judgement.

After last game I mightve gotten a solid grasp on how squigs plays, so I think im gonna have a good judgement later on.

Vecna, you're either very perceptive, or you knew something we didn't. What felt off about Moscow?

funnily enough i dont even remember anymore. Or maybe im just saying this to watch who'll jump on my case. Im guessing brainbomb picked up on the same things.

not sure how far ill get on the catchup here. might just sheep brain for today.

[y2kjbk]

And I think you realized your mistake and changed your opinion quickly.

[Tom Bombadil]

The fact that scum could have the cannons is exactly why, if town, you would want the cannons to be accountable to town, not just directed by town. But you seemed unfazed in your analysis that the cannons needed to go off before scum could potentially use them to expedite a win later on.

I don’t exactly follow this. What do you mean accountable to town?

[y2kjbk]

Say we go to N2 as you suggest initially. How would that have worked out? We argue who to lynch and beg the cannons to shoot? Ask them to claim before shooting? When both cannon holders could be dead? By delaying, you’re not helping town to direct the cannons with more info, you’re increasing the chance that town loses the cannons before using them.

[y2kjbk]

Assuming town started with them in the first place, which it appears was the case.

[Tom Bombadil]

Oh yes. That is partially why I didn’t advocate strongly afterwards as that was a downside (as was the thief as I didn’t realize the gun didn’t go off immediately at night which makes it worse)

But yes - basically I thought town directed shots would potentially take a gun out of scums hands if they had one. Plus give info like a lynch would.

[brainbomb]

Tom whys your scope of the game so minimalist

[worcej]

Tom had gone silent, and I don’t like it. He claimed everyone was accusing him of something he didn’t do and when the posts were dredged up he’s gone lurky.

He’s on the short list of people I’d vote.

Vecna has gone silent
Ghug has gone silent
ND has gone silent

Snowy has gone silent

Add Squigs to this list too. Though Vecna posted, it was shit at the same level of damo, so I can't be too offended.

The fact that scum could have the cannons is exactly why, if town, you would want the cannons to be accountable to town, not just directed by town. But you seemed unfazed in your analysis that the cannons needed to go off before scum could potentially use them to expedite a win later on.

This and your continued analysis has you as one of my top town reads. I think it was wise both shots were used D1 and mostly at the town's discretion.

I'm high key offended you people think I'd even claim a cannon as scum.

You shouldn't be offended. The fact you sat on it for so long didn't really help your case to immediately town clear you. I give you a town-lean, but definitely not a clear.

[ghug]

@brain, I've been working pretty constantly since the game started.

@Durga, did you find chaqa's townslip simply uncompelling and shoot him to get rid of a lurker, or find him scummy and shoot him for being scummy?

Xorxes, care for a squiggles vote? ##vote squigs

[brainbomb]

Squiggs didnt you list tom as scum n1?

[ND]

Honestly, I haven't had much time for this, but I am really trying to get into it today. If all the 1st week of school paperwork i have cooperates. Anyway, Tom is pretty scummy has been from the start. My wager is on him. ##VOTE TOM

[y2kjbk]

And yet we have no info from the MF flip according to you? Sure we have no vote info on who wanted to kill MF due to the scan, but you were so quick to dismiss his flip as fully uninformative, and I don’t get that. And you haven’t made a peep about Durga.

My point is that, back to my initial accusation, you seemed to somewhat take for granted that town had the cannons with your logic, and your thoughts don’t consider how we would ultimately handle the situation if a cannon was in scum hands, in which case I highly doubt they would have claimed and gone along with the plan. We needed to push the matter as town, not delay for more info.

[brainbomb]

##vote squiggs

[Tom Bombadil]

Tom whys your scope of the game so minimalist

It isn't. Its D1 - I can only do so much.

What about me is scummy ND? Elaborate.

Regarding you y2k - its probably true that I didn't fully think through the cannon situation considering the setup (which changed at the last minute). Just telling you what I thought at the time.

I haven't made a peep about Durga, but she is pretty solid townlean considering the claimed having a cannon, and that turned out to be true. Unlikely for scum to play it in that way.

I maintain that the Moscow flip was uninformative - besides clearing brainy

[brainbomb]

Squiggs pushes have felt the thinnest and most spurrious so far. His worschestire one is bad

[brainbomb]

Tom whys your scope of the game so minimalist

It isn't. Its D1 - I can only do so much.

What about me is scummy ND? Elaborate.

Regarding you y2k - its probably true that I didn't fully think through the cannon situation considering the setup (which changed at the last minute). Just telling you what I thought at the time.

I haven't made a peep about Durga, but she is pretty solid townlean considering the claimed having a cannon, and that turned out to be true. Unlikely for scum to play it in that way.

I maintain that the Moscow flip was uninformative - besides clearing brainy

So damo wasnt cleared tom?